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Social science majors brainstorming

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Participants vividtiger922Paul Anderson2Kenneth Garcia4wiredangler5Michelle Flores40rustydrifter10
vividtiger922 vividtiger922 MemberOP
39 messages
joined Apr 2009
#1 ·
With the moderator's permission, I suppose this serves as a continuation... It seems I missed the content you wanted me to rewrite... I'm opening up this little corner of the forum to serve as a dedicated space for discussing anything falling under the umbrella of social science... or, more accurately, that vast territory consisting of everything that isn't linguistics, psychology, philosophy, or history...

One might wonder if we truly need a dedicated thread for suggestions, complaints, or general critiques regarding how we operate here on this subforum... But honestly, the answer is rather mundane. After all, the title itself includes the word "science." Now, let’s be realistic—this isn't some high-level academic journal, nor is this entire forum meant to function like an Ivy League university, so there's really no point in debating that. We all know deep down that expecting strictly rigorous, high-level scholarly discourse on a public internet forum is a bit of a stretch...
There will always be those who feel compelled to drift into a subforum regardless of its title, just to drop a comment that leaves a bit of a bad taste in everyone's mouth... On the other hand, you have the folks who actually take a discussion seriously and strive to maintain some semblance of quality. It ultimately falls to the moderator to strike that delicate balance between the two—ensuring there's a space where enthusiasts can participate within their own level of interest without draining the life out of the conversation, while simultaneously providing a platform for those seeking rigorous debate to exchange ideas, promote their fields, and bridge the gap to the public through a sophisticated yet accessible approach that leans ever so slightly toward the popular...

Moderating subforums like these is no easy feat. On one hand, you need that specific set of qualities that define any decent moderator—though, if we’re being honest, "quality" is such a subjective term when it depends entirely on the subject matter at hand... on the other hand, you actually have to be able to navigate these debates and possess a baseline understanding of the topics being discussed. Let’s be realistic: the scope of social science is incredibly vast, and it's nearly impossible for any single person to master every niche through sheer effort and expertise alone. Personally, I wouldn't dream of claiming I have enough knowledge to maintain a high standard of discourse without leaning on those who are willing to step up and share their insights... which is why I truly believe that open feedback and genuine communication between moderators and members are absolutely essential here.

Since we touched on this briefly before, I felt it was necessary to reopen the discussion. If my intuition serves me right, the thread was likely shuttered because it was being treated primarily as a dumping ground for grievances regarding moderator decisions—which simply isn't its purpose. Not every single action warrants a public rebuttal, nor is this platform meant to be a catch-all for resolving every minor dispute; for those matters, there is the formal appeals process and other established channels... However, I believe it is vital to have a space where we can discuss overarching ideas, the general direction of this sub-forum, and the standard of discourse we ought to uphold. While this forum may not always sustain the highest level of academic rigor, the fundamental principles of science, methodology, and the core literature that any non-expert should familiarize themselves with are topics that cannot be properly addressed within individual threads, nor even through the official grievance procedures...

Of course, that doesn't mean every single suggestion, critique, or idea is going to be greenlit. After all, even Whereabout—who has shown quite an interest in this discussion—once remarked that sometimes a moderator finds it easiest just to tune everything out and do things their own way... It isn't easy to reconcile every conflicting viewpoint and every stray idea that comes flying in, though it certainly isn't a bad thing to listen. You never know what kind of gem might pop up. So, I would truly love to see everyone interested weigh in on this conversation, from the current moderators and the admin team to the former mods and the duo whose brief stint on this subforum was unfortunately cut short (Apophis and Velia)... plus the supermod in charge of the section, anyone else who drops by, and anyone with even the slightest affinity for the social sciences.

And just so this thread doesn't end up being nothing more than a one-off question about a single topic, let’s make this our official home for discussing the subforum itself... since Whereabout already kicked things off by pointing out how things have finally started picking up lately, and I think we should definitely keep that momentum going...
Paul Anderson2 Paul Anderson2 Active Member
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joined Oct 2012
#2 ·
So, if I'm following you—you basically want unlocked, maybe with a name change too...?

I guess that’s not a bad idea, assuming the other mod is on board with it.

To be honest, I don't fully get what's going on with Apophis or Velia either.

