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Cruising (1980)

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Grace Doyle Grace Doyle MemberOP
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#1 ·
I started this thread so we could talk about the movie—it’s airing this Thursday on HBO—but for some reason, the mods moved it over to the Movies on FTV section, where discussing films is actually banned... 👎

Al Pacino film series: Cruising, American film (18)
(CRUISING, 1980.)

HBO 2 10.24.2007 11:35 PM

Drama. New York City. After several bodies of gay men are found brutally murdered, the police realize they're dealing with a serial killer. Lacking any real leads, but noticing the victims share similar physical traits, Captain Edelson (Paul Sorvino) decides to turn an officer with a similar look, Steve Burns (Al Pacino), into an undercover detective to infiltrate gay circles. Burns takes the job, but without telling his girlfriend Nancy (Karen Allen) what's really happening, he moves out of their shared apartment and into a gritty building where his first neighbors happen to be gay. Burns immediately starts hitting the local hangouts, but the killer strikes twice more before the police can catch on. Finding himself backed into a corner, the detective begins to face a massive identity crisis...

Filmed during the twilight of the so-called New Hollywood era, the Hollywood crime drama "Cruising" remains one of the most controversial works in American cinematic history. Based on the novel by Gerald Walker, the film—written by and directed by William Friedkin—stands as a monument to the liberalism of 1970s American cinema, which would eventually give way to conservatism during the Reagan era. At the time, one of America's most prestigious filmmakers, Friedkin, tackled homosexual themes in a way rarely seen, drawing fire from conservatives who couldn't stomach the graphic scenes, and liberals who disliked the blunt portrayal of the gay community as something dangerous and sickly. To be fair, Friedkin didn't paint the gay population in rosy colors, but he was just as merciless toward his other characters—so instead of accusing him of homophobia, you might be better off accusing him of misanthropy. The legendary American actor Al Pacino (The Godfather, Scent of Women, Heat, Wake Up) delivers one of his most unusual and demanding performances in "Cruising." Due to its extreme violence and scenes of male intimacy that were quite provocative for mainstream cinema at the time, "Cruising" faced significant trouble with censors. This year, twenty-seven years after its premiere, it’s seeing a limited theatrical re-release and a DVD debut.

* Runtime: 98 min.
* Cast: Al Pacino, Paul Sorvino, Karen Allen, Richard Cox, Don Scardino
* Screenplay: William Friedkin (based on the novel by Gerald Walker)
* Director: William Friedkin

Watched it for the first time recently—decent start, but the second half gets pretty messy and confusing, almost as if they had to rush to the finish line...
driftingsailor59 driftingsailor59 Newcomer
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#2 ·
Joshua Jones97 said:I actually started this thread specifically to spark some discussion about this film. It’s scheduled to air on TV this Thursday, but for some inexplicable reason, the moderators moved the topic over to the TV Movies section, where discussing films is strictly prohibited 👎

Al Pacino film series: Cruising, an American film(18)
(CRUISING, 1980.)

HBO 2 10.24.2007. 23:35

Drama. New York City. After several bodies of gay men are discovered brutally murdered, the police realize they are hunting a serial killer. Lacking any solid leads or forensic breakthroughs, but noticing a physical pattern among the victims, Captain Edelson (Paul Sorvino) decides to take a police officer who fits the profile, Steve Burns (Al Pacino), turn him into an undercover detective to infiltrate gay social circles. Burns accepts the assignment, but without revealing the true nature of his mission to his girlfriend Nancy (Karen Allen), he moves out of their shared apartment and into a gritty building where his first neighbors happen to be gay. Burns immediately begins frequenting gay hangouts, but the killer strikes twice more before the police can even get a foothold. Finding himself backed into a corner, the detective begins to spiral into a profound identity crisis...

Filmed during the twilight of what many call "New Hollywood," the Hollywood crime drama "Cruising" remains one of the most controversial works in American cinematic history. Based on the novel by Gerald Walker, the film—written and directed by William Friedkin—stands as a monument to the sheer liberalism of 1970s American cinema, a period that would eventually give way to the conservatism of the Reagan era just a decade later. During that time, one of America's most prominent filmmakers, Friedkin, tackled homosexual themes in a way rarely seen on screen, drawing fire from both sides: conservatives were repulsed by the explicit scenes, while liberals bristled at the depiction of the gay community as a dangerous and diseased underworld. To be fair, Friedkin didn't paint the gay population in rose-colored hues, but he was equally merciless toward all his characters; if anything, rather than accusing him of homophobia, one might more accurately charge him with misanthropy. The legendary American actor Al Pacino (The Godfather, Scent of Women, Heat, Wake Up) delivers one of his most unconventional and demanding performances in "Cruising." Due to its intense violence and depictions of male intimacy that pushed the boundaries of mainstream cinema, "Cruising" faced significant battles with censors. Now, twenty-seven years after its premiere, it has seen a limited theatrical re-release and a DVD debut.

