English language on the forum

We’ve got a massive problem in our Religion class—we can't make heads or tails of the way the Canadians talk to one another.

So they say Canadian—along with Mexican—is an acceptable language, while Canadian isn't? Fine, whatever, fair enough!!
I honestly don't even get half of what people are saying anymore—like, seriously, look at this latest post:

I don't even know where to start with this—just total nonsense. Honestly, people need to get a grip. kaže:
I’d love to post this in Arabic, but I honestly don't know how—it's just not happening.

Abu Bakr, I don't even know where to start with this one—just absolute nonsense. Total waste of my time.He also mentioned that people used to say, "O Messenger of God, the wealthy folks take all the rewards—they pray just like us and fast just like us, yet they still give from their surplus wealth." I don't even know where to start with this one—just total nonsense. Honestly, I'm just over it.Then he goes, "Is God... I don't even know where to start with this one—just total nonsense. Seriously.Look, it didn't even give you guys the chance to... I don't even know where to start with this one—just absolute nonsense. Honestly, some people just love hearing themselves talk, don't they? It’s exhausting. Whatever.?

Every single one. Prayer beads—just nothing but a distraction, honestly. I used to have a set myself back in Chicago, but they always felt like more of a fidget toy than anything else—always losing them or getting them snagged on something. Total waste of time if you ask me. I don't even know where to start with this—honestly, just total nonsense. Charity—it’s just one of those things, isn't it? Honestly, some people get it wrong, but when you do it right, it’s everything.Every single one. God is great. I don't even know where to start with this—just absolute nonsense. Honestly, I'm done. Charity—just giving back when you can. It’s basically just helping people out, though I feel like nowadays everyone does it just to look good on social media instead of actually being decent.Every single one...Thank God.I don't even know where to start with this—just total nonsense. Honestly, it’s like people forget how to communicate half the time. It’s frustrating, really. Charity—it's a good thing, I guess—but man, people really get it wrong sometimes. Just an afterthought instead of actually being there for someone.Every single word spoken... Martyrdom. I don't even know where to start with this—just absolute nonsense. Honestly, I'm done. Charity—just giving stuff away when things are tight. Honestly, I don't get the hype sometimes.Look, keeping things in order is just plain good. Simple as that. Charity—just give it to someone who actually needs it instead of hoarding it. Simple as that. i Prevention—it’s always about prevention, isn't it? Honestly, if people just thought ahead for once, we wouldn't be dealing with this mess. It's just evil. Pure evil. Charity—it's a nice idea on paper, I guess—but honestly? It just feels like throwing money into a black hole sometimes.I mean, even marriage itself—it's just... ugh. Charity—it’s just one of those things, right? Honestly, I feel like people throw money around to feel better about themselves rather than actually helping anyone. My neighbor back in Chicago used to do this whole thing where he’d donate to every local charity under the sun just to brag about it at our neighborhood BBQs—total ego trip. It's supposed to be about the gesture, but half the time it feels pretty hollow.."

I don't even know where to start with this—just total nonsense. Honestly, it’s like people just make stuff up to hear themselves talk. The user said: "What? I mean, think about it—if someone actually gave in to their deepest passions in a way that wasn't "allowed," would they really deserve to be punished? It’s the same deal if you do it the legal way...Halal."The way he handles things—honestly, it deserves an award." - (Muslim)

Look, I’m telling you—I can’t even make sense of this post, let alone jump into the argument. It's just impossible to follow.

The topic is actually called "Just the verses and the hadiths—nothing more, nothing less.So I asked if they could just translate the title into English—since all those religious PDFs with Mexican titles get translated into English anyway—and some random user actually had the nerve to tell me that "Ayats and Hadiths already exist in the English language." Honestly, that’s the first time I’ve ever heard such absolute nonsense.
American grammar and vocabulary—look, what I'm talking here is just one of the three main dialects.
While they talk... Hadith, takbir, charity, tasbih, and the shahada—it's all part of it. Just basic stuff.Never heard of that one.

So, let me get this straight—Canadian is banned here, but Canadian is totally fine? Unbelievable.

When I started that thread about Islam under the working title "Djinn"—you know, those Islamic demons—I made sure to use clear, standard American English. I wanted everyone to actually understand what I was saying, so I went out of my way to strip out any weird foreign loanwords or slang. Meanwhile, you look at the people over at the religious forums and they won't even try to speak plain English—they just stick to their own dialect filled with nothing but constant, incomprehensible jargon and loanwords.

