Oral Sex Regulations on Music Forum

Howdy,

I’m just trying to gauge the vibe here regarding whether it's actually against the rules to tell another Forum member to go screw themselves—and yeah, I know, I feel a little awkward even typing that out, but that’s literally what was said and I'm not trying to sugarcoat anything—or if certain big-shot protagonists are somehow off-limits for that kind of talk,

Maybe I’m just sounding a bit rough, but trust me, I’ve been banned more times than I care to admit on other music boards, and I’ve never once told anyone to go kick rocks, so I'm genuinely curious 🙂.

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mellowraven22 said:The link is dead.

My bad, fixed it; no clue what went wrong with that one.

Dropping it here too just in case (and for the record, I only spoke up because I saw the mod step in and lock the thread instead of just nuking my post):

Mr. Wrong
punk theorist

Registration: Nov 2002.
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 15,925

they wiped my post before driftingeagle27 even had a chance to see me telling him where to shove it
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By then, that post will be total garbage.

mellowraven22 said:Meanwhile, that post was already archived.

Maybe it got archived because I stepped in, but before that, it just sat there unarchived for hours in a locked thread.

Time is pretty much relative 🙂 anyway.

Honestly, I can't stand when a thread just gets shut down the second things get messy; a moderator should actually be there to moderate the conversation instead of just killing it and stopping any real discussion from happening whenever a problem pops up.

That isn't a discussion, it's just trolling. I’m not opening that thread. Let the man rest in peace.

Things are just getting messier, and honestly, it’s a good thing an admin is stepping in because this has crossed a line into being pretty serious.

First off, this lie about me and Canadian people needs to be wiped from this Forum immediately. Spreading blatant falsehoods on such a sensitive topic—especially regarding something that happened privately outside of this space—is probably grounds for a lawsuit.

On top of that, you've got a moderator (Ponor) coming in and swearing at me and throwing insults my way. In my book, that's just not how things work.

Then there's another moderator (stormywolf39) who actually agrees that I should... well, I'm not going to repeat what they said, just look above. It's completely unacceptable to me, and all of this combined really makes you question the actual quality of the Music section moderation.

Look, it’s your Forum, and I’m "just" a user. I get that I can’t exactly demand much of anything here, other than maybe deciding that I shouldn't even bother showing up since the whole scene has become so ugly...

...But this stuff about Canada has to go. This isn't just some petty back-and-forth playground argument; it goes way beyond basic forum etiquette. We're talking about someone publicly spreading lies about a member on a highly sensitive subject regarding something that happened offline.

Please, at least show some decency regarding this.

Will you just stop whining already? You show up to music threads you don't even listen to—topics you clearly don't care about—just so you can troll and start fights. Then, because people get worked up by your nonsense, they end up getting banned. It's ridiculous.
And if you haven't noticed, there are only two people on this Forum calling out the Music moderators, and you're one of them. Enough is enough.

swiftmaker20 said:Just quit whining already.

Go ahead and vent to the locals, the neighborhood thugs, or whatever crew you used to watch sheep with on some random hill out in the sticks, I really don't care. Just don't expect that kind of back-and-forth with me.

Anyway, I noticed those private lies about Canadians were deleted and then brought right back, so what's the deal with that? Is there even anyone at the helm here, or are we just flying blind?

Things just keep getting weirder by the second.

hollowtrucker77 said:The mods won't tolerate any insults on this Forum, and if someone starts trolling, they'll deal with that person and their posts directly
they've got warnings, bans, and even partial bans ready to go

I don't trust the Rock Music mods for a second, personally. What about you guys?...

... whatever works for you.

If you're all fine with people taking private, off-site conversations and data just to twist them and weaponize them here on the Forum, and having mods basically tell users to go screw themselves, then I'm sensing some serious trouble brewing.

driftingeagle27 said:plus the mods are basically telling everyone on Reddit to just suck it up, etc. I’m guessing things might get pretty messy soon.

The mod didn't actually say that, and he got banned for claiming he did.

swiftmaker20 said:The mod didn't say anything, and he actually got banned for it.

The first guy was a mod, and the current mod explicitly said they agree with him.

Keep up, mods.

The first guy who spoke up already got what was coming to him, and as for the second thing... I guess I can't really help you there.

swiftmaker20 said:The first guy who spoke up already got banned, and there isn't much I can do about the other thing.

I guess someone out there might know.

Hopefully this stays a decent enough subreddit, despite the absolute disaster currently happening with the Music mod team.