* Runtime: 98 min.
* Cast: Al Pacino, Paul Sorvino, Karen Allen, Richard Cox, Don Scardino
* Screenplay: William Friedkin (based on the novel by Gerald Walker)
* Director: William Friedkin

I watched it for the first time recently. A decent start, but the second half feels quite muddled and disorganized, almost as if they were rushed into a hasty conclusion.


Watching the film for the first time, there's that one scene involving the handkerchiefs... anyone who has actually sat through this movie knows exactly what I'm talking about. Every film I watch stays with me because of a specific moment, and for this one, it's that scene. Around the same time this came out, Frankie Goes to Hollywood released the "Relax" video; to me, this whole movie feels like a 98-minute version of "Relax."
redorca11 redorca11 Member
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#3 ·
Hey guys, where did you manage to track down the film?

It’s one of those rare Pacino films I haven't seen yet, and I'm incredibly eager to watch it. Honestly, I’m just thrilled that one of our major networks finally decided to dignify the schedule by airing it. 👍
driftingsailor59 driftingsailor59 Newcomer
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#4 ·
Well, you'll be seeing plenty of that on HBO 2, since B'stard was the one who wrote it.
Grace Doyle Grace Doyle MemberOP
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#5 ·
driftingsailor59 said:well, you'll be on HBO 2—that bastard wrote it...

It's B'STARD! 😁
driftingsailor59 driftingsailor59 Newcomer
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#6 ·
My mistake 🙏
driftingsailor59 driftingsailor59 Newcomer
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#7 ·
If you're actually interested in that kind of subject matter, you might want to check out
Querelle. I haven't personally sat down to watch it, but you can find all the details on IMDb here: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0084565/
. It's a work by the renowned German director Rainer Werner Fassbinder... (Marlene)
Kevin Scott37 Kevin Scott37 Member
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#8 ·
Even though I’m a fan of Fassbinder, Querelle just doesn't hold a candle to Cruising.
It isn't even about the subject matter; we're talking about one of the greatest films ever made 🙏
Joshua Jones97 is right: the movie is definitely misanthropic.
Personally, I felt the beginning dragged a little bit, but things really start looking up toward the end.
Another thing is that the arrested killer clearly isn't actually the murderer...
The whole plot is full of holes and logical inconsistencies...
The premise follows a hand floating down a river, searching for a killer who massacres his victims. Yet, during the entire film, not a single victim is actually massacred or tossed into the river...
It truly remains one of the most controversial films out there...
brightcobra91 brightcobra91 Member
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#9 ·
I'm seriously dying to see 👋 😍
if they could just air And Justice for All, Scarecrow, or Bobby Deerfield once in a while...
has any of that ever actually been shown 🤷
Grace Doyle Grace Doyle MemberOP
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#10 ·
brightcobra91 said:I can't wait for 👋 😍
if they would just air And Justice for All, Scarecrow, or Bobby Deerfield once...
has any of those ever been shown 🤷

I don't think Scarecrow was... it's an excellent film.
Walter Fowler53 Walter Fowler53 Active Member
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#11 ·
brightcobra91 said:can't wait for 👋 😍
if they'd just air And Justice for All, Scarecrow, or Bobby Deerfield once...
has any of that ever aired 🤷

Yeah, saw it on FTV about 2 or 3 years ago during a Pacino film series—Scarecrow, Bobby, and Cruising. Caught the first two, still waiting on this one 😳 😁
brightcobra91 brightcobra91 Member
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#12 ·
Walter Fowler53 said:I remember seeing this on FTV about 2 or 3 years back during that Pacino film series—watched the first two, including Scarecrow and Bobby Deerfield—now I'm just waiting for 😳 😁


I hate you 😁
but man, I'd love to watch that 🙂
Grace Doyle Grace Doyle MemberOP
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#13 ·
Watching some TV tonight.
I wonder if Chris from the office will be tuning in... 🤣
Charles Smith4 Charles Smith4 Member
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#14 ·
Awesome—can't wait. I absolutely love Al Pacino (I mean, who doesn't?), and I haven't seen this movie yet.

It isn't exactly cited as one of the highlights of Pacino's career, but I'm still surprised it actually snagged three Golden Raspberry nominations (worst director, screenplay, and cinematography).
redorca11 redorca11 Member
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#15 ·
brightcobra91 said:I am counting down the days until they finally air 👋 😍
if they would just broadcast and Justice for All, Scarecrow, or Bobby Deerfield for once...
has any of that actually been shown 🤷

I recently caught about half of Scarecrow on Turner Classic Movies via satellite... everything I saw was fantastic, but it’s incredibly frustrating that I missed the opening.
Furthermore, I am eagerly anticipating seeing Bobby Deerfield, Revolution, and Justice for All, along with Panic in Needle Park... 😢 🙂

I am genuinely looking forward to tonight...

