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Reporting this thread for astroturfing and disrespecting the community

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Participants Lawrence Fowler5hollowtrucker77Mark Booth91
Lawrence Fowler5 Lawrence Fowler5 NewcomerOP
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#1 ·
To whom it may concern,
I am formally submitting a report regarding the thread titled "small art - 5m. - an excellent boat" located within the Nautica subforum,
as I believe it constitutes a clear case of astroturfing.
Furthermore, there is a palpable sense of disparagement directed toward Mark Booth91 in that particular discussion; he was essentially bullied for daring to voice a dissenting opinion about this supposedly "excellent boat" in a separate thread—a thread that, quite conveniently, was wiped from the face of this forum and no longer exists.

One wouldn't even have to look very hard to verify this blatant marketing ploy; if you simply head over to Google and search for the term "small art," which happens to be the specific model name of this vessel,
you will find that Google prioritizes the manufacturer’s official landing page as the first result, immediately followed by this very forum thread, which serves as nothing more than a curated testimonial claiming how "great" the boat is.

I kindly request that you reconsider the title of this thread and, more importantly, purge the following posts from the record: 1, 8, 33, 34, 37, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, 58, 68, 70.

Thank you for your attention to this matter.
hollowtrucker77 hollowtrucker77 Regular
681 messages
joined Nov 2007
#2 ·
Is we're talking about some kind of undercover marketing here—like, is it just people sharing their honest thoughts on something, or are these folks actually the ones building and selling those boats?
Lawrence Fowler5 Lawrence Fowler5 NewcomerOP
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#3 ·
I honestly can't tell if these people actually build and sell these boats themselves, or if they just snagged some sweetheart discount as customers and now they're basically acting as unpaid brand ambassadors... who knows!

Or am I missing something here—is your definition of "stealth marketing" strictly limited to when someone is peddling their own product?

The reality is quite simple: if a potential buyer decides to Google the name of a boat, the first thing they’ll see is a link to the manufacturer's site, followed immediately by a thread on an American forum filled with nothing but glowing praise for that exact vessel... so, I'll let you be the judge of whether that kind of setup influences a buyer's decision.

And then, heaven forbid someone dares to post a dissenting opinion within the thread, the whole post gets wiped away under the convenient pretext of "protecting the community from insults."

Speaking of insults, Mark Booth91 had the audacity to express a different perspective on this particular boat, only to be met with a relentless tidal wave of vitriol and condescension from the crowd.

So, I have to wonder: do my observations above qualify as insults and disparagement, or does this still fall under the umbrella of simply "expressing an opinion"?
hollowtrucker77 hollowtrucker77 Regular
681 messages
joined Nov 2007
#4 ·
they aren't just some random group of idiots, it's clearly the exact same person
the clones have been banned and the thread is gone
Lawrence Fowler5 Lawrence Fowler5 NewcomerOP
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joined Jun 2011
#5 ·
Much appreciated, and my very best to you.
Mark Booth91 Mark Booth91 Newcomer
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joined Jun 2011
#6 ·
hollowtrucker77 said:they aren't just people with no original thoughts, it's actually one single person
clones got banned and the thread was wiped

I honestly don't get this at all. Am I just being slow here?
What clone? Who, what, why?
I'm trying to send this user a DM, but apparently, I'm not allowed to!?
I have zero clue why.

What I said about that small art still stands, so if anyone actually cares, I’ve got the whole thing documented in photos.
Why was that deleted? Who is protecting who, and why should I care? Actually, I do care because it's about this boat problem where water keeps leaking into the double bottom and you can't get it out, so there's always ten liters of water sitting in there.
Or maybe the center of gravity for the water isn't at the stern, but somewhere a third of the way from the bow, making it impossible to pump out.

There's no way osmosis hasn't started eating away at the hull after a few years if it's constantly sitting in dozens of liters of seawater and muck.

Instead of giving actual advice to the folks on this forum, someone decided to play God by deleting the TRUTH and talking about clones or whatever nonsense they're rambling about.

Since you're clearly such an expert, why don't you give me some real advice? How do I get rust off stainless steel or dry out the boat? What do I need to plug and what kind of paint should I use to cover the stainless?
Mark Booth91 Mark Booth91 Newcomer
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joined Jun 2011
#7 ·
Lawrence Fowler5 said:I honestly can't tell if these people actually build and sell boats, or if they just scored some sweet discount and now they're playing promoter... or what the hell is going on here...?

