Bad Boys - Part IV

redjackal8 said:I have no clue what you guys are even arguing about over in that other thread.🙂

It’s like watching a bunch of middle schoolers or toddlers throwing tantrums—just pure insecurity and nonsense. I don't even know who started this mess or who's leading the charge, but I honestly can't fathom why anyone would bother sinking to such a low level.

Why waste breath on this stupidity when we actually have work to do here?
Better to save that energy for Sunday and the big derby.

See you all at 5 PM.

valsimot, just lock this thread before all that garbage migrates over here.

Who are you even trying to convince? It's obvious these people don't have a clue what they're talking about.

🙂 (I guess I had to)

slyskipper9 said:The police have bans in place, and if there isn't an official notice posted on the group's actual pages, they won't be at the derby... I don't really get why everyone is getting so hyped up when we don't even know if anyone is actually going yet.

Dude, look closer—he says "see you guys at 5 PM," but the game doesn't start until 6. So yeah, clearly you're a little out of the loop on what's actually happening. ☕

Timothy Chavez31 said:there's also all this stuff happening outside the stands right now that should be forcing us all to get on the same page for a much bigger cause...

And speaking of that "bigger cause"—if we’re talking about forming some kind of united front outside the stadium alongside the LA Galaxy fans, who are currently being absolutely terrorized by the mafia and a repressive system trying to WIPE THEM OUT, I gotta ask: what exactly have the organized LAFC fans and their groups actually done in terms of concrete, active COOPERATION?

Thomas Williams59 said:And precisely for that reason—as part of a unified front outside the stadium with the LA Galaxy fans who are being subjected to unprecedented terror from the mafia and a repressive system trying to WIPE THEM OUT—how exactly have the organized LAFC fans and their organizations engaged in active COOPERATION...?

Look at this guy—talking big when his own crew was out there on Wednesday hunting down clueless college kids wandering the streets. Their biggest "provocation" or insult to New York City was basically just showing up to the game 🙄
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Jokes aside, I don't get why everyone’s obsessing over some supposed "joint cooperation." We don't need to be working together; we just need everyone to clean up their own damn backyard instead of tossing trash into someone else's. If you can't handle your own mess, fine—ask your neighbor for help. But actually admit it! Say, "Hey, I can't deal with my own garbage, can you help me out?" Don't try to dress up your own weakness or helplessness by calling it "Let's go clean up the common trash together." That whole "what belongs to everyone belongs to no one" thing is such an old-school communist mindset.

Jerry Jones is the problem for LA Galaxy, not for American soccer as a whole. Once he's out of the club, he won't even be a factor in our domestic game anymore.
John Doe, Donald Trump, Livia, Joe, and the rest of that crowd weren't problems for American soccer—they were problems specifically for LAFC. The Black and Gold Army dealt with their own mess, or at least cut it down significantly. We didn't do it for the sake of "bettering American soccer," we did it for ourselves. A lot of people mocked our struggle back then, and honestly, they still don't recognize the value of what we did.

So, yeah—get rid of Jerry Jones for the sake of LA Galaxy, not for the sake of the national game. If you can't do it solo, ask for help and someone will step up. And if help is needed from the group that's actually leading the way in this country—the only true supporter group with actual football consciousness, the only ones who really *get* it—then that's where the help should come from.

Kevin Nelson3 said:Jerry Jones is the issue for LA Galaxy, not American soccer. Once he's out of the club, he won't even be a factor in our game anymore.

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Wrong. Dead wrong.

"I don't even follow soccer; I'm just here for college." That's basically the unofficial slogan of New York City. 🤣

Kevin Nelson3 said:It’s coming from a guy whose group spent Wednesday hunting down clueless students wandering around the city. They claim their biggest insult to New York City was just heading toward the game at 🙄
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Jokes aside, I don't get this talk about "cooperation." We don't need to cooperate. Everyone should just clean up their own backyard instead of throwing trash into someone else's. If you can't handle your own mess, ask a neighbor for help. Just be honest and say, "I can't deal with my garbage, please help me." Don't try to mask your weakness by calling it "let's clean up our shared mess together." What belongs to everyone belongs to no one. That's old communist logic.