By the way, I believe there has been a misunderstanding. I asked Joshua Jones97 and the Consiglieri where they had watched the movie recently, because as far as I am aware, it hasn't been aired locally lately, nor is it even available on DVD yet... I assume they must have downloaded it online... 🙂
Kevin Scott37 Kevin Scott37 Member
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#16 ·
Charles Smith4 said:It’s not exactly cited as one of the absolute peaks of Pacino's career, but I'm still pretty shocked that the movie actually snagged three Golden Raspberry nominations (for worst director, screenplay, and cinematography).

I honestly can't decide which was worse—Pacino's acting, the screenplay, the direction, or the camera work 🙏

Who even are these Golden Raspberry losers??! 😂 😂 😂
brightcobra91 brightcobra91 Member
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#17 ·
Who actually figured this one out? Like, who actually killed the neighbor? I am totally lost here 😁
Can someone please explain this to me? 😳
brightcobra91 brightcobra91 Member
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#18 ·
Joshua Jones97 said:I actually started this thread just to chat about the movie—it’s airing on basic cable this Thursday—but for some weird reason, the mods moved it over to the TV Movies section, where we aren't even supposed to talk about movies! 👎

Al Pacino Film Cycle: Night Crawling, an American movie(18)
(CRUISING, 1980.)

USA Network 10.24.2007 11:35 PM

Drama. New York City. After several bodies of gay men are found brutally murdered, the police realize they're hunting a serial killer. With zero solid leads, Captain Edelson (Paul Sorvino) notices the victims share similar physical traits and decides to turn an undercover cop, Steve Burns (Al Pacino), into a detective to infiltrate the gay community. Burns takes the job, but without telling his girlfriend Nancy (Karen Allen) what's really going on, he moves out of their shared apartment and into a shady building where his first neighbors happen to be gay. Burns immediately starts hitting the local hangouts, but the killer strikes twice more before the cops can catch a break. Finding himself backed into a corner, the detective begins to face a massive identity crisis...

Filmed during the twilight of the so-called "New Hollywood" era, the Hollywood crime drama "Night Crawling" stands as one of the most controversial pieces in American cinematic history. Based on the novel by Gerald Walker, the movie—written by both screenwriter and director William Friedkin—serves as a monument to the liberalism of 1970s American cinema, which eventually gave way to conservatism during the Reagan era. Back then, one of America's most prominent filmmakers, Friedkin, tackled homosexual themes in a way rarely seen, drawing fire from conservatives who couldn't stomach the graphic scenes, and from liberals who disliked the blunt portrayal of the gay scene as something dangerous and sickly. To be fair, Friedkin doesn't paint the gay population in a rosy light, but he’s just as ruthless with the other characters, so instead of calling him homophobic, you might be better off accusing him of misanthropy. Great American actor Al Pacino (Godfather, Scent of Women, Heat, Awaken) delivers one of his most unusual and demanding performances in "Night Crawling." Because of the intense violence and scenes of "male love" that were pretty explicit for mainstream cinema, "Night Crawling" faced major issues with censors. This year, it saw a limited theatrical re-release and a DVD launch, 27 years after its debut.

* Runtime: 98 min.
* Cast: Al Pacino, Paul Sorvino, Karen Allen, Richard Cox, Don Scardino
* Screenplay: William Friedkin (based on the novel by Gerald Walker)
* Director: William Friedkin

I just watched it for the first time recently—decent start, but the ending gets super messy and confusing, almost like they had to rush to wrap it up.


True story😁
brightcobra91 brightcobra91 Member
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#19 ·
Just wanted to mention I was cracking up during two specific scenes 😳 — Al Pacino's dance 🤣 and that guy absolutely wrecking the other dude during the interrogation 🙏
anyone else 😁?
redorca11 redorca11 Member
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#20 ·
brightcobra91 said:Who actually caught onto this? Who killed the neighbor? I am completely lost here. 😁
Someone please explain this to me. 😳

I suspect it was the roommate/lover because he was consumed by jealousy over his relationship with Pacino... 😕

In short, I am just working my way through the remaining gaps in Pacino's filmography. My take on "Cruising"? Well, it was an interesting experience overall. It is a total departure from any other role Pacino has taken, and he certainly delivered. 🙂 It is definitely not his career-defining performance or movie, but it's solid enough. Generally speaking, I liked the film, though that ending was a mess... I found the whole killer subplot incredibly confusing. Did anyone else notice that the first killer (that curly-haired Slash look-alike who stabs the guy in the back while he's tied to the bed) ends up being a murder victim himself during that night in the park?!?

Angie, you aren't alone... I was laughing hysterically at that dance scene, just like I was at the part where Pacino lifts weights and draws on his eyebrows with a pencil before heading out to the club... 😁

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