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Participants Jeffrey Nguyen2restlesssurfer6Andrew Booth29Ryan Vaughn7Jose BarrettHannah Wright4placidmarlin3Charles Fox10
Jeffrey Nguyen2 Jeffrey Nguyen2 MemberOP
17 messages
joined May 2010
#1 ·
On Reddit, moderators sometimes lock threads and provide an explanation (which is true, though often pretty vague) as to why they did it. Usually, those explanations make sense to me—but I just ran into one specific reason for a lockout that left me feeling 😕

Basically, a user started a thread titled "Democratic Party bickering" and wrote: "Lately, Democratic Party bickering has been driving my blood pressure through the roof because suddenly everyone in the Republican Party supposedly knew everything... that they should have reported it sooner etc..."
"But what about the Democrats and their own versions of Ivo Sanader? First and foremost, I'm thinking of Milan Bandić, whom the Democrats practically worshipped just as much as the Republicans loved Sanader. Why don't the Democrats hand over evidence to the FBI regarding Bandić, Ljubičić, and their other little Sanaders? Or will they also be claiming in a few months that they knew nothing—nothing at all—about what any sane person already knows? And that is, every single county and every city in America with more than 20,000 people has its own version of Sanader or Bandić..."

"By the way, I'm not a member of any political party..."

Shortly after that, the moderator locked the thread with this explanation: "It raises my blood pressure when someone starts a thread just because their blood pressure went up."

The reasoning behind that feels completely ridiculous to me. It implies that the moderator takes issue with a user starting a discussion based on something that annoyed or upset them. But that's exactly why a ton of people here start threads without getting shut down—so it feels like there’s some other underlying motive here.

I don't follow politics very closely, so I'm not exactly an expert on how things "work" in that world. I don't know—maybe the topic was already being debated in another thread, maybe it had been discussed too much already, or maybe the user is known for being a provocateur or something...
If that were the case, they could have just said so instead of: "It raises my blood pressure when someone starts a thread just because their blood pressure went up."
I can't find a legitimate reason for locking the thread in that sentence. To me, it just screams moderator ego and arbitrary power trips (not saying it actually is, but that's the impression I get).

Couldn't they have explained the closure in a slightly better or more acceptable way?
restlesssurfer6 restlesssurfer6 Member
17 messages
joined Sep 2010
#2 ·
It doesn't surprise me one bit that Ryan Vaughn7 would pull something like that 🤔
The moderator is clearly biased—it’s exactly why some people won't even bother posting on this PDF☕
Andrew Booth29 Andrew Booth29 Regular
338 messages
joined Mar 2012
#3 ·
Look, this is a Reddit thread, not some personal blog... People actually come here to have a discussion.
Take a topic like this —it caught fire immediately simply because the person who started it actually put in a modicum of effort when setting it up.
restlesssurfer6 restlesssurfer6 Member
17 messages
joined Sep 2010
#4 ·
How is this thread supposed to stay alive when it's locked? It feels like a topic that could spark some serious debate—though, naturally, instead of actual discussion, people would just start bickering, and then Ryan Vaughn7 would be stuck reading political nonsense, getting worked up because everyone disagrees with him, and having to hand out warnings... Why bother with all that when you can just shut the whole thing down immediately?☕

Besides, the users will definitely learn how to properly introduce a topic—just like how he'll write a perfect header and a solid justification for closing it. :dupla kava:
Andrew Booth29 Andrew Booth29 Regular
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joined Mar 2012
#5 ·
Look, there are already several threads touching on this specific subject—some focus on Milan Bandić, while others dive into certain figures within the Democratic Party:
And also check this out:
where similar discussions were kicked off. In any case—and I say this quite plainly—it wouldn't be a great idea if everyone just started opening new threads every single time they felt a bit annoyed by something.
restlesssurfer6 restlesssurfer6 Member
17 messages
joined Sep 2010
#6 ·
Andrew Booth29, alright—I'm not even going to debate whether the topic itself is valid right now. It was nice of you to drop that link, truly. But my question remains: why couldn't the gentleman just state his point without such an obnoxious dose of arrogance and condescension?
Andrew Booth29 Andrew Booth29 Regular
338 messages
joined Mar 2012
#7 ·
That’s probably true, but you don't necessarily need to jump straight to pulling the "moderator objectivity" card. There's a whole handful of threads out there that just relentlessly bash the Democratic Party and its members—people who have been living in this ecosystem for years. Besides, you have to keep in mind that a moderator doesn't exactly have an infinite amount of free time, especially when a few volatile topics hit all at once (like this current one regarding Ivo Sanader). Even I'll occasionally shut down a thread without any explanation; if I actually have a spare second, I’ll usually drop a link to a similar existing thread, but that only works until someone digs up some old, buried topic. Often, what comes across as a moderator being "arrogant" is really just someone trying to manage things in a hurry.
Ryan Vaughn7 Ryan Vaughn7 Active Member
154 messages
joined Jul 2009
#8 ·
Sarah James93 said:On Reddit, you see it all the time. The mods will lock a thread and leave this explanation behind—which, let’s be honest, is often pretty cryptic. Usually, though, their reasoning makes some kind of sense to me. But I just ran into one specific explanation for a locked thread that actually left me feeling a bit... unsettled. 😕