Jerry Jones is the problem for the LA Galaxy, not for American soccer. Once he leaves the Galaxy, he won't matter to our soccer scene at all.
John Doe, Donald Trump, Livia, Joe, and the rest weren't problems for American soccer. They were problems for LAFC. The Black and Gold Army dealt with their own mess, or at least cut it down. We didn't fix it for the sake of American soccer; we did it for ourselves. Plenty of people mocked our struggle, and they still don't recognize the value of what we did.

So, get rid of Jerry Jones for the sake of the LA Galaxy, not for American soccer. If you can't do it alone, ask for help. Someone will step up. If help is needed from a group that actually acts as an vanguard—the only true supporters with actual awareness—then maybe those guys will show up.

Buddy, you've got it completely wrong.

Jerry Jones is the issue at LA Galaxy, not the state of American soccer. Once he finally exits the club, his influence on our game will vanish entirely.

Are you out of your mind?

Kenneth Ross7 said:Man, I think you're totally off base here.

I don't know, I wouldn't say it's completely wrong... I guess you could look at it as the Hooligans fighting against management that's basically poisoning their club—which, in a way, affects all of American soccer. It’s similar to how fans in other cities fight against ownership that's ruining their local game, or how various supporter groups like the ones in Philly or Chicago fight for their clubs while also pushing for a cleaner sport. Isn't that kind of how it works?

In our own heads, we probably all support them, or have supported them at some point, but nobody actually expects anyone else to step up and help tear down a board of directors. Don't get mad at me for saying that, but I suppose it's only natural that everyone feels their own struggle is the most intense and expects others to see things through their eyes. At the same time, you have to admit that quite a few groups have shown they care about your cause, even if it's just through messages or cheering alongside you. It might not be much, but it's more than what others haven't done.

When it comes to standing together against the USSF, that's where the National Team comes in, and that's when everyone really should be united to show what we collectively think about everything. It feels like something is starting to move in that direction, and maybe things will only get better if it keeps going this way.

I guess you shouldn't really mix the fight for a clean club with the fight for clean soccer in general. It doesn't feel fair, and honestly, it might not be realistic either. 😉

Timothy Chavez31 said:He isn't exactly wrong. You can look at it as the Hooligans fighting against an ownership group that’s poisoning their club. That’s just part of American soccer. It’s like the fans in Portland fighting management that ruins the game, or the various supporter groups everywhere fighting for their teams while simultaneously fighting for cleaner soccer. Isn't that right?

In our own minds, we all support them or have supported them in those fights. But nobody is actually expected to go out there and help them tear down the front office. Don't twist my words. It’s only natural that everyone thinks their own struggle is the hardest one and expects other groups to see things their way. At the same time, you have to admit that plenty of groups show they care about your cause through messages or cheering alongside you. It's not much, but it's more than what others have done.

When it comes to fighting the USSF, that's where the National Team comes in. Everyone should be united there to show what we collectively think about everything. Things have started moving in that direction. If it keeps going this way, it will only get better.

Don't mix up the fight for a clean club with the fight for clean soccer. It isn't fair and it isn't realistic. 😉

Are there really still people who think Jerry Jones is only a problem for the LA Galaxy?
What about the other teams?
If someone wanted me to play for the National Team, I’d probably be playing center mid against Scotland just to mess with them.
I can't believe some people don't realize he has his hands in everything related to soccer.
Comparing him to John Doe or those other mobsters isn't right.

