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Health / Nose job subforum - Report on moderator Trevor

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Jesse Sanchez90 Jesse Sanchez90 Active MemberOP
66 messages
joined Feb 2013
#1 ·
I hope I’m in the right place here; if not, could an admin please move this thread to the correct section?

Anyway, I am writing to protest against a certain moderator. Today, over in the Health 2 x subforum on the Nose job thread, he used a derogatory slur. To make matters worse, after I called him out on it, he actually penalized me with 35 points for allegedly "trolling"???

Is this kind of behavior from a moderator actually allowed?!?

It’s not even the first time, either. Just a few months ago, he PUBLICLY attacked me simply because I unintentionally used a word while messaging another user that wasn't even remotely close to the profanity he was throwing around.

I am asking the administration to weigh in on this, because this kind of arrogant, arbitrary power needs to stop. Being a moderator means managing a discussion, not acting like—"I am your God and I can do whatever I want."

To reiterate: my response was directed at a perfectly well-constructed post written in plain black text.
Robert Hall7 Robert Hall7 Active Member
79 messages
joined Jan 2009
#2 ·
The moderation situation here is becoming a total mess. Whenever I needed advice, a second opinion, or confirmation on a diagnosis or treatment plan, I turned to the doctors on Health 2 x. They were never condescending—not once. If nothing else, they gave me a shoulder to cry on, and for that, I’m genuinely grateful.

These people help out and offer guidance, giving up their own free time to answer our questions—even when those questions are about as bright as a broken lightbulb. Nobody pays them for this. And what's the reward? Getting dragged through the mud by doctors on social media? It’s pathetic. What are they supposed to do instead? Wipe our butts and change our diapers? Honestly, some of the advice being tossed around is so bad you'd be better off staying silent. It's obvious someone's lost their mind if they think a typo is a crisis, but then again, one misspelled word can lead to total chaos. And then comes the classic forum response: "Where did you even hear that?" and suddenly everything goes to hell. From the big boss you treat like God down to the doctors responsible for the PDFs, it’s all a disaster. I just got docked 35 points. Lucky me. Give me a break.
Jesse Sanchez90 Jesse Sanchez90 Active MemberOP
66 messages
joined Feb 2013
#3 ·
Listen, I’m also a doctor here: what have you got to say to that?

Poor little moderator, acting all big and tough... Does he really think he can get away with anything?

Do you have any idea how much more active I would be on Reddit if I had actually written those reviews?

Look, if you're a moderator, then do your actual job instead of twisting the facts just to suit your own narrative.
mellowraven22 mellowraven22 Active Member
105 messages
joined Jan 2007
#4 ·
Betty Edwards22 said:I really hope I'm posting this in the right spot, but if not, can some admin please just move this thread to the correct section?

Anyway, I'm here to protest against this one moderator. He was over on the Nose job thread in the Health 2 x subforum today and used a swear word. Then, after I called him out on it, he went ahead and docked me 35 points for supposedly "trolling"???

He dropped an "f-bomb" or something and didn't even insult anyone? Oh myyyyy. Honestly, getting a penalty for trolling is totally deserved in that case.

Is this kind of behavior from a moderator actually allowed?!?

The stuff you linked above? Yeah, it's allowed. This site isn't a PBS broadcast. People curse here, they use sarcasm and irony, and most moderators are just regular people too.

Not to mention, a few months ago he PUBLICLY attacked me just because I accidentally used the wrong word while messaging another user—a word that wasn't even close to the profanity he was using.

A link? Again, the swearing doesn't even matter in this situation.
Jesse Sanchez90 Jesse Sanchez90 Active MemberOP
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joined Feb 2013
#5 ·
This post was made on September 16, 2011, at 6:18 PM without any prior private messages, within the Nose job thread. It’s regarding the moment I unintentionally told another user not to whine about being labeled with something that isn't an insult, but rather just a label.
I can't seem to link it through my phone, or maybe I just don't know how.

He went ahead and told everyone that I was being rude and arrogant because of that—it's funny how people can draw such massive conclusions from a single word. So, I guess that's NOT considered trolling the thread?
And then there's the claim that I'm constantly hounding the moderators (which happened when I was trying to explain to Maria Fisher46 during her very first post that wasn't the case; I was just giving brief replies. I don't exactly have the time to write essays as long as hers, which might come off as haughty, but text alone doesn't always capture the full range of emotion.)