Notice the subtle difference between someone who just swears at you directly and someone who agrees with the sentiment while also backing the punishment for that person. I’m keeping my right to an opinion, but as a moderator, I won't directly call it out. You, on the other hand, might want to stop being such a self-absorbed troll who constantly lectures everyone else like they're idiots. That's just as insulting—if not more so—than a direct insult, especially since you wrap it up in this hypocritical "civil discourse" bullshit. If you keep this up, you might find 90% of the Reddit users and music mods banning you on sight, voting you down, or just telling you where to shove it 😉

stormywolf39 said:Notice that subtle distinction between someone who insults you to your face and someone who just agrees with the insult while also calling for that person to be punished. I reserve the right to my own opinion, though as a moderator, I won't explicitly highlight it. On the other hand, you could stop being such a self-important troll who constantly lectures everyone else like they're idiots—which is just as offensive, if not more, than an outright insult, especially since it’s always hypocritically wrapped in this fancy "civil discourse" cellophane. If you did, maybe 90% of the users and music mods wouldn't ban you at the first opportunity, give you partial credit, or just tell you to go screw yourself 😉

Basically, you can actually be insulted to death on this Reddit; all you have to do is let someone say something nasty directly, then the mod leaves it up long enough for you to see what was said, and then that person might get punished later—but only if they complain. Meanwhile, everyone else—including the mods—can sit there agreeing while they're shaking in their boots. And if you complain about it, you end up looking like, "What's his problem? The first guy got punished, and this guy isn't even being direct." But it's the exact same thing. It's the same old bullshit.

It's so transparent I don't even know if it's worth calling it perfidious.

Whether I'm a troll on a Music sub like this or not is something worth talking about. In the context of there being zero actual meaningful discussion about music here, anyone trying to start one easily gets labeled a troll, and the mods who shut those attempts down act like heroes for some cheeky, cheery clique that took over, reacting to every single thought with mockery or insults.

If I'm a troll because this bothers me—because I can't stand seeing off-topic stuff brought in, especially in such a distorted way, and most importantly, because moderation approves of it—then I'm spending more posts lately on this quest for justice and decency, if nothing else, than on the kind of discussions this Reddit is supposedly meant for, then fine, call me a troll.

So, the question is, what's the point? Personally, I think a Reddit should have room for casual hanging out, sure, but it should also provide conditions for actual substance that would include people who aren't part of that established clique, people who aren't just there to feel accepted as part of some social circle with a specific... sense of humor.

I mean, it can stay like this, but maybe the sub shouldn't be called Music, but rather something like "The Breakroom."

It's like, basically the brutal rules of elementary school socialization at the end of history, so good luck navigating that... Though even then, there should probably be someone watching to see what's actually going down.

1. Person A punches Person B in the face and ends up behind bars. Person C chimed in saying they’d have done the exact same thing in Person A's shoes. Does Person C go to jail too?

2. You can't have a constructive debate when one person walks in acting like an absolute authority on everything—especially when they drop lines like "modern music is trash, the 90s were better" or "what do you young indie posers know about punk?" directed at people who have been hitting punk shows for twenty years.

3. Let's be real, 99% of the time, the Non-Political topics aren't even moderated.

stormywolf39 said:Person A clocks Person B in the head and ends up behind bars, then Person C pipes up saying they would’ve done the exact same thing if they were in that spot. Does Person C get hauled off to jail too?

I guess the analogy holds some water, though I'm not entirely sold on it.

Maybe Person C won't end up behind bars, but I'm honestly not convinced they have any business sitting on the bench as a judge.

stormywolf39 said:You can't exactly spark a productive conversation when you're dealing with someone who walks around thinking they're some kind of untouchable expert on everything.

Unfounded? What, am I supposed to pull some official certificate out of my ass to prove I’m right? I’m just laying out my thoughts exactly how they are, and if you guys actually had the chops, you could try doing the same instead of whining about it. That's literally what Reddit is for.

stormywolf39 said:And especially not those threads where people whine about how modern music sucks and everything was just better back in '93.

Just because I think things used to be better doesn't mean I actually believe everything today is a total dumpster fire—and honestly, does it always have to be that vulgar? Even if my take on older music being superior is completely off base, there's no reason why saying it should be considered taboo, though we really ought to be debating that over on the Music subreddit instead of wasting time here.

stormywolf39 said:Or maybe it’s more like, "what do you modern indie posers actually know about real punk," aimed right at those kids who think they're hardcore just because they showed up to a show.

I’m not even sure if you actually nailed that paraphrase, but I get where you're coming from. It feels pretty surreal to me that someone claiming to be a massive alternative fan—especially after twenty years of listening to this stuff—wouldn't have a decent idea of what a Sex Pistols, Black Flag, Butthole Surfers, or early Flaming Lips show actually felt like.

stormywolf39 said:3. Honestly, the mods don't even touch NP topics 99% of the time

Look, first off, if they're gonna let it slide, they should probably just slap a warning on the thread so people know what they're getting into.

More importantly, when things actually fall into that 1% category, it’s basically just straight-up trolling—especially when people start leaking details about users' lives outside of Reddit without any consent, and usually making stuff up just to be malicious.