Bad Boys - Part IV

quietcrane22 said:Listen, Jesse Campbell11, yesterday wasn't legendary at all; it was just pathetic. It’s miserable that we have to flee our own stadium because of chanting and shouting, fearing people might get hurt. If the cops had actually done what they planned yesterday, we could be talking about how a group called BBB used to exist. I never thought I'd say this, but I think that's where we're headed since there are fewer of us every day... Respect to the older guys who show up to every game, and respect to those few keeping us together and standing tall. But if the authorities don't back off or if things end in chaos, BBB might just become a memory...

I understand the frustration and anger, but we've written ourselves off before and still managed to survive. Just realize that about 30 people were turned away at the gate yesterday, around 10 were detained, and 50 didn't even make it to the ticket booth—which is ironic considering there were only 1,000 people in the stadium 🙂 . We are fewer in number because a systematic plan to wipe out the BBB is working perfectly, while the crowds on social media and the news celebrate. We don't have the support of the legal system, politicians, the media, or the masses who only care about what color cleats a player wears. By entering this fight, we walked straight into a trap that has put us in total blockade as fans. We aren't allowed at home games, we aren't allowed at European matches, and now we can't even travel for away games... The struggle to bring Real Madrid back ended long ago; now we are fighting for basic human rights that seem to vanish the moment you step into this stadium's camp. Ask any local fan how long it takes them to enter their own stadium, or see how parents with kids are traumatized just because you offended some local criminal element. So many people have been lost that it's sickening, and it hurts to realize we've put ourselves in the worst possible position, losing even our tiny bit of room to maneuver. Watching our 15 and 16-year-olds tremble yesterday while 100 enforcers and 50 guards just waited for the order to sweep us away was heartbreaking. I feel for these kids who want to support their team but are in the wrong place at the absolute worst time. When we pass through Miami or Cleveland and see that passion from women, seniors, children, and ultras spilling onto their stands, I weep for our youth who end up watching games from behind fences or from rooftops... And when I see them stubbornly returning to that hollowed-out ruin, I know it's true. I know they are dying for ideals that 40-year-old ultras for Roma, Lazio, or Legia don't have and never will. I think we were just milliseconds away from the group being extinguished yesterday, and you might find that pathetic or miserable, whatever your opinion is. I'm not attacking you; I'm just stating how things are right now.

If we aren't quite ready to organize a massive protest, then I’d say it’s definitely high time we coordinate a huge group outing for the match against Iceland in NYC. We should be standing shoulder to shoulder before, during, and after the game—just brothers looking out for one another. Now, it's really up to the leadership to actually sit down at the table and get a plan together before it's too late. But hey, what do I know? I'm just talking. 😉

What kind of "dissolution" are we even talking about here? The core group can't get into the stadium regardless. Just because we aren't physically inside the stands doesn't mean we've vanished. If anything, the matches we attend serve as a testament to our defiance. We shouldn't be discussing the end of this group based on stadium presence alone, because right now, we aren't just cheering for a club; we are fighting for one. Joshua Moore31, you start by mentioning the ideals these guys hold dear, then claim we were a millisecond away from being disbanded... what are you even talking about? If those ideals are as unshakable as you claim, they don't bend for bans, fines, or the dirty tactics used by these people. Our ideal remains a pure Real Madrid and the Bad Boys. As long as that stays true, they will never succeed in shutting us down. This isn't empty rhetoric; it is simply the reality of the situation. If I need to elaborate, I will.

Seriously, everyone, can we just stop fighting and actually get stuff done? I’m getting pretty tired of reading all these "we should do this" versus "well, we shouldn't do that because there aren't enough people" debates... it's exhausting!

The dogs bark, but the convoy keeps moving... and honestly, it's been going on like this for years.

Just shut down the forums and the websites already, set a date, and pick a time...

stormybison9 said:can we please just stop all this fighting and actually get things done? honestly, I'm getting pretty tired of reading about how something *should* happen, only to be told it can't because there aren't enough people involved...

the dogs are barking while the convoys just keep rolling right by, and man, it’s been going on like this for years now

just shut down the forums and the websites, set a specific date and time...

you coming?

Honestly, you guys are being exhausting. We really need to wake up and realize that if we keep pushing down this path—being this stubbornly radical and uncompromising—we are absolutely finished. It’s going to all fall apart. To be fair, what happened was pretty pathetic and definitely didn't reflect true fan culture, but let's be real: everyone else already knows that too.

Eric Phillips52 said:Honestly, screw this protest idea, just seriously rethink things because remember that last time we tried to go up against the mob? That was a total disaster. We had maybe 200 people showing up, while there were hundreds of them out there—Armada, Demons, Cohort, Ultras... basically nobody over 50 people showed up on our side, yet Jesse Campbell is out here talking about 10,000 people filling the square, haha, yeah right, as if we were handing out free whiskey, lines of coke, and hookers to everyone.