Given everything that's been said, I'll leave you with this: what is permitted for Jupiter is not permitted for a bull.
As always...
Nicholas Myers Nicholas Myers Active Member
163 messages
joined Jan 2012
#6 ·
Betty Edwards22 said:And then there’s how I drive the moderators crazy. I actually found myself trying to explain things to Maria Fisher46 after her very first post. I told her it isn't personal; I just prefer being brief. I don't exactly have the luxury of time to write essays as long as hers. It might come off as rude, but written text is a blunt instrument—it just doesn't capture the full spectrum of emotion.

To whom it may concern,

Since you touched on our private messages earlier, I’ll address that point here on the main thread as well.

First, a minor point—not exactly critical, but worth mentioning just so you can see how the moderator tools actually function.

I issued a yellow card to a user on a thread regarding a nose job. Every time a moderator hands out a card—whether it's yellow or red—an automated message is sent to the flagged user. When a yellow card is assigned, the message follows this format:

You’ve been flagged on Reddit.

Reason: (The reason provided by the moderator when issuing the warning)
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Original post:
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Consider this a formal reminder regarding our community guidelines. It is expected that you fully grasp and adhere to these rules moving forward.

All The Best,
Reddit


The author of a Message like that isn't actually the moderator issuing the ban. Even if it looks like a moderator sent the note to the user being penalized, that's just how it appears.

That’s exactly how it went down. You saw that automated message, typed out your disagreement with the cardboard, and hit send. Once I received your message, I replied.

I know how to send a private Message when I feel someone needs a nudge regarding their posting style, but that wasn't my intention here. This isn't about feedback. I am simply responding to the specific Message you sent me first.

That’s exactly what I wanted to clear up. It seems like this is the second time now that people have jumped to the conclusion—or made the claim—that I, as a moderator, reached out to you via a private Message first.

It doesn't really matter. The core issue here is the attempt to justify that penalty, which has devolved into an endless back-and-forth through private messages—regardless of who initiated the contact or who reached out first.

By the way, my inbox is always open to anyone.

When you have an issue with a warning, the first step is always to reach out to a moderator via private Message—which is exactly what you did. However, if you still find the response unsatisfactory and believe the moderation or the warning itself was unfair, the next step isn't to start a public thread on the site. Instead, the proper channel for an appeal is through the official PDF for Messages, Appeals, and Comments.

I wanted to clear up any potential confusion regarding moderation and private messages that seem to have surfaced. I'm drawing this conclusion from your recent post—specifically where you mentioned my username—and from the discussion over on the "Nose job" thread, where people started questioning who reached out to whom and why. This is simply how I interpret and apply the rules when I moderate.

I’d also like to address the part of your post where you seem to imply—based on my reading of that quoted sentence—that my reasoning for issuing the warning was either because the responses were too brief and thus came off as rude, or because they lacked sufficient empathy for the original poster. To be clear, I am referring to the yellow card I issued on this specific thread, not the red card handed out by Scott Allen10.

No, that wasn't why you received the warning.

I mentioned this to you before, and I'll say it again: no one is expected to be overly polite, and a lack of friendliness isn't grounds for a penalty. How someone chooses to respond—and the level of courtesy they employ—is entirely up to their own discretion. You can be blunt, provide nothing but raw medical facts, and no one will hold it against you.

Your yellow card was issued because of how you handled your interlocutor.

Let me reiterate: based on your medical expertise, you are undoubtedly more knowledgeable than any other user here. I have already stated how impressed I am by the technical aspects of your posts, how much I personally could learn from them, and how incredibly useful those insights are to everyone reading this forum. However, having superior knowledge does not grant permission to violate the community rules.

