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Just a quick comment on the "Why?" questions—not a post, not a complaint.

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Participants Charles Morris4darksailor2Timothy Robinson2Eric Newman75Jeremy Rodriguez3casualwolf12Lisa Phillips5
Charles Morris4 Charles Morris4 NewcomerOP
4 messages
joined Sep 2011
#1 ·
Hitting up the Messages, Complaints, and Comments subforum with this one. I’m starting a thread here because the auto-mod already nuked my first paragraph.

Seriously, auto-censorship is such a pain—you get these hundreds of thoughts swirling around in your head, you start tripping over yourself, and before you know it, you’ve totally lost your train of thought and have no clue where to even begin. And hey, if anyone actually thinks the auto-mod is stopping me from being rude, swearing, or calling people out by name—man, you are dead wrong. I don't have that urge, and honestly, if I did, I’d find a way around it in a heartbeat.

What I *do* feel like doing is commenting on something else entirely. And that "something else" involves purpose.

Think of it like this—little side note—for some CEO out there, the sole purpose of their company might just be turning a profit. Look, that’s totally understandable and perfectly legitimate. There are a million ways to hit those profit margins, and it’s up to the boss to pick whichever way they think works best. But—and this is a big but—that doesn't change the fact that they're kind of a subpar businessman if they constantly ignore feedback from partners, employees, or anyone else suggesting that they could make more money or save resources just by tweaking how they operate to add actual value. "Value added" is all the buzzword in the corporate world lately, and half the time, it doesn't even cost anything to implement.

But since we aren't sitting in an ammo factory and we're actually on a forum, talking about "quality communication" in terms of adding value feels a bit off-target. Quality communication isn't just about what you say. Respecting the person you're talking to should basically be the bedrock of any decent conversation. Being arrogant, refusing to listen, only hearing what you want to hear, or basically shooting down someone just for raising a hand to speak—none of that creates the vibe needed for actual, meaningful communication. Even offering a Mickey Mouse Band-Aid and a 'sorry' after you've essentially shot someone in the knee won't fix things. Not if you're just going to shoot them in the exact same spot tomorrow. Slapping on another Band-Aid with a different cartoon character and saying "my bad" again doesn't mean the issue is fixed. Not if the core purpose of the interaction is missing somewhere else entirely.

The whole "if you don't like it, move on"
thing is a great solution for people who truly don't care about anything. But offering that to people who actually *do* care? That's just arrogant, and honestly, it's risky. Not risky because of lost profits, but because of the sheer logic of it: if you don't want to deal with complaints, why did you set up a suggestion box right on your own front porch in the first place? If you really can't handle the feedback, maybe follow your own advice and go somewhere where there are no complaints. Or, you know, just take down the box.

Anyway, back to the point about purpose. Band-Aids don't stay on forever—not even the ones with Mickey Mouse. And Band-Aids cost money. Extra costs eat into your bottom line. On the flip side, quality communication and treating people fairly? That brings in bonuses. Since this is just my two cents on the current mood and some of the "why?" questions hanging in the air, I don't really have an answer for "what am I actually trying to achieve?" and I don't think I need one. What someone actually wants is something they have to figure out for themselves. If they want to, obviously. Arrogant or not, that's their call.
darksailor2 darksailor2 Active Member
59 messages
joined Jul 2011
#2 ·
I honestly don't get it. What is actually going on here? 😁 🤣
Timothy Robinson2 Timothy Robinson2 Member
27 messages
joined Feb 2011
#3 ·
darksailor2 said:I don't get it. What's actually happening here? 😁 🤣

Let me break it down for you. 😬

I think Kate Thompson67 is saying that if people can't make things happen through official channels, then outside movements are just going to pop up. It's inevitable, I guess.

Basically, she's justifying something like the Boston Tea Party by arguing it happened because nobody would sit down and negotiate. She's saying when talks fail, you end up with revolutions or invasions and stuff like that. They aren't pretty, obviously, but maybe they're necessary sometimes.

Am I getting that right?
Eric Newman75 Eric Newman75 Active Member
137 messages
joined Jul 2011
#4 ·
Who exactly are you following online? Seriously, you missed the mark on this one. What "revolution" are we even talking about?

The woman is just laying out basic economic principles here: a happy customer is a loyal customer. Period. She’s talking about applying loyalty program logic to the media industry. She’s discussing the kind of necessary investments required to run a solid business—the kind of expenses that might look like costs upfront, but ultimately turn into pure profit.
Jeremy Rodriguez3 Jeremy Rodriguez3 Newcomer
5 messages
joined Sep 2011
#5 ·
This woman is laying it all out there, speaking quite candidly about the sheer arrogance and lack of basic courtesy shown by certain moderators and admins on this forum. Her point is simple: this community would see a massive boost if the leadership actually learned how to communicate with a little more grace and decency.