Tyndall was the one who shut down this thread even though the suggestions thread itself is locked. We could always just start a new one, but I suppose it's probably better not to clutter things up with too many threads.😁
vividtiger922 vividtiger922 MemberOP
39 messages
joined Apr 2009
#3 ·
Exactly. I’m suggesting we either spin up a dedicated thread in the subforum or just unlock the existing one... this particular discussion was actually sparked by my chat with Nico regarding the need for more focused topics and general feedback across the entire forum. My intention with the opening post was to provide a rationale for why a topic like this is nearly essential within a section like social science...

To ensure this proposal doesn't just get swallowed up by the sheer volume of conversation in the original thread, I decided to present the reasoning as its own standalone topic—so, here we are, an open floor for debate, which feels like the right way to go.

I appreciate you weighing in and, from what I can see, supporting my suggestion. 🙂 As for the technicalities—whether we start fresh or revive an old thread—we'll just have to see. I wonder if Tyndall might have some sort of visual to help us unlock the previous discussion, because it would be such a shame if we didn't keep this going in a more editorial style... 😁
Kenneth Garcia4 Kenneth Garcia4 Newcomer
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joined Jun 2013
#4 ·
Paul Anderson2 said:I mean, it's not a bad idea, provided they roll out another mod just like it.

Exactly.
wiredangler5 wiredangler5 Active Member
54 messages
joined Mar 2013
#5 ·
you're annoying me said:Whether you look at the current mod team and admins, or the former mods and the duo whose short stint on this subforum was unfortunately cut short (Apophis and Velia), as well as the supermod in charge of the subforum...


Fine, if the subforum mods are handling this topic, then sure. Go ahead and open it if they're going to be using the space. 🙂 It might actually be better to just start a fresh thread.
vividtiger922 vividtiger922 MemberOP
39 messages
joined Apr 2009
#6 ·
Anyone else just sitting on the sidelines here?

😬

Much appreciated, everyone... 🙂
Michelle Flores40 Michelle Flores40 Newcomer
5 messages
joined Feb 2009
#7 ·
I suspect this whole debate is one of the main reasons why Elli lost her footing
To me, she’s become the living embodiment of the phrase be nice, then get screwed over

Elli was actually quite talented, but they just wouldn't stop picking at her through this thread
And they eventually drained her dry

PS: It’s like that old saying: you give them an inch, and they take a mile

Just some food for thought
vividtiger922 vividtiger922 MemberOP
39 messages
joined Apr 2009
#8 ·
I honestly don't see why a topic like this should be treated as some sort of looming threat within the Natural Science, Religion, Film, or even the recently added Alternative subforums under Social Science... there's really no reason to go around aggressively shutting things down or warning the mods about supposed dangers that just aren't there.

Back when Elli was asked about where the boundaries actually lie for discussions on this subject, people simply acted within the limits they were given—just like all of us, including yourself.

After all, these subforums don't exist solely for the sake of the moderators, nor is this thread required to maintain the exact same shape it once held, so I fail to see the need for such apocalyptic predictions regarding something that works perfectly fine elsewhere and aligns quite well with the recent updates we've been seeing...
Michelle Flores40 Michelle Flores40 Newcomer
5 messages
joined Feb 2009
#9 ·
vividtiger922 said:The subforum doesn't even exist because of the moderators

I realize we're in an election cycle, but I haven't completely lost my hearing to political slogans just yet

vividtiger922, you clearly have a massive conflict with the mods and the administration; that PDF is bleeding out, so let him recover for a bit

In my view, electing Daniel is the correct path forward. Give him some breathing room to find his footing without constant surveillance. That is all
vividtiger922 vividtiger922 MemberOP
39 messages
joined Apr 2009
#10 ·
Michelle Flores40 said:I realize we're right in the middle of election season, but I haven't quite lost my hearing when it comes to political slogans yet...

sweetheart, you seem to have quite a friction with the moderators and the admin team; that PDF is looking pretty raw right now, so maybe just let it heal a bit...

I honestly think letting the new guy take the lead is the right move—just give him some space to find his footing without everyone hovering over his shoulder. That’s all...

Would you be so kind as to actually read the original post and the link included there to see how this whole debate even started? I’m asking nicely...
Paul Anderson2 Paul Anderson2 Active Member
55 messages
joined Oct 2012
#11 ·
Said it, meant it, did it. 🙂

And look at you, managing to jump into this thread too. I guess things are about to get interesting... ☕
rustydrifter10 rustydrifter10 Regular
693 messages
joined Apr 2011
#12 ·
The thread is officially live! Huge congrats to everyone involved, and I'm wishing you all the absolute best of luck with this one. 🙂

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