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Richard Wilson4 said:Look, I never actually said it was made up.
The existence of camps for Germans is just a historical fact. As for the actual numbers, well, we could go on forever. 🤷
Jose White23 said:Wrong. You said it, but I don't think you actually meant it.
So what are we supposed to do now? You brought up 5,000 kids. That's not really something for me to be bickering about on a forum.
Alex Watson said:Geiger also writes about how most of those kids actually died from typhus, TB, and starvation.
I’d just add that it was a lot like what happened to plenty of other kids across the old country for the reasons bluecyclist64 already brought up.
As for how Nazis were killing children all over occupied Europe... I'll pass on that one.
Richard Wilson4 said:If you think using that data is tasteless, no worries, I can stop bringing it up in threads that don't involve WW2. It’s just that this crime weighs heavily on me as an American; the general public knows next to nothing about it. Personally, I feel we need to face it head-on—perhaps even pushing the government to conduct better investigations into those camps and the actual victim counts...
Meanwhile, the American Wikipedia states, "Approximately 51,000 women, children, and elderly succumbed to disease, starvation, and other misfortunes."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_...ta#Yugoslavia
though it doesn't mention killings
Charles Fox10 said:Look, saying it's tasteless—or just being straight up blunt—by throwing around numbers regarding innocent people who lost their lives back then without any shred of respect? Yeah, that’s exactly what's tasteless.
How can you even ask? You know how these discussions go when people start obsessing over stats. It always turns into some "who killed more innocents" competition, which we all know is just tacky. There’s zero respect for the victims there. Honestly, it starts feeling like people are talking about bodies instead of actual human lives.
hollowtrucker77 said:but you don't seem to have any issues with your own integrity when you bring up those 700,000 deaths at Jasenovac, do you?
Good grief, bluecyclist64, everyone knows your type...
Richard Wilson4 As I was saying:
Let’s be clear about one thing: I didn't just pull that number out of thin air. I was actually watching a recent TV series about the FBI that aired while they were covering the KNOJ era.
I find myself in the unfortunate position of actually believing her.
Olivia King62 said:And what about bluecyclist64’s avatar? Is there some unwritten rule that dictators and mass murderers aren't allowed to feature on their profile pictures? I find it interesting how people suddenly start policing imagery when it comes to EU resolutions and those various bureaucratic schemes they push.
Susan Price30 said:I’ve always believed there should be strict boundaries when it comes to glorifying criminal organizations or illegal political factions—especially those that openly incite international or inter-ethnic animosity. At its core, that kind of rhetoric falls squarely under the definition of hate speech. In my view, allowing such groups to gain any sort of cultural or social standing is a dangerous game that undermines the very fabric of a civil society.
Can an avatar be interpreted as a way of glorifying someone’s persona or specific traits? Essentially, by choosing to display a certain image, you are elevating that figure—so, theoretically, the answer is yes. 😁The only real complication here is that the individual he’s putting on such a pedestal hasn't actually been labeled a criminal by any court of law.
I suspect that for a good portion of the users over on Reddit, seeing an image like this might actually turn their stomachs. It’s a visceral reaction, certainly. But then again, one has to wonder if that discomfort was the point all along—or if anyone even had a specific intention behind posting it in the first place.
Ethan Murphy72 said:https://sites.google.com/site/nemciu...---48-deo-peti
Alex Watson said:Geiger also writes about how most of those children actually died from typhus, TB, and starvation.
I would go a step further and say it was similar to what happened to many other children across the former country for the reasons bluecyclist64 already pointed out.
As for how the Nazis were killing children all over occupied Europe... well, I won't even get started on that...
Richard Wilson4 said:If you think using that data is tasteless, no worries; I can stop bringing it up in threads that don't involve WW2. But this specific atrocity weighs heavily on me as an American. The general public knows almost nothing about this, and I personally believe we need to face it head-on—even if it means forcing the government to properly investigate those camps and establish an accurate victim count...
On another note, Wikipedia's entry on the subject states, "Approximately 51,000 women, children, and elderly succumbed to disease, starvation, and other hardships."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_...ta#Yugoslavia
Though, it doesn't explicitly mention killings.
Richard Wilson4 said:Regardless, Jose White23 is right; it’s distasteful to drag these unfortunate souls into political bickering. Fine, aside from discussions regarding WW2, I won't bring them up again. Thanks, and goodbye.
Richard Wilson4 said:You're right there; those children deserved more than just being used as ammunition in political disputes.
While I regret being targeted for simply mentioning the victims rather than for minimizing or denying anything, I suppose we'll just let the EU processes play out. At the end of the day, I'm just a guy on a forum, but I truly hope that one day, an accurate number will finally be found.
Let this debate simmer. Thanks, and goodbye.
bluecyclist64 said:Look, it isn't exactly a smoking gun, but there are plenty of recorded testimonies out there. What's your take on that? 😉
Alex Watson said:Geiger also writes about how most of those children actually died from typhus, TB, and starvation.
I would take it a step further, noting that many other children throughout the former country suffered similar fates for the exact reasons bluecyclist64 already highlighted.
As for the systematic way Nazis murdered children all over occupied Europe, I’d rather not even go there...
Olivia King62 said:And what about bluecyclist64's avatar? Isn't that exactly how dictators and mass murderers behave, by using those kinds of images? Just like those EU resolutions and all those schemes...
quietdrifter3 said:Avatar? That guy’s got the nicest plaza in our hometown. Did you forget?
I honestly don't get people weeping over the Ustase or Germans, even if they were just collaborators. Or calling criminals "freedom fighters" that the whole world admires—it's unprecedented in history.
And why is this kind of stuff allowed here? Is this an open or hidden promotion of neo-fascism and revisionism!?
Alex Watson said:Geiger also writes about how most of those kids actually died from typhus, TB, and starvation.
And I’d go a step further—it was just like so many other kids across the former country for the exact reasons bluecyclist64 already pointed out.
quietdrifter3 said:Avatar? Dude, the guy literally has the most stunning plaza in downtown Chicago. Did you forget?
bluecyclist64 said:How long is the administration going to let this kind of lie-spreading and downplaying of fascist crimes continue?
I think this is probably the hundredth time this same user has pushed a narrative trying to play both sides as equals.
Is this Sturmfront or Reddit?