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Vibes are immaculate in the Music subforum

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Dennis Hall41 Dennis Hall41 Active MemberOP
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#1 ·
So I start this thread, some pseudo-cockney groover just vomits all over the topic without even leaving a comment—which honestly deserves a ban, though he didn't get one—and then (I highly doubt it, but still) reports me to the mods for being "redundant" (not that he seemed that way to me), leading to him getting banned. Meanwhile, we've got another thread that’s supposed to be dedicated to one specific genre, but it’s turned into a total chaotic mess of random chatter—which isn't even mentioned in the title—yet nobody gets penalized for it.

Can someone please explain this weird, totally backwards way of moderating?
swiftmaker20 swiftmaker20 Member
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joined Aug 2009
#2 ·
Music Subforum Rules - read this! said:Certain types of threads have been "chewed over" way too many times in the Music subforum. Don't start them again, or they'll be closed or deleted regardless of how well you write them.

That includes:
- debates on how people can listen to certain stuff (country music, Justin Timberlake, Rolling Stones...)
- all-time top lists for any genre (best/favorite bands, songs, albums, guitarists...)
- random lists of everything (what song wakes you up, what song is playing on your phone...)

And regarding that pseudo-Cockney nonsense, I guess I don't see why he didn't get banned.

while on the other hand there's a thread that should be dedicated to one specific genre, but it's just turned into mindless chatter (which isn't even in the title), and nobody is punishing it

Which topic are you talking about?
wiredharbor22 wiredharbor22 Active Member
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#3 ·
swiftmaker20 said:As for Pseudo-Cockney, I have no idea why he wasn't banned...

Well, users aren't typically banned just for trolling or ignoring threads that don't make much sense and are about to be closed anyway... 🤷

Which thread are you talking about?

I assume you mean Pitchfork vs Rolling Stone.
Dennis Hall41 Dennis Hall41 Active MemberOP
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#4 ·
swiftmaker20 said:...

Hmm.

Then what's the point of having a "Latest Now Playing" thread? To me, it feels totally useless—not really worth discussing since, honestly, who cares what I'm spinning at any given second?
Or even more recent—that thread listing the best albums of the decade?

One's just a repetitive loop, while the other is closer to what I was actually trying to do—creating a space to swap stories about more niche, underground music.

The second part of my question was about that Rolling Stone vs trash debate being pushed in the chat—which isn't even in the description, so people are straight-up breaking the rules. Meanwhile, posts get nuked and people get flagged for trolling constantly on other threads for doing the exact same thing.
swiftmaker20 swiftmaker20 Member
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#5 ·
The Music subforum actually has a few different chat threads—they're basically just for talking about stuff that doesn't even have to be about music.
They are:
Latest NP (NP = Now Playing) - this is where everyone posts what they're listening to right now, and it's pretty much our main hangout. You can talk about whatever.
Pitchfork vs Garbage - a thread for everything else. It's the "Now Playing" spot for prog rockers, extremists, and teenagers.
Personal Top Lists - a place to dump all your rankings, whether they're about music or just random life stuff.
Personal Ratings - a thread for rating anything and everything, musical or otherwise.
Dreams - a place to recount dreams, usually the ones where other people from the Music forum show up.

Let's try this again.
Dennis Hall41 Dennis Hall41 Active MemberOP
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#6 ·
swiftmaker20 said:Let's try this again.

http://forum.us/showthread.php?t=279236

Fine.
And?

So why don't we just shut down everything except those five specific threads—basically cramming all the prog-rock, black metal (and every other genre), comparisons of Pitchfork's or even Christgau's lists against our own, discussions about fascists, minors, and even those Bruce Springsteen style threads—into those same five spots?

I mean, what else is a thread about a band or singer actually going to be about if it isn't listing songs and albums, trying to rate them, and throwing some emojis at them?
I get that rules exist, but there are nuances.
Paul Davis51 Paul Davis51 Member
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joined Nov 2006
#7 ·
Dennis Hall41 said:The second half of my inquiry concerns that absolute garbage thread titled Pitchfork vs. Rolling Stone which has been promoted within the chat topic despite being nowhere to be found in its official description; we are witnessing a massive violation of the rules here, especially considering how posts are being deleted and users are being handed penalty cards for trolling on an hourly basis in other threads for doing the exact same thing.

🤮
Dennis Hall41 Dennis Hall41 Active MemberOP
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#8 ·
Paul Davis51 said:🤮

You broke a rule, but don't sweat it.

Judging by your profile pic—it looks like life's treating you pretty well.
swiftmaker20 swiftmaker20 Member
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#9 ·
Dennis Hall41 said:OK.
Me?

Maybe learn how the rules actually work.

Dennis Hall41 said:So why don't we just lock everything down except those five specific threads and shove all the prog-rock, black metal (and basically every other genre), comparisons of Pitchfork's (or I don't know, Christgau's) lists against ours, fascists, minors, and even those Bruce Springsteen style threads—which mostly just end up being lists of favorite songs or albums—into those same five threads?