Edit: It wouldn't cost them a dime, and the whole forum would be a much better place to hang out.
casualwolf12 casualwolf12 Member
32 messages
joined Jan 2008
#6 ·
Eric Newman75 said:The woman is outlining the fundamentals of economics here: a satisfied customer is a loyal customer. She’s discussing how loyalty programs might be applied to media sectors, and she touches upon the capital investments required to run a successful enterprise—those specific expenditures that ultimately transform into pure profit.

But what about that particular breed of customer who does nothing but nag and nitpick over every infinitesimal detail? 🤔 If you were running a retail chain, would you actually want such a person to become a loyal patron, and just how much would you be willing to invest to secure the "loyalty" of someone like that?
Eric Newman75 Eric Newman75 Active Member
137 messages
joined Jul 2011
#7 ·
Honestly, studies show that less than ten percent of people are just perpetually miserable. No matter what you do, it’s never quite enough for them. But I’m telling you—they’re a tiny minority.
Charles Morris4 Charles Morris4 NewcomerOP
4 messages
joined Sep 2011
#8 ·
darksailor2 said:I honestly have no clue! Like, what is even going on here? I am completely lost—seriously, can someone please just break this down for me? 😁 🤣

I honestly thought I was being crystal clear when I put that ad out there—like, wasn't it super obvious? I’m looking for a husband who’s actually doing well for himself—and yeah, I mean "well" in every single sense of the word! 😬

casualwolf12 said:What do you even call that one customer who just won't quit—you know the type—who basically lives to nitpick every single tiny little thing and hits you with a constant stream of complaints and "constructive" criticism over the smallest details? 🤔 Would I even be able to pull off being a store owner? Man, honestly—I don't know! Like, could I actually handle the stress of running the whole show without losing my mind? Probably not, haha! I’m way too laid back for that kind of pressure—I'd probably spend more time chatting up the regulars than actually checking the inventory or balancing the books. It sounds like a total whirlwind, you know? One minute you're dealing with a shipment from FedEx that's late as hell, and the next you've got some customer complaining about a coupon that expired in 2019. I just don't think I have that "boss" energy in me—I'm much better at just hanging out and enjoying the vibe! I wanted... So, if you actually managed to turn a guy like that into a total brand loyalist—I mean, someone who’s basically part of the family—how much would you even be willing to shell out just to keep him hooked? Like, what's the price tag on that kind of loyalty?

Permanent ban. Period.
It’s just not exactly the go-to move if you’re looking to actually pull people in—you know, like, when you want them showing up with their whole crew, bringing the neighbors along, or even getting the family involved to liven things up while the coworkers are around to join the party. 😁
And that’s about all I've got to say about wishing.
casualwolf12 casualwolf12 Member
32 messages
joined Jan 2008
#9 ·
Eric Newman75 said:Research actually suggests that fewer than ten percent of people are perpetually dissatisfied. No matter what you achieve, it will never meet their standards. But in my estimation, they represent a very small minority.

Negligible little, which means...

Kate Thompson67 said:Permaculture.
It just happens to be an unpopular method for those who are actually looking to attract crowds, bring over neighbors and family, or entertain their colleagues and such. 😁
So much for being a social butterfly.

One should evaluate behavior rather than character itself. If a person is perfectly reasonable for 330 days of the year—not causing any waves, mind you—and then decides to be difficult for 35 days, perhaps they simply shouldn't show up during those specific 35 days? 😬 For the rest of the year, the door remains open. 👋
Or is that the old adage... once a thief, always a thief? 🤷
Eric Newman75 Eric Newman75 Active Member
137 messages
joined Jul 2011
#10 ·
casualwolf12 said:negligible really, I mean...

In principle, yeah. I remember reading somewhere that if you actually offer a solid quality guarantee, only about 15-20 percent of customers will bother returning a product. But here's the kicker: they only do it because they're genuinely unhappy. So, essentially, only two out of ten people are actually going to take advantage of the chance to get a freebie out of you. Why? Because most people aren't just looking to rip you off; they generally live by that "I bought it, I own it" mindset. They trust their own judgment and honestly, they feel a bit embarrassed if they have to come back complaining. It’s a whole ego thing.
Lisa Phillips5 Lisa Phillips5 Newcomer
2 messages
joined Sep 2011
#11 ·
Kate Thompson67 said:I'm dropping by the Feedback and Complaints subforum with a quick
comment...

Look, aisling, I hate to break it to you, but this feels pretty pointless. Everyone else has already figured it out—and frankly, they aren't interested in changing their minds. Whatever spin you're trying to put on this 🙂

It’s just sad when people spend more energy making excuses than actually getting to the point. That’s a character flaw, plain and simple, and those kinds of things don't just vanish overnight.

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