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quietdriver3 said:harder problems = more complex special effects.

🤣 🤣 and if only poor Caine had actually realized this 👍 ...
it reminds me of Homer watching Scott Williams save someone on TV: 'Listen to that music, he's evil.'...😁
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though I think you're all missing the point about why Caine made that comment to get attention... if he really wanted the spotlight, he would have said: 'I think modern movies are a hundred times better than the old crap I used to star in.' Now *that* would have gotten him some real attention (and probably a meeting with a psychiatrist). 😁😁

Jose Miller17 said:this kind of reminds me of Homer watching Scott Pilgrim on TV right after someone gets saved: 'listen to that music, he's evil'... 😁

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Jose Miller17 said:though I guess you might be wrong about how Caine was trying to grab attention with that comment... if he actually wanted attention, he'd probably say: 'I think modern movies are a hundred times better than that old American crap I used to act in'... then he'd get some real attention (and maybe a visit from a psychiatrist too) 😁😁

well, he's just grumbling because he's such a grouch... I mean, who doesn't grumble? 😁 some old guy protesting that nobody helps anyone else on the subway would complain about movies just as much if anyone were actually listening to him. 😁

Maybe Caine didn't miss the mark as much as people think. It’s just standard for older, seasoned pros to look back and think everything used to be more artistic or meaningful...
It was the same deal when movies switched from silent films to sound—tons of legendary directors hated the idea, some even threatened to quit the industry altogether.
But look at us now. Would you actually rather sit through a live piano performance than just turn on the Dolby surround sound?
Personally, the future kinda creeps me out. There’s just so much garbage being made lately. And I don't mean the fun, campy trash like "Attack of the Killer Tomatoes," haha...

Is it actually true that all the decent cinema lately is coming from outside the States? Australia gave us gems like Zombie and Wolf Creek, then there's British Descent and Dog Soldier, the South Korean series Oldboy, that Thai shitter and Ong Bak, plus the French with Doberman, City of Lost Children, and Delicatessen, or the Spaniards with Day of the Beast, not to mention stuff like Doggy Love and your mother too... even we Americans are outclassing our own domestic productions when it comes to quality...

crimsonmoose3 said:But it’s true that lately, the good movies are all coming from outside the US. Australia gave us excellent films like Zombie and Wolf Creek, along with British Descent and Dog Soldier. Then there's the South Korean series Oldboy, the Thai shitter and Ong Bak, the French Doberman, City of Lost Children, and Delicatessen. Even the Spaniards have Day of the Beast, plus others like Doggy Love and your mama too... even we Americans are outperforming the locals in terms of cinematic quality.

Actually, great films still come from right here in the States. They just aren't coming out of Hollywood. Every so often, an indie gem pops up, like Brick..

Great films are still being made today; the problem is simply that nobody watches them