I mean, what else is a thread about a band or singer supposed to be if it isn't listing tracks or albums, trying to rate them, and throwing in some emojis?
I get that there are rules, but there are nuances too.

And yeah, those "nuances" are entirely up to the mods. They decided the thread was turning into just another mindless chatroom and shut it down. If you hate that kind of attitude, maybe just don't post in that subforum. Problem solved. What am I even supposed to say?
Dennis Hall41 Dennis Hall41 Active MemberOP
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#10 ·
swiftmaker20 said:And there it is—the mods are clearly playing favorites.

Solidarity in action, I guess; I’ve actually got a valid point here too.

swiftmaker20 said:If you hate that mindset so much, just stop posting in that subforum and call it a day.

Nah, I think I'll stay right here.
Plus, whenever I feel like it—even if I'm totally wrong—I'm gonna start an appeal thread or vent here.
Just because I can.
swiftmaker20 swiftmaker20 Member
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joined Aug 2009
#11 ·
I didn't tell you to stop writing. Actually, it’s the opposite. But if it's getting under your skin, maybe just skip it and move on. That's all.
fadedowl fadedowl Member
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joined Dec 2006
#12 ·
Dennis Hall41 said:I start a thread, some pseudo-cockney groover vomits all over the topic without leaving a single actual comment—which deserves a ban, though I don't think he got one—and then (I highly doubt it, but still) reports him to the mods for being redundant (he didn't seem redundant to me), so they shut it down...

Look, I didn't lock that thread, nor did I get any email report about it, but regardless
it might have been more diplomatic—and frankly, a better solution—to give the OP a warning for breaking subforum rules (30 points) while giving the guy who vomited spam a penalty for spamming (10 points)

As for the thread itself, given how it was set up (just a list of songs, no links, no descriptions, nothing), it’s hard to see it resulting in anything other than just a list. My experience has shown that repeatedly...
I believe that was the moderator's assessment when they closed it (which aligns with my own view)

The OP actually has the power to decide how to make his thread constructive and compliant with the rules. For instance, look at this topic
where guidelines are established—like forbidding one-sentence posts or lists, requiring a link or a brief description of the song/band to encourage discussion, etc. If those are set, the mod will follow them

All those other listing threads that exist because they were opened before the rules were implemented are still hanging around, mostly populated by people who aren't regular visitors to the subforum. If we started closing those too, I suspect there would be plenty of complaints—those are the nuances > is talking about. The rules were made to prune those types of threads and boost the quality of the first kind
Of course, you can't please everyone

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Regarding the Pitchfork vs Rolling Stone thread, it was actually ranked in the top 10 most popular threads on American forums. It's become such a cult classic that people even tried to rip it off in neighboring countries. I think we should strive to keep it exactly as it is😬
Dennis Hall41 Dennis Hall41 Active MemberOP
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#13 ·
fadedowl said:regarding the topic—since it’s just a list of songs without links or descriptions—it's probably not going to turn into anything more than a dry list. I've seen this happen countless times before...
I think that's why the mod shut it down—which, honestly, is how I'd have handled it too.

The OP actually has the power to make their own thread constructive and follow the rules—like they did in this topic
if you set some ground rules—like saying "no one-sentence posts" or "try to include a link or a quick description of the band to get a discussion going"—then the mod will totally respect that.

Fine.

Just one simple question: how many people actually start threads like that?
fadedowl fadedowl Member
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joined Dec 2006
#14 ·
Dennis Hall41 said:Just one simple question: how many people actually start threads this way?

I can't give you an exact figure since I have no way of knowing, but honestly, I wish there were more of them...
It happens quite often—I'll close a thread via DM and tell someone they should put a bit more effort into their opening post so they actually get a response, only to be met with some "whatever" or "do what you want" attitude. It's frustrating.

Then again, this version of the forum has been running for seven years now, so it’s perfectly natural that all sorts of junk has piled up over time. I once tried to move all the useless or low-quality threads to the trash just to clean up the subforum and make it easier to purge the insults and spam later, plus tidy up those initial posts... but the admin basically threw it right back in my face.
Since I—and all the other moderators here—are essentially volunteers, and I rarely have much free time anyway, I eventually realized it wasn't worth wasting my energy like that. It’s just too massive a task. So, nowadays, I just moderate as things come up, sort of on the fly.

The only thing left on my plate is finishing that new list of threads organized by artist, which means I still have about 50 pages of the subforum to sift through.
Michelle Alvarez8 Michelle Alvarez8 Regular
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joined Nov 2015
#15 ·
fadedowl said:As for that Pitchfork vs topic—it actually made the list of top 10 trending threads on major American forums, so...

The KKK? Please. Honestly, this whole article smells like a paid ad or some blatant promo for our favorite little forum.
fadedowl fadedowl Member
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joined Dec 2006
#16 ·
Not intended, I assumed it was obvious I wasn't being serious 😬

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