So, this user started a thread titled "Democratic Party bickering," and here’s what they said: "Lately, I've been getting my blood pressure up just listening to all this Democratic Party bickering. They're acting like everyone in the Republican Party knew everything all along... like they were supposed to report it sooner or something..."
What is actually going on with the Democratic Party and their own version of Ivo Sanader? I’m looking specifically at guys like Milan Bandić, whom the Democrats practically worshipped just as much as the Republicans loved their Sanader. Why hasn't the Democratic Party handed over the evidence to the FBI regarding Bandić, Ljubičić, and the rest of their own little circle of corruption? Or are we just waiting a few months for them to claim they had no idea what was happening? It'll be the same old story—acting oblivious to things that any sane person already knows. Let's face it: in America, every single county and every city with more than 20,000 people seems to have its own local version of Sanader or Bandić running the show.

To be honest, I’ve never actually joined a political party...

Shortly after that, the moderator shut the whole thread down. Their reasoning? "It honestly drives my blood pressure through the roof when someone starts a thread just because they're having a blood pressure spike."

The reasoning behind that explanation feels completely absurd to me. It makes it sound like the moderator just gets annoyed whenever someone starts a thread because they’re personally triggered or bothered by the subject matter. But honestly? That’s exactly why a ton of people on Reddit open threads and don't close them. If that were actually the rule, it would feel like a different motive is at play here.

I rarely find myself checking out the politics section, so I’m honestly not very well-versed in how things actually work over there. I can't tell if this specific topic is already being debated in another thread, if we've already beaten it to death, or if this particular user just has a reputation for stirring the pot... or something like that.
If that was the case, they could have just phrased it that way instead of saying: "It makes my blood pressure rise when someone starts a thread just because their blood pressure rose."
I honestly can't find a single decent reason for locking this thread. Looking at that sentence, all I get is a sense of moderator whimsy and pure ego. Now, I’m not saying that’s actually what’s happening here—it’s just the impression I’m left with.

Could they not have explained the decision to close this thread in a way that felt a little more reasonable and easier to swallow?

There’s a certain group of people on the politics subreddits who seem to think they can just drop a brand-new thread whenever the mood strikes. It doesn't matter if they just joined or if they only show up once a month; they just dive in without checking the rules or seeing if the topic was already covered. They don't really stop to think before hitting "post" on every single random thought that crosses their mind. It’s become a pattern. One week, the Democratic Party is bickering about Ivo Sanader, then the next week it's something else entirely, and the week before that, it was a different issue altogether. Now, the Republican Party is doing the exact same thing—ranting about one thing this week, something else last week, and something else the week before. You honestly can't have a separate discussion for every single fleeting thought someone has. We've explained this a thousand times already. Honestly, if you spent more time actually reading the political boards, you'd realize how repetitive this gets. Believe me, I really don't want to write the same explanation for the thousand-and-first time. So, when someone opens a thread just because their blood pressure spiked over a headline, I’m going to close it. Same reason every time.
Thanks to Andrew Booth29 for jumping in while I was still trying to reach the County Prefect.
Jeffrey Nguyen2 Jeffrey Nguyen2 MemberOP
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joined May 2010
#9 ·
Ryan Vaughn7 said:You can't just start a new thread for every single random thought that pops into someone's head.

I get that, and I actually agree—if we didn't have rules like that, this place would be an unreadable mess.
But if there’s already a thread covering this specific topic, there’s no need to make a new one. Besides, this current thread seems solid to me, and I think it could actually pull in more people to join the conversation.
Ryan Vaughn7 said:Look, we've explained this a thousand times already (honestly, if you followed political news more often, you'd probably get it by now), and we aren't about to sit here and write the same thing for the thousand-and-first time.

Does that mean newcomers aren't allowed to weigh in on politics? Are discussions reserved strictly for the "old guard" who have been around forever?

Is it really that much harder to just say, "Hey, we've discussed this before," or "There's already a similar thread," rather than acting like, "It drives my blood pressure through the roof when someone starts a new thread because it stresses me out"? To me, that kind of attitude comes off as incredibly arrogant.

Moderators are supposed to be here to guide the discussion constructively and keep things civil... and they should be the first ones setting that standard.
Is it actually "civil" or "well-argued" to just shut down a thread by saying, "My blood pressure rises whenever someone opens a thread because it raises my blood pressure"?
Jose Barrett Jose Barrett Member
48 messages
joined Jun 2009
#10 ·
So why bother with this pointless Republican Party is such a modest party

The thread opened on December 10th, it’s got ten posts, and every single one of them is either idiotic or just trolling (take your pick).
The whole thing stems from some ridiculous comment by A. Hebrang—something so trivial it managed to pull in ten replies in two days—but hey, if we're all just here to bash the Republican Party, I guess any topic works.

Bravo! 👍
Hannah Wright4 Hannah Wright4 Newcomer
2 messages
joined Apr 2012
#11 ·
Sarah James93, thanks for having my back. I’m actually the one who started this thread before "that guy" went ahead and shut it down. Ryan Vaughn7, regarding what you just said—if Faruk from that show *The Art of Being Normal* were here, he’d probably tell you to "cut the crap." You’re claiming there are tons of similar threads out there? Look, this whole thing is about stuff that happened within the last few days, maybe even since last week, so there weren't any old threads where I could just dump this info. Plus, when you jump into a thread with 105 pages of people just skimming headlines without really seeing what you're trying to say... it gets messy. Since you wanted to get critical with me, let me throw some criticism back your way: maybe be a bit smarter and change your handle. Seriously, Ryan Vaughn7????? A famous guitarist could probably sue you for defamation, copyright infringement, or unauthorized business use of a name. Honestly, those kinds of usernames are what seven-year-olds pick when they're kicking a ball around the neighborhood (like Bagio, Cristiano Ronaldo, or Lionel Messi). Anyway, cheers.

Sarah James93 — thanks again for the support. :-)
placidmarlin3 placidmarlin3 Member
45 messages
joined Apr 2013
#12 ·
Andrew Booth29 said:Look, this is a discussion board, not a personal diary... People come here to actually debate.
Take this thread (or something similar) for example; it gained immediate traction simply because the OP actually put some effort into setting the stage.

So, what’s your take on this one?

I have to admit, I found myself somewhat cornered by the arguments presented—not to mention the inevitable "guilty until proven innocent" vibe, which feels like a lingering hangover from certain eras of our supposed democracy and justice, or rather, lack thereof.

But then there’s this one:

When you see such blatant and aggressive efforts to favor the Democratic Party on a subforum where there are at least five threads targeting the Republican Party, it really makes you wonder about the organization of other topics. It creates this distinct impression that one moderator enjoys much more freedom than another. Without wanting to speculate on the internal politics of this site—which remains hidden behind the scenes from us average users—I think that in the spirit of true democracy and liberalism, we should exercise a bit more balance. Perhaps Ryan Vaughn7 could take a page out of his musical idol's book and step back slightly, allowing for sensitive topics to breathe, even if they aren't always pleasant to discuss. This shouldn't just apply to the Republican Party, but to the Democratic Party as well. As someone living in Washington, D.C., who also happened to be working under the Democratic Party's influence during those pivotal shifts in the early 2000s, I would love to discuss their governance styles as much as the usual Republican critiques—something my colleagues over at Berkshire Hathaway could certainly weigh in on. Since I believe that those who operate with integrity have nothing to fear from scrutiny, I don't see why threads regarding the Democratic Party can't exist without being wrapped in constant superlatives.😉

Oh, right, I almost forgot the mantra that probably won't save me after saying this:
I don't vote for the Republican Party, and I don't vote for the Democratic Party.
😉.
Charles Fox10 Charles Fox10 Regular
352 messages
joined Mar 2009
#13 ·
When, and by what exact process, did a moderator of this politics sub ever actually ban someone from starting a high-quality thread about anything within the scope of our politics section?

If you want to start a well-researched discussion regarding an American conglomerate based in Chicago, feel free.

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