Is "hidden marketing" only a crime if you're peddling your own gear? Because that seems like a weirdly narrow definition.

Look, the reality is simple: if a potential buyer goes to Google to look up a specific boat model, the first thing they see is the manufacturer's site, and the second thing is a thread on an American forum filled with nothing but glowing praise for that exact boat. You tell me—does that influence a customer's choice? Does it?

And then, heaven forbid someone posts a dissenting opinion within the thread, and suddenly that post gets nuked under the guise of "protecting the community from insults." Ridiculous.

Speaking of insults, Mark Booth91 dared to share a different perspective on this boat, and he was immediately met with a tidal wave of vitriol and condescension from the fan club.

So, let me ask you: do my comments above qualify as "insulting," or am I just exercising my right to have an actual opinion?

Apparently, asking for advice is strictly forbidden here (look at my deleted post), but hey, if you want a list of everything wrong with this thing, I can always slide into your DMs. It’s a waste of cash to buy a small art boat; it’s pretty obvious someone here has some shady interests at play.
If I’m the one who got burned, that doesn't mean everyone else should be.
hollowtrucker77 hollowtrucker77 Regular
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joined Nov 2007
#8 ·
Mark Booth91, take a breath and watch the tone, if you don't mind my asking.

The whole thread where everyone is busy praising this boat and all those "characters" backing it up is actually just one single person.
ok?
Because of that, the entire topic loses any shred of credibility, which is exactly why it was wiped from the board.
Mark Booth91 Mark Booth91 Newcomer
4 messages
joined Jun 2011
#9 ·
Can you just drop your private email address? I actually want to see what we're talking about here.
Thanks.

hollowtrucker77 said:Mark Booth91, take a breath and watch your mouth, please.

The whole thread where this guy brags about his boat—and all those "people" cheering him on—is just one single person.
Get it?
That’s why the whole thing lost any shred of credibility and ended up getting deleted.
hollowtrucker77 hollowtrucker77 Regular
681 messages
joined Nov 2007
#10 ·
Everything is right there in plain sight, and honestly, I’m not about to start giving out free private tutoring sessions on how to actually navigate a forum
Mark Booth91 Mark Booth91 Newcomer
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joined Jun 2011
#11 ·
hollowtrucker77 said:Everything is right there in plain sight. I’m really not interested in giving out free private tutoring sessions on how to actually use a forum.

I don't need a private lecture here. I really don't. What I actually need is for you to stop making these baseless claims that I'm some kind of flip-flopper who spends his time praising one boat today and trashing another tomorrow. Is that really what we're doing now? Just inventing things about me?

I don't even know what I'm basing this on at this point. Honestly? No clue. linguistics And what kind of conversation level are we even talking about here? Seriously.
Have I ever actually come after anyone on this Reddit thread like you’re doing to me? You’re just throwing insults left and right for no reason, and honestly, you're out here spreading total nonsense under the guise of representing this community. For what?

So, here’s the deal. After I posted my review—complete with all the photo evidence to back it up—the manufacturer actually reached out and sent threats straight to my home address. Like, seriously? Where did they even get that info? Isn't that kind of data supposed to be protected by law? Or did someone over at Reddit just hand it over to them?

Does the court file show that the judge or the DA ever actually asked you for anything?
So, basically, they were just tossing around people's identities without any legal right to do so. Total shady business.

That’s exactly why I wanted to shoot you a DM with the actual court records. It’s all right there in black and white. Everything proves that it’s the same person you were talking about back on June 29, 2011, at 8:44 AM. Clear as day.

Look, everything we’ve talked about regarding this whole mess—including this very thread—is being recorded. It’s essentially acting as evidence for both sides, the prosecution and the defense. So, I’m thinking I might just tell my lawyer to subpoena you specifically to testify about that claim you made back on June 29th at 8:44 AM. Honestly? It works out perfectly for me.
hollowtrucker77 hollowtrucker77 Regular
681 messages
joined Nov 2007
#12 ·
Besides, I couldn't care less about someone trying to corner me privately
I already told you, there was this one person popping up in the thread using a bunch of different handles

As far as your data goes, I definitely haven't handed anything over, nor am I even aware of what kind of info is out there

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