So you think having 150 people show up at the train station isn't a fiasco???? Why even bother going to games then?? I am so sick of all this "smart" talk and constant nonsense..... why the hell are you guys posting this crap anyway when nobody is actually going to ask Eric Phillips52, Robert Cooper60, or some random guy on an American forum whether there’s going to be a protest or not....... if it happens, it happens...... and those numbers don't mean squat to us specifically....... besides, on the day of the game against Iceland, everything is set up perfectly and we all know who is going to show up, and it'll be more than any of you think....... you guys are laughing at Jesse Campbell like idiots, but he’ll probably show up to that protest with more people than we even have in the stands....... you want to know why?? Because he brings good vibes..... and anyone who isn't standing with us missed their chance and that's what landed us where we are today....... though I'll admit, singing that song might be a bit much for this crowd....... but anyway, keep talking your trash..... I'll see you out on the streets.

Look, if you want to know what’s actually going down in NYC at and around the stadium on match days, I should probably give you a heads-up. It’s getting intense. At this point, ownership isn't even our biggest headache; the real issue is the local police. They can arrest you, beat you up, and throw you into interrogation for absolutely no reason at all. Honestly, how am I supposed to keep talking about "fighting for human dignity" when the reality on the ground feels less like a sporting event and more like being treated like a common prisoner in some high-security facility.

Raymond King47 said:So 150 people at the local stadium isn't a failure? Why even show up to games then? Honestly, I'm sick of all this smart-ass talk and constant nonsense... why bother posting this crap anyway? It's not like anyone's going to ask Eric Phillips52, Robert Cooper60, or some random guy on an American forum if they're planning a protest or not... if it happens, it happens. And numbers don't mean anything to us. Even during the game against Iceland, everything was perfectly organized, and we all know those who need to show up will be there—probably more than any of you think. You can laugh at Jesse Campbell like idiots, but he'll probably bring more people to that protest by himself than we have in the stands. You want to know why? Because of the vibe. Anyone who isn't with us missed their chance, and that’s what landed us here. That song might be a bit too heavy to sing, but go ahead, keep talking nonsense. See you on the streets.

The only shot we have at making a real impact is during the Iceland game, because that's when a solid group could actually join the cause. If we pick any other timing, it'll just play right into the hands of the owners. Forget the protest if it's not during the Iceland match; it needs to be massive. A few thousand people won't cut it—we need at least 10,000 to send a message. We could pull that off if we hit it during the home game against Iceland in Chicago. If we miss this window, I doubt we'll gather much of a crowd. Timing has to be smart. It feels like the perfect moment. Let's be real, it's obvious what BBB is trying to do: they want to kill the fan movement in Chicago. Once they're done with us, they'll come for Torcida, Armada, and everyone else. Don't kid yourselves; we're in deep water now and there's no time to waste. Even if a protest doesn't change everything, it matters that we stand together to tell this mafia they can't just wipe us out without a fight. We need to attack from every angle—legal, media, and street—rather than just hoping for a peaceful resolution. Based on how things are going, it's going to be a grind, but that's where you see who's actually willing to step up.🙂

George Alvarez13 said:Look, man—if you actually knew what goes down in NYC around the stadium on game days, you wouldn't be talking this trash. Dealing with the owner is the least of our worries right now. The cops can just snatch you up, beat you down, and toss you in holding for no reason at all. We're talking about fighting for basic human dignity here—what’s happening lately is basically no different than how prisoners of war are treated.

😕

There's no point in even arguing anymore. 🙂

Jesse Campbell said:I agree that it wouldn't hurt if the fans were part of something bigger. I think Istanbul is a better example than Mexico. But fans have always been the ones driving things here in America. Why shouldn't it be the same now?

I honestly think if we stood together, we could pull in 10 million. The unrest is just going to keep building. Maybe not within the BBB—we’re pretty much used to being squeezed by the powers that be—but I’m worried the hardest hit will be Torcida, Armada, and the other groups...

Let's just wait and see.

Fans and veterans are really the only two groups left in this country capable of actually making a move. Everything else is just a depressing mess. People are chronically depressed, broke, and they couldn't care less about some "hooligans" because the media paints them as public enemy number one, which basically dictates what everyone thinks. Hardly anyone even cares about football anymore, so the stadiums are empty except for the hardcore fan groups—who are basically the only masochists left following this circus. And as for people fighting for their rights? There are fewer and fewer of them every day, aside from those professional protesters who do it for a paycheck.
We could easily rally 10 million people, but that's easy. That's just a crowd that's easy to control. What we need is something much bigger...

Raymond King47
I never brought up protests. Maybe just beans. 🙂

Take this post from a few pages back; most people don't get it at all. ☕

My best man called me right after the game. I couldn't make it today. We’re forty years old, we show up for every home game, and we travel for away games too.He always brings his kid, a first grader. He actually ended up behind bars with the boy because of some trouble involving a local gang. They told him straight up: if the kid shouts against the boss one more time, he’s going to jail right alongside his father. I’m asking people for advice. We aren't giving up, but they’d damn well arrest a child. Where is the ACLU or any child advocate? Jesse Campbell, you reached out during the match. I have no idea what to do. The kid is in shock.I’d probably be hauled in too if I were there, working as a school processor—one arrest and I lose my job instantly. I’m not complaining, but I have a family to think about. I just don't want to stop fighting.

quietcrane22 said:Listen, Jesse Campbell, yesterday wasn't legendary. It was pathetic. We shouldn't be running from our own stadium just because of some chanting and yelling, fearing people will get hurt. If the cops had actually moved in like they planned yesterday, we’d be talking about how the BBB used to exist. I never thought I'd say this, but that might be our future since our numbers are shrinking every single day. Massive respect to the old guard showing up at every game, and to the few guys keeping us together and standing their ground. But if the brass doesn't step up or ends up in a riot, the BBB is history...