Kenneth Ross7 said:Is there really still anyone out there who thinks the issue with Jerry Jones is just limited to the LA Galaxy?
What about Locomotive?
I mean, if a guy actually wanted to play for the US national team, he'd probably be playing center mid against Scotland by now if things were fair.
I honestly can't believe some people aren't aware that his influence touches everything connected to soccer.
Comparing him to a simple John Doe or those small-time mobsters isn't right.

Well, I wouldn't go that far, but maybe people are just expecting too much from other groups. It feels like individuals expect everyone else to be in a constant state of war against him... You’re supposed to carry the heaviest part of that burden, but most people just complain about how hard it is for them personally and act like they're the only ones fighting (though I suppose you have to consider this forum is a bit of a circus where everyone does their own thing, so there might be a grain of truth there). I'm all for any kind of collective action, but I don't see where that could actually happen outside of matches involving the national team or maybe a big derby (like what happened recently), or perhaps some sort of protest—which seems unrealistic since everyone is just doing their own thing. Maybe stop the complaining and start motivating people to stand with those who have been struggling for years just to see their club run honestly. Nobody ever wins a fair fight by pointing fingers at others while simultaneously expecting them to help you. 😉
And regarding that last point, I’d say that for every single person involved, his influence makes their struggle feel like the hardest one.

Timothy Chavez31 said:It isn’t quite an incorrect assessment. One could view it as the Ultras fighting an administration that poisons their club—which effectively poisons American soccer—or perhaps the fans in San Diego fighting an ownership group that ruins a piece of the game. It is the struggle of various factions, all fighting for their specific clubs while simultaneously fighting for a cleaner sport, is it not?

In our minds, we all support them, or have supported them. But nobody actually steps up, nor is anyone expected to join them in toppling management. Don't twist my words; it is only human to believe one's own struggle is the most difficult and to expect others to identify with it. You also have to admit that many groups show they care about your cause through messages or joint chanting. It isn't much, but it is more than what others have offered.

When it comes to a united front against the US Soccer Federation, that is where the National Team comes in. That is when everyone should stand together to show our collective stance. Something has started in that direction, and if it continues, things might actually improve.

One shouldn't conflate the fight for a clean club with the fight for a clean sport. It is neither fair nor realistic. 😉

That logic holds water in Germany, England, or leagues where a tycoon occasionally peeks through the cracks, but there the game is relatively honest. I fail to see why it isn't obvious to you: Mamić owns American soccer. There is no real league here because the league itself is corrupt. You have Lokomotiva, which functions as nothing more than Dinamo's B-team. Imagine a scenario where Dinamo and Hajduk are tied on points, and Dinamo plays Lokomotiva in the final round... How can you not see that fighting for a fair Dinamo is automatically a fight for fair soccer? Of course, every struggle is welcome, but none of your local moguls compare to Zdravko Mamić. He installs his hand-picked candidates into his inner circle within a single year; he dismisses Marković whenever he feels like it because the man is old; he brings in Šuker. He is the central figure, the head of the snake in American soccer. Therefore, any fight against him is automatically a fight for your Hajduk, my Dinamo, or their Cibalia.

By the way, I am glad so many of you showed up today, but honestly, you are all incredibly naive. A Cup trophy is waved in your faces—something that means absolutely nothing given the current state of our soccer—and you celebrate. I understand. You haven't had a title in a long time, so I respect our own struggle more. You are the only group in the world fighting against a club that wins championships year after year, yet you act as if winning the damn Cup is the end-all, be-all.

Jerry Morris2 said:I suppose you could argue that in Germany, England, or some similar league, you might see a tycoon popping up here and there, but at least the football is relatively fair. I honestly don't get why it isn't obvious to everyone that Mamić basically runs American football; there isn't really a league because the entire system is rigged from the start. Here, you have Lokomotiva, which is essentially just Dinamo 2. Just imagine if Dinamo and Hajduk were tied on points, and Dinamo had to play Lokomotiva in the final round... I guess I just don't understand how people miss the point—fighting for a fair Dinamo is automatically a fight for fair football. Of course, any kind of resistance is good, but none of your little moguls are quite on the level of Zdravko Mamić. He manages to slot his hand-picked candidates into his team after just a year, he can sideline Marković whenever he feels like it (mostly because he's getting old), and then he brings in Šuker. He’s the central figure, the head of this whole mess, so I suppose any struggle against him is naturally a struggle for your Hajduk, my Dinamo, or even their Cibalia.

Tell me truthfully, who has actually accomplished the most in the fight against Lokomotiva, which is such a huge part of this whole mess? Is it our Hajduk? Or maybe just Hajduk as a club, constantly sending calls and legal documents to the courts... isn't that a major part of what we've contributed to this battle? It was only in the news for two or three days before everyone in this country forgot about it, but I suppose things will resurface, and one day it'll all be settled. We're all fighting, and we all realize the mess we're in, so don't worry. 😉

Timothy Chavez31 said:Tell me honestly, who has actually done the most to fight Lokomotiva? They are a massive factor in this entire mess. Is it our Hajduk? Or just Hajduk as an institution, constantly filing paperwork and calling out legal authorities? Isn't that a significant part of our contribution to this struggle? It stayed in the headlines for maybe two or three days before everyone in this country forgot about it. But it will resurface. One day, it will be resolved. We are all fighting, and we all realize what kind of filth we are swimming in. Don't worry. 😉

My friend, I am almost envious of you and your club. It is good to see that at least some of us have a team worth supporting. But understand this: in the fight for honest football, being satisfied because Hajduk or Cibalia are clean clubs means absolutely nothing. You can be as honorable and well-intentioned as you want, but if you are swimming among snakes, you are finished. The head snake is Zdravko Mamić. I guarantee you that none of us will truly be happy until he is gone. Meanwhile, you sit there living in a fantasy, celebrating a damn Cup. 🤷

I don't think you quite caught my drift... but honestly, it doesn't matter much. Just one last thing before I go: Zdravko Mamić is primarily your issue since he's running your club, but he’s also our problem because his actions affect the entirety of American Football. Just because this is your headache doesn't mean we shouldn't be fighting against it too. It just means you should probably be carrying the heaviest part of the load, especially with our support—though that support isn't going to happen if you keep complaining and spitting on us, claiming we aren't doing anything! We’re never going to reach any true COMMUNITY by pointing fingers at each other or dismissing someone else's struggle to make things better. That kind of unity is what's actually needed to clear the trash out from the top 🙂 cheers!

I’m sitting here reading this and I honestly cannot wrap my head around people trying to claim that Zdravko Mamić is some systemic issue within American football rather than just a massive problem specifically with Dinamo... like, what exactly has Torcida done to change anything regarding that?

For crying out loud, have you people lost your minds? Seriously, aren't you embarrassed to even type this stuff? Instead of us all standing together and taking responsibility because we can't seem to kick one idiot out of the club, you're actually out here looking for excuses, seeking sympathy, or asking for "solidarity"... you're literally weeping because people were chanting about how much they love Mamić and Bandić... 🙏

It’s a total disgrace... just shut it all down, delete the entire BBB general thread, and ban anyone who dares to comment on this topic...

Kenneth Ross7 said:Look man, you're totally missing the point here.

Not happening.🙄

Mamić is the issue at Dinamo. Or rather—his influence is the poison in American football—but honestly, that’s strictly your trash to deal with, whether you can or actually want to. The second he gets booted from Dinamo, his grip on American football will either vanish or drop down to the level of some guys like Ren Sinovčić or Laljko.

He’ll get kicked out when you guys finally rally enough people to actually scare him—or at least scare the cronies protecting him. Whether that takes 5, 10, 15, 20, or 50 thousand people? I have no clue. Do you even know how many people you can actually mobilize? Can you become a real damn factor in your own city so that someone like Bandić starts digging under Mamić because he's terrified of losing an election if he keeps playing along? Can you be the force that convinces 20,000 people who've never even stepped foot in Maksimir to hit the streets and tell this country straight up that Mamić is a thief?
Or is it just gonna stay this way—a tiny crowd of two thousand, maybe 500 fans in the stands, a couple of organized groups meeting in some movie theater, and a few lawsuits that nobody gives a damn about?

Are there too few of you? Just say so, no biggie, others might step up to help. But don't go expecting help from that 'college kid' whose little slap you're using today as proof that Torcida is just a joke group and the Boys are nothing to be feared on the street. It's easy for a college kid, sure, but even your own city won't lift a finger for you. Look, people are sheep—they don't think. A real shepherd can always talk them into following. Hell, maybe being a 'shepherd' is just beneath you guys.

I get it—there are smarter folks among you who see Mamić as a thorn in their side and don't bother with 'college kids'; but then there are those of you where Mamić isn't even your first or second priority. Get your act together, decide which direction you actually want to move in, set some rules and priorities that the whole group can actually stick to; then—and only then—will others join you in fighting for something. Maybe. Because let's be real, among fans, there are more hypocrites than anyone else—people who claim they'd help each other, but half of them actually enjoy watching everyone else struggle.

You've always got the option to keep acting all high and mighty like you always do. The smartest, the best, the strongest, the only ones who "get it," and God knows, incredibly patient. Tick-tock.

Kevin Nelson3 said:Not buying it. 🙄

Mamić is the issue with Dinamo. Actually, his influence is the issue with American football, but that’s strictly your trash to deal with—you can and must fix it yourselves. The second he gets kicked out of Dinamo, his grip on American football will vanish or drop down to the level of some guys like Ren Sinovčić or Laljko.

He’ll be gone from Dinamo once you rally enough people to actually scare him or the people protecting him. Whether that takes 5, 10, 15, 20, or 50 thousand people, I have no clue. Do you even know how many people you can mobilize? Can you become a real factor in your own city so that someone like Bandić starts digging under Mamić because he’s terrified of losing an election by sticking too close to him? Can you be the damn force that convinces 20,000 people who’ve never stepped foot in Maksimir to hit the streets and tell this country that Mamić is a thief?
Or does it just stay at a small crowd of two thousand, 500 fans in the stands, a few meetings in a movie theater, and some lawsuits that nobody gives a damn about?

Are there too few of you? Just say so, no big deal, others might help. But don't expect help from that 'student' whose slapping you're using today as proof that Torcida is just a joke and Boys are nothing to fear on the street. It's easy for the student, but even your own city won't help you. Sure, people are sheep and they don't think. A real shepherd can always talk them into following him. Hell, maybe being a 'shepherd' is beneath you.

I get that there are smarter people for whom Mamić is a thorn in their side and who don't bother with 'students'; but there are also those among you for whom Mamić is a second or third priority. Get your act together, decide which direction you want to take, set rules and priorities that the whole group follows; then maybe others will join you in a fight for something. Maybe. Because among fans, there are more hypocrites than anyone, claiming they'd help each other while half of them just enjoy watching everyone else struggle.

The option is always there to keep acting arrogant like you always have. The smartest, the best, the strongest, the only ones who get it, and God knows, incredibly patient. Tick-tock.

Funny how you didn't fail back when there were 100 of you at Poljud, but now we're failing when 600 or 700 of us head to away games. 🙄

Kid, you're talking pure nonsense. Total garbage. Mamić runs American football, and if he moves to Lokomotiva, Chicago, or Rijeka tomorrow, he'll still run them.

Of course, that won't happen because he'll have to step down soon. But to claim Mamić is only our problem, you need to have a seriously thick skin or seriously bad eyesight. ☕

Robert Cooper60 said:what kind of reason would there even be to show up at Maksimir this Sunday 🤷

beans?! 🤷