Best regards,
Maria Fisher46
Scott Allen10 Scott Allen10 Regular
315 messages
joined Jun 2005
#7 ·
Ty and EL basically said everything I was going to say in my own statement. Look, man, you clearly know your stuff, but there’s really no need to just "lie in wait" on Reddit waiting for a chance to "get back at me" over something you think is the same thing... It's pretty obvious to you too that trying to force this situation or "manufacture" some kind of "scandal" isn't doing you any favors—it's actually doing the opposite. So, I’m honestly just inviting you to keep contributing to our side of the conversation with your insights instead.
Brandon Lopez6 Brandon Lopez6 Regular
656 messages
joined Feb 2010
#8 ·
The Health 2 x subreddit is probably the only corner of the internet where 99% of the mods actually stay on task. But you, Betty Edwards22, have this arrogant vibe and a habit of putting words in people's mouths. Just look at how you talk to folks in that thread about moles. If we were all MDs, this whole sub wouldn't even exist because we wouldn't need it 🙄! Besides, your degree—or anyone else's for that matter—doesn't carry much weight here. We're all pretty much on level ground in these threads
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Kudos to the guys doing the heavy lifting and helping out (like when I needed a hand) 👍
Jesse Sanchez90 Jesse Sanchez90 Active MemberOP
66 messages
joined Feb 2013
#9 ·
@ to EL:
It feels like this one wrong conclusion keeps looping through every single reply because nobody is actually reading my points. Instead, everyone just keeps hammering away at things that were never even being contested. Back then, I was simply questioning how Trevor was trying to handle me from his position. I’ve never dealt with anything like this before, but in the message I’m referring to, he explicitly claims that I’m practically terrorizing the moderators—specifically you—just because I edited a private message. In that message, I wasn't protesting; I was genuinely trying to have a conversation to figure out what the issue was. He never once sent me a warning via PM that I somehow "ignored" on purpose. Honestly, I don't find that behavior normal. And now, seeing this insinuation under your post suggesting that I'm "stalking" him? It’s ridiculous. I’m participating in that thread because the subject matter is way more relevant to my specialty than it is to him, even though he’s acting all brotherly toward everyone else there 2x. It’s just incredibly paranoid on his part.
Because of all this, I’m stepping away from the Health 2 x subforum, even though there are so many great topics regarding ENT, plastic surgery, and maxillofacial surgery.
Wishing you all the very best. Stay safe and stay healthy.
Robert Hall7 Robert Hall7 Active Member
79 messages
joined Jan 2009
#10 ·
Look, doctor, I’m not your "dear," so let’s skip the pleasantries.

Best,
Samuel Morgan40 Samuel Morgan40 Active Member
178 messages
joined Mar 2010
#11 ·
Betty Edwards22 said:So, here’s the situation—I’m officially lodging a protest against a certain moderator. Earlier today, over in the Health 2x subforum, specifically within that Nose job thread, this individual decided to use a derogatory slur. I actually went out of my way to call them out on it—just a polite heads-up, really—but instead of an apology, I ended up getting slapped with a 35-point penalty for supposedly "trolling." I mean, seriously? It feels like a bit of a stretch, doesn't it?

Honestly, you absolutely deserved that warning from the moderator. You were busy playing both sides—engaging with the other user (in this case, Scott Allen10, though his username color doesn't really change the fact) and messing with the moderation itself. There’s a specific rule against that here. And let’s be real, Betty Edwards22, this isn't exactly your first rodeo. You've had posts deleted or picked up for warnings before for doing the exact same thing.
Is this kind of behavior from a moderator actually permitted?!?

What kind of behavior is this? Honestly, the guy just used some standard filler words like "damn" or "hell"—it wasn't even directed at anyone on Reddit. Just because we serve as moderators doesn't mean we're supposed to be saints. Besides, other mods use that kind of language all the time—myself included. I really don't see what the big deal is when it's just happening on a single forum.
I won’t even go so far as to say that I was publicly attacked just a few months ago—all because I unintentionally used the wrong word in a thread with another user, a slip of the tongue that wasn't even remotely close to the level of his insults.

He didn't attack you—he just gave you a public warning. And if I’m being honest, that warning didn't just pop up out of nowhere because of one specific post; it was more of a reaction to how you've been acting lately. You've been responding to people on Reddit with a certain... let's call it an attitude—which, I guess, hasn't exactly gone unnoticed by the rest of us.
Let me reiterate: the response was directed specifically at a properly formatted post—one written in clear, black font.

Whether it’s black and white or color—honestly, it doesn't matter—when you're choosing to focus on the person you're talking to instead of actually addressing the topic at hand, or when you decide to start nitpicking the moderation team... well, that's where we run into issues. Posts like those are liable to be deleted or result in a ban, regardless of whether you're a regular contributor or just someone passing through. It isn't about us being sensitive or anyone's ego getting bruised; it's simply because this platform exists for specific purposes, not for personal grievances. Everything would have been perfectly fine, I suppose, if you had just come here first to discuss it properly.
Lisa Myers Lisa Myers Active Member
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joined Mar 2014
#12 ·
Elizabeth Davis said:The Health 2 x subreddit is probably the only sub where 99% of the moderators actually stay in their lane. And you, Betty Edwards22, have this arrogant attitude and a habit of putting words in people's mouths. Just look at how you talk to people regarding the mole discussion. If we were all expert doctors, this subreddit wouldn't even exist because it wouldn't be needed 🙄! Besides, your degree (or anyone else's) doesn't carry much weight on a forum because we are all (generally speaking) equals here.

Kudos to the guys doing the work and helping out (like when I needed it) 👍

Absolutely. Most of us who jump between different subreddits on this site have definitely noticed that.
silverviper3 silverviper3 Newcomer
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joined Aug 2012
#13 ·
Scott Allen10 said:Ty and EL basically said exactly what I would have put in my own response! Look, man, even if you have undeniable expert knowledge, there is absolutely no reason to just "sit in ambush" on a site like Reddit waiting for a chance to "get back" at me over something you think is the same thing... It is obvious to you too that by forcing these situations and trying to manufacture some kind of "scandal," you aren't doing yourself any favors, you're actually doing the exact opposite, so I am inviting you to keep making our corner of this community better with your writing instead.

Swearing and being rude just isn't how you talk to a lady, it really isn't, and regardless of whether she is right or wrong, you shouldn't allow yourself to express things that way because there are basic standards of behavior to follow, especially since she is a doctor—a true professional—and honestly, it is definitely not in the interest of this community to lose people who can provide such valuable expert advice, whether they happen to be a lawyer, a doctor, or a police officer.
melloworca6 melloworca6 Regular
551 messages
joined May 2010
#14 ·
And Scott Allen10 is basically a doctor 😛, if we’re really going to sit here and play professional credentials. And "damn" is such a controversial word now. Seriously, do I really have to explain the difference between telling someone to go screw themselves and just using "damn" as an exclamation? It's just a filler word. Let's just ban all filler words on Reddit while we're at it. 🤦
Samuel Morgan40 Samuel Morgan40 Active Member
178 messages
joined Mar 2010
#15 ·
silverviper3 said:Swearing isn't exactly the way to address a lady—it simply isn't. Regardless of whether she’s right or wrong, you shouldn't allow that kind of language; those are basic rules of etiquette. This is especially true since she’s a doctor—a professional, for that matter. I suspect it wouldn't be in the interest of any online community to lose people who can provide expert advice, whether they happen to be a lawyer, a doctor, or a police officer.

Did you even bother to figure out which post we're talking about, or actually read it? Did you even look at the explanation provided by the moderators if you somehow missed the thread? Sorry, but this feels like someone just jumping into a conversation blindly to lecture the moderators without having a clue what the actual "issue" is.

For the very last time: those specific swear words were never directed at anyone on this site, and certainly not at the woman in question. They weren't a response to her post, nor were they aimed at anyone else on Reddit.

And what does her being a doctor have to do with anything? If she acts arrogant on this subforum, she could be an astrophysicist for all I care—that kind of attitude won't be tolerated in the Health 2 x section.

As for the whole "decorum" thing—so, according to you, we aren't allowed to say, "Damn, I almost totaled my car today," or "To hell with these forums and their constant server errors," because then we'd be considered rude, cocky, or lacking "basic manners"? Well, this isn't PBS, Peace, and Goodness; it's just a forum.
Joshua Garcia8 Joshua Garcia8 Member
11 messages
joined Mar 2012
#16 ·
Good grief, does silverviper3 have to be the voice of reason every single time we talk about racing?
rustydrifter10 rustydrifter10 Regular
693 messages
joined Apr 2011
#17 ·
The admin already covered all the bases here:

mellowraven22 said:Wait, he dropped a few swear words but didn't actually attack anyone? Oh myyyyy. Honestly, that trolling penalty was totally justified.

The kind of stuff you linked above? Yeah, that’s perfectly fine. This forum isn't some stuffy NPR broadcast; people swear, they use sarcasm, they lean into irony, and at the end of the day, most of the mods are just regular people too.

And that link? Again, the swearing really doesn't matter in this specific context.

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