Total nonsense. That last game against Dragovoljac proved the crew isn't folding. There were plenty of heads in the East Stand. Even with just the core group, you'll always pull in another 600 or 700, and once the dust settles, even more show up. Look, I get why some people don't want to walk into a stadium like it's Auschwitz. If I can wrap my head around that at 41, I don't get why you younger guys are acting so hyper.

Basically, every time they realize they aren't winning, they ramp up the pressure, but there's a limit. They're running out of room. Eventually, all they'll have left is shooting at people. In my eyes, we haven't even started the real fight against the crackdown alongside the other groups yet. This massive move to dodge arrests is a strategic play. We need to realize we're operating like guerrillas. And while we play guerrilla in the stands and on the streets, we have to run the propaganda and legal battles in parallel.

Easy does it... Everything will settle eventually. It's obvious you guys didn't live through the 90s when the group was functioning even more underground, even though the heat was lower back then. Back then, hitting the road with just 100 people felt like a huge win.

Jacob Newman74 said:Either way, hitting them with a protest right alongside the national team game is the smarter play. 🙂

Protesting in Iceland makes sense. But we could just rally the crowd on a different day instead. It’s all about timing.

We could even run simultaneous protests in every major city across the US.

Morgan Scott82 said:Jesse Campbell was always an optimist, even if his visions were a bit out there😁

Good thing you got banned. You were just spreading gloom, and honestly, I'd have kicked you myself if I still had admin rights.

Back in the day during wartime, they used to shoot defeatists on sight, but here on this forum, those losers are running the show. 🙂

Man, I swear, after the game I feel like some veteran coming home from the front lines only to realize everyone was just chilling at Starbucks while I was out there fighting the damn war—nobody gives a single crap about the struggle. These were the people who actually showed up for the team, stayed loyal through everything, and now I’m supposed to be the crazy one because I’m willing to risk my family's peace over a guy like Mamić. Honestly, lying in bed tonight, I find myself wondering if any of this is even worth it—but then I think about those kids struggling out there in the stands all by themselves. Some of my own students are among them, and seeing that look of pure relief and joy on their faces when they spot me in the crowd... man, it hits different. It gives me this surge of pride and makes it impossible to ever back down.

...Still fighting all the battles myself
Hands in my pockets, just laughing at it all...
...Dreams are lies, but they're all I have left here
The ruler of this world? Maybe one day...

Who cares—if they kick us out of the stands, we’ll take it to the streets. They can try to shut us down if they want

MAMIĆ ☕

neonraven112 said:Honestly, after the game, I feel like a veteran returning from the front lines only to find everyone else sipping lattes at a Starbucks, completely indifferent to the struggle. These were the people who stood by the team, who showed up every single week, and now they’re telling me I’m losing my mind because I’m willing to risk my family's stability over someone like Mamić. I lie in bed at night sometimes wondering if any of this is truly worth it, but then I think about those kids struggling on their own in the stands. Some of my own students are among them. When I see the look of pure relief and joy on their faces just seeing me there with them, it sparks this sense of pride—a quiet realization that we simply cannot surrender.

🙏 🙏 🙏

"If you're going through hell, keep going..."

Timothy Allen60 said:If they kick us out of the stands, we'll just take it to the streets. I couldn't care less what they think.
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Come on, let's not talk nonsense here...

Jesse Campbell said:Total nonsense. The last match against the Volunteers proved this crew doesn't know how to quit. There was a massive crowd over on the East Side. Even with just the core group, you’ll always pull in another 600 or 700 people, and once the dust settles, the numbers actually grow. Look, I get it—some people don't want to show up to the stadium like they're walking into Auschwitz. If I can wrap my head around that at 41, I don't understand why you younger guys are so hyper-charged about it.

Every time they realize they haven't achieved anything, they step on the gas and ramp up the repression, but everything has its breaking point. They’re running out of room to maneuver. At this rate, their only option left is to start shooting people. In my view, we haven't even begun the real fight against this crackdown alongside the other groups. This mass avoidance of arrests is a huge tactical move. We have to realize we're operating as guerrillas. And while we maintain that guerrilla mindset at the stadium and on the streets, we simultaneously have to wage a propaganda war and, of course, a legal one.

Slow down... Everything will fall into place. It's obvious you didn't live through the 90s, back when the group operated even more underground despite the repression being lighter; back then, sending 100 people to an away game was considered a massive success.

hahahah, and I'll throw in 30 too