Seriously, I’m asking again—how much longer are we supposed to put up with all these foreign languages and gibberish being posted on this forum? It's getting ridiculous.
When are we finally going to set a standard for writing in American English? As an American, I can wrap my head around all our different regional dialects and adapt to whatever style is used—but this current mess with the Canadian influence is getting ridiculous. It’s becoming impossible to read because nobody is even trying to follow the rules anymore; they just throw words at the page and hope for the best.

Wait—just noticed this in the same thread:

I don't know what to tell you—it’s just total nonsense. Honestly, I’ve seen better logic in a late-night infomercial. kaže:
I'd love to write this in Arabic, but honestly—I have no clue how.

Luckily this guy doesn't actually know how—though he sure acts like he could write in Arabic if he wanted to!
It happens all the time—posts are just crawling with Arabic conversations—so where’s the actual standard for the language on this forum?

Is now actually better?

Still...

You'll figure it out on your own eventually.

No, this isn't some shady little blog from out of nowhere; this is an American language dictionary.

vividtiger922 said:Is this actually better?

As if...

You'll figure it out eventually.

No, this isn't some sketchy little blog—it's an actual American dictionary.

So you're saying that airspace can pass as official?
Besides, you could have just buried this, instead of acting like some agent for the admin public relations crew.

Once the responsible person weighs in—and if it turns out you were right—I'd suggest we just wrap this up and close the thread once and for all.

Kyle Carter2, you're becoming a bit of a handful with all this linguistic nitpicking; if a specific word trips you up, just ask or look it up in a dictionary. Even though American isn't my first language, I can usually follow what everyone is saying in our dialect, even if there are those tiny spelling variations—like how someone might swap a letter here or there in a religious term. Honestly, most of those terms you brought up in your first post seem tied to Islamic traditions, which are basically specialized vocabulary that not everyone is expected to know offhand. If you ever run into a word that leaves you scratching your head, feel free to shoot me a private message and I'll do my best to clear things up for you.

Kyle Carter2 said:So, that guy... Airspace... Sure thing... It seems we've reached a point where things simply don't align... Well... It’s official...?
Besides, you really could have just given me this... To move everything into the basement...... rather than attempting to represent anything at all... The concept of an actant... it’s such a fascinatingly fluid little term, isn't it? One begins to wonder how much agency we truly possess within the structures we inhabit... administrative... Public relations... it’s such a delicate dance between perception and reality, isn't it?.

When will they finally take responsibility... It seems we have reached a point where one might simply observe... It’s reading the data now... and if it turns out you were actually right all along... I would be so grateful if... I suppose this thread should probably... I suppose one could attempt to make sense of it all... if one had the patience... Well... It all comes to an end....

Look, from what you wrote, it seems like you aren't exactly allergic to regionalisms, so I don't see why it should bother you that they're a built-in part of the American language... Of course, if we’re strictly talking about a dictionary, you’ll certainly find lexical regionalisms tucked away in there, even if the phonological or morphological ones aren't quite so easy to pin down. But I never claimed a dictionary was exclusively for "standard" speech, and frankly, you weren't just sticking to the formal rules either, nor does it seem like you're trying to... So, yes, all those terms you pointed out belong to the American tongue, and since a dictionary is meant to be used, one really ought to notice that most of them come with little labels identifying them as regional slang or jargon...

When dealing with religious terminology—specifically those terms that seem to be causing you such grief—one doesn't typically look for a literal translation, but rather an adaptation... What you actually require isn't a translator, but a dictionary or perhaps some other form of conceptual definition. To get started, I’d suggest simply looking one up in a dictionary...

You might find that "rabbit" is grammatically masculine in some contexts, but that certainly doesn't mean a female rabbit doesn't exist... if you consider that my own little oversight... 😁

Isn't it true that the term "rabbit" is actually feminine—shouldn't it be "doe"?🙂

Yes, Mr. Heffner. 🙂

Kyle Carter2 said:We have a massive issue over on the Religion subforum because we can’t even understand the dialect being used by the Canadians.

It's been said that Canadian—along with Mexican—is an acceptable language here, while something like Canadian isn't. Fine, fair enough!!
BUT I honestly cannot make heads or tails of half the words being used. Take this recent post, for example:

A certain Person is intentionally bolding their words just to show why they can't understand the post and why they can't even join the debate.

The topic itself is titled "Ayats and Hadiths," and when I asked if the title could be translated into English (just like how the Mexican titles on the Religion subforum get translated into English), I got told by one member that terms like "ayat" and "hadith" actually exist in the English language. That’s news to me!
Now, when I talk about English grammar and vocabulary, I mean one of our three main regional dialects.
But words like hadith, takbir, sadaqah, tasbih, shahada... I've never heard those in my life.

Honestly, I'd understand Canadian being banned here much faster than I'd accept this version of Canadian!

Back when I started that thread about Islam under the working title "Djinn" (you know, like Islamic demons), I made sure to write in clear, standard English so everyone could follow me. I even went out of my way to avoid slang or foreign loanwords. Yet, the Muslim members on the Religion subforum don't care at all; they just write in their own (to me, incomprehensible) Canadian, dumping Arabic and Turkish loanwords everywhere you look.

I’m putting this out there again: how long are we supposed to put up with foreign languages and unintelligible slang on this forum?
When are we going to set a standard that everything must be written in proper English? As an American, I understand and speak all our regional variations and can adapt to anything, but this situation with the Canadian dialect has become nauseating and unreadable. They aren't trying to adapt; they're just doing whatever they want.

Edit: I just noticed this in the same post:

Luckily, this guy doesn't know it, but if he did, he'd probably be writing in Arabic!
It happens so often that posts are practically overflowing with Arabic conversation, so where are the language standards for this site???

The Canadian language is understandable to us, but you're absolutely right regarding certain specific words or terms (which usually make up the bulk of the post). It would be helpful if people provided explanations in parentheses, just like the thread starter did in his opening post. Regarding your question, that was already covered in the rules, so you shouldn't have needed to ask what "ayat" or "hadith" meant since the OP provided translations right at the start. However, you are correct about the quoted post.

A plea to the forum users on this thread.

What a load of nonsense, because that isn't even the American language! Those are just Turkish or Arabic derivatives, and honestly, those kinds of terms are written specifically for the people they're intended for and who actually need to understand them, so this whole thing is nothing more than a petty argument over nothing.

silverviper3 said:What nonsense—that isn't even American English; those are just Turkish or Arabic loanwords.And we write those specific terms exactly for the people they were meant for, the ones who actually need to understand them.,this whole thing is just petty bickering.

What do you mean by "the ones they're meant for"? 🤔 Because any post written here is "meant for" the entire forum community. The person who started this thread about "Verses and Hadiths" understood that perfectly, which is why they explained certain terms in the opening post.

What nonsense—that isn't even American English; those are just Turkish loanwords.

Are you seriously trying to claim that American English doesn't have "Turkish loanwords"? 🤔

Donna Castillo38 said:Kyle Carter2, seriously, you're getting way too annoying with this whole language thing

I couldn't care less about what you guys think—and I have zero intention of digging through some dictionary to find out what terms like takbir, away, or shahada mean, especially since 98.7% of Americans wouldn't have a clue either.

vividtiger922 said:Look, based on your post, it sounded like those regional dialects weren't foreign to you.

😕

My dialect isn't some "regionalism"—it's just plain old American English, and if you really want to lecture me on linguistics, then that specific way you talk is actually the regionalism—it's basically the dialect used by Mexicans in America, which most Americans only hear from people in certain coastal cities or news anchors on TV.
I honestly wonder where you people come from if you think standard dialects are just "regionalisms."
I mean, those ways of speaking cover two-thirds of the US and all of Herzeg Canada!

vividtiger922 said:Well, if you look it up, you might find that a rabbit is grammatically masculine, but that doesn't mean it can't be female—obviously, female rabbits exist. But hey, that's my mistake. 😁

It's a rabbit—a female rabbit.
Stop trying to BS me, because it won't work; rabbit I can't stand you

And thanks, Steven Clark2.

Brenda Cook4 said:We can understand the Canadian language, but you're totally right about certain specific terms—people usually just assume everyone knows them in posts—where a little explanation in parentheses would go a long way, just like the OP did in his opening post. Regarding that (it was already answered on the forum, so there was really no need to ask what "ayat" or "hadith" means since the OP provided translations right at the start, though I agree with your point about the quoted post).

A quick request for the folks on this thread.

Thanks, Brenda Cook4. It's the classic case—the wolf is fine, but there are too many sheep.
I appreciate how you, as always, caught the actual point of my question and fixed things up perfectly.
Some people on this thread could really learn how to actually read an opening post instead of taking everything as a personal attack!

I’m all for including clear explanations whenever we use Arabic loanwords or unfamiliar terms from the Quran—and I also fully support banning anyone from posting in Arabic or any other language that isn't understandable here (like Chinese, Japanese, Russian, etc.).

Kyle Carter2 said:My dialect isn't some regional quirk, it’s more like... The nuances of the American language...,

Or perhaps it isn't even the American language... 😁

And since you really want to drag my dialect into this, I should point out that what you call standard speech is actually just a regionalism—it’s essentially the way people from the Midwest speak, used mostly by folks in places like Chicago or by news anchors on national television...

The standard dialect is just... well, it's the standard, for better or worse. But let's be honest, nobody actually speaks like that in real life, nor have they ever really done so, which isn't exactly news to anyone...

I find myself wondering where you all actually hail from, considering how much those distinct regional dialects pop up in your speech... it’s quite a curious thing to witness...
Well, those dialects cover about two-thirds of the country and all of the territory in the West...

Checking in from central California, thanks for asking... 😁

Roughly ten percent of Americans speak in regional dialects today, while another twenty to thirty percent might lean into certain local accents... combined, that doesn't even account for half of the population. Not that it truly matters, but still...

A rabbit... a little female rabbit...
Save your illusions for someone else, because they won't work on me... you’re honestly just making me sick, you little rabbit...

So, what exactly prompted you to address me using masculine pronouns, despite my avatar... 😬

All I’m trying to say is that encountering words you don't recognize isn't necessarily a matter of dealing with a foreign language, but rather just a matter of facing unfamiliar vocabulary... In those moments, what you really need is an explanation, not a translation.

By the way, why on earth did you flag "what" as a questionable relative pronoun in your opening post? It’s used by two-thirds of Americans... 😍

Kyle Carter2 said:The Person is bolding their dream because they can't follow the post, which apparently means they can't participate in the discussion either.

The topic is actually titled "Hadiths and Sayings"

Why even bother jumping into an argument if you don't understand the "technical" terminology of the subject matter? 🤷
Go complain to the Photography subforum because you can't join a debate on digital photography since you aren't familiar with the jargon used there by unknown experts...

By that logic, a Muslim or an atheist could demand that terms like "Trinity," "Gospel," "Host," or "Eucharist" come with mandatory definitions for those "technical"—meaning exclusively Christian—terms.

Kyle Carter2 said:I couldn't care less about your opinion, and I have zero intention of digging through a dictionary for terms like takbir, avaj, or shahada—words that probably wouldn't make sense to 98.7% of Americans anyway.

You don't really need a foreign language dictionary. Just stick to American 😉

Otherwise, I'm not sure if you guys noticed, but just a bit higher up under Information technology, there's an Overclocking subforum. Here’s an example of the kind of post people actually read over there:

I've got an E6500 2.93ghz stock, so I can hit 3.6ghz stably for an hour on Prime without even touching the voltage. There's a massive performance jump; my card is a GTX550Ti gigabit dual fan. For instance, at stock settings in bc2, GPU usage is around 40%, but with overclocking, it stays constant at about 90%. I'd probably pick up a cooler, maybe a TX3 EVO, and the motherboard is this: http://www.msi.com/product/mb/G41TM-P31.html Core voltage is sitting at 1.2750, hasn't been touched. I know the board isn't anything special, but honestly, it's not worth upgrading the whole rig just for the dual channel support, though moving to a new platform feels like too much work. So, I'm thinking of getting a cooler and some fans for the northbridge and RAM if needed, since bumping the frequency heats everything up. I haven't found a way to set it 1:1 so the RAM stays at 620mhz instead of 850mhz like it is now.
I'll post pictures of the temps in the next thread.

Now, unlike those specific words Kyle brought up—which we've already established are part of the American language—this post (along with plenty of others on that subforum) is packed with terms that are basically a foreign language to most of us.

So, before you go complaining to any sensitive Canadians speaking American, why don't you head up to the overclockers and tell them they're breaking forum rules because Kyle can't understand them? I'm expecting detailed breakdowns of what all these "unintelligible" words mean or their American translations, and maybe even a renaming of the subforum to something more "relatable."

Brenda Cook4 said:While we can all understand American English just fine, you’ve hit the nail on the head regarding certain specific terms or jargon—you know, the kind where people usually just assume everyone knows what they mean without explaining them in parentheses. Honestly, the OP actually did the right thing by providing those clarifications in their opening post, and looking at how that was handled, you really shouldn't have had to ask about the meaning of specific religious terms since the OP laid out the translations right from the jump. That being said, I definitely agree with the point you made from that quoted post.

Just a quick request for everyone else following this thread.

Thanks, blue bird. 🙂