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Politics/Ukraine Discussion Thread #5

Started by Jessica Smith11 · · 👁 9 views · 26 replies

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Participants Jessica Smith11redheron30Jack Cook7rustydrifter10Charles Fox10mistyjackal14wiredangler5goldenowl73rowdytiger13
Jack Cook7 Jack Cook7 Regular
376 messages
joined Aug 2017
#21 ·
Jack Cook7 said:Look, I've had about enough of this, but let me be clear—my questions from the jump have been crystal clear.

So, like, if some government or culture—or even just a specific group of people—is being all "benevolent" toward junkies or the whole drug production scene, whether they’re doing it officially or just low-key pushing it... am I allowed to call that culture a drug culture? Or maybe go a step further and label them drug-friendly?

Can I actually say it on this forum? Is it okay to just drop the truth bomb that Western culture is basically one big junkie mess? And honestly, whatever the hell "Western culture" even means these days...

So, am I allowed to say that everyone representing that culture is basically just a representative of drug addiction?

wiredangler5 said:I can't see any text here! You just sent me a blue color tag. What are we talking about? Give me something to work with!
Nah, I don't know, man. It’s super hard to pin that down exactly without falling into those massive generalizations. Just because someone is calling the shots on some policy doesn't mean everyone in that circle is cut from the same cloth or even agrees with what's happening. People aren't monoliths, you know?

I wasn't even questioning that! Honestly, I'm totally on board with what you said.

I'm just asking: what are the actual moderation criteria here?

Why is it that on this Ukraine thread, despite like a thousand—literally a thousand—people slapping "war criminal" labels on stuff that has absolutely zero to do with Mexicans or anything involving the war back home, only two posts actually get punished? I mean, we’re seeing people throw around extreme rhetoric about combat units being ready to go, yet those guys get off scot-free while a couple of negative flags barely even register? Makes no sense.

So, basically:

So, I was just sitting here thinking—and don't get mad at me for rambling—but why is there such a massive double standard on this board? Like, if someone goes off and calls a soldier or a supporter of whatever the current administration is doing a "Mexican," it just slides right past the mods, right? No big deal. But the second you drop words like cannibal, pedophile, or even addict? Boom. Instant ban. Even calling someone a Nazi gets you the hammer immediately. It feels totally lopsided. Why is one kind of insult totally fair game while everything else is strictly off-limits? Just curious what everyone thinks!

Look, everyone in the whole damn unit already knows there's thousands of pieces of independent evidence backing up that last point. It's not even news at this point!

I just want to know what the actual rules are here. Like, if someone goes around labeling a person as a follower of some radical extremist ideology, does the mod team handle that the exact same way they’d handle someone calling them a cannibal? Just curious about the criteria.
Charles Fox10 Charles Fox10 Regular
352 messages
joined Mar 2009
#22 ·
The previous threads have been locked, so we’re starting this sixth installment. If you spot any inconsistencies in how this or future topics are moderated, feel free to speak up.
Jack Cook7 Jack Cook7 Regular
376 messages
joined Aug 2017
#23 ·
Well, fine then. Honestly, I was actually looking forward to finally clearing some of this stuff up.

You could look at your decision as just dodging the issue and playing into a specific way of thinking.

I wouldn't put it like that, though. To me, it looks more like a super calculated move to avoid unnecessary drama over tiny disagreements about things that don't even matter in the grand scheme of things.

That being said, I still think it would’ve been the right call to give some kind of answer.
goldenowl73 goldenowl73 Active Member
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joined Dec 2005
#24 ·
I mean, sure, if you want to debate military formations or even compare different paramilitary groups in other parts of the world, I get why people do that. But trying to drag pedophilia into the whole Ukraine situation? That’s just completely unhinged. And don't even get me started on those cannibalism rumors... it's totally insane.
It feels like the next logical step in this trend where they try to paint Americans as nothing more than bottom-feeders, which we've already seen starting to happen lately.

Honestly, I’ve found myself getting pretty turned off by the entire Ukraine topic lately, mostly because it feels like the same small group of people is constantly shouting these ridiculous things over and over again...
Jack Cook7 Jack Cook7 Regular
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joined Aug 2017
#25 ·
goldenowl73 said:comparing military formations or even militias in other countries might still make sense, but bringing up pedophilia in the context of Ukraine is just insane. Even cannibalism...
the next step is obviously going to be equating Americans with thugs, which seems to be where this is heading anyway.

Personally, I’m totally sick of the whole Ukraine topic just because the same group of people keeps blowing this kind of stuff out of proportion...

I feel the exact same way, for the same reasons. It's always the same crowd spouting the same nonsense. Facts, fact-checking, new evidence, better ways to verify things—zero credit given. But hey, just because something grosses me out and I see how people manipulate those feelings doesn't mean I'm gonna quit, nor does it mean I'm gonna try to rig the whole system myself.

The whole Ukraine thing has been getting on my nerves for a long time now, mostly because of the people who demonize anyone with a different opinion.

But why would you walk away from a job just because it's grossing you out? You just do the work and get it done.
rowdytiger13 rowdytiger13 Regular
378 messages
joined Oct 2018
#26 ·
May's post might be problematic, but it flies under the radar since they aren't throwing out labels or making direct accusations; they're just asking questions.
Meanwhile, you’ve come out swinging by labeling one entire side as pedophiles, cannibals, and Nazis. You aren't inviting us to compare rhetoric or questioning if it exists—you're flat-out stating it as fact.
That's why I rated your post as "heavier."
By the way, looking at that whole argument, both sides are equally clueless.
Since this is a new thread, we have stricter criteria now, which I'm on board with.
wiredangler5 wiredangler5 Active Member
54 messages
joined Mar 2013
#27 ·
Jack Cook7 said:I wasn't questioning that. I actually agree with the sentiment.

I'm just asking: what are the moderation criteria?

In the thread about Ukraine, despite literally a thousand instances where people label things with "Chetnik" rhetoric that has nothing to do with Mexicans or the war itself, why are only two posts being flagged—those expressing extreme views regarding combat unit readiness?

So:

Why isn't someone punished for calling a soldier or a supporter of current government policy a "Chetnik," yet they are strictly and immediately penalized for calling someone a cannibal, a pedophile, or a drug addict? Even a Nazi.

And that's even though there's already plenty of evidence out there regarding those other claims for certain groups.

I just want to understand the rules. If someone labels another person a follower of Chetnik ideology, do the moderators treat that the same as labeling them a follower of a cannibalistic ideology?

There shouldn't be any debate over whether different criteria exist or what is allowed. Generally speaking, none of what you mentioned should pass. But I'd say this looks more like an unintentional oversight rather than double standards. Either way, it shouldn't be tolerated. There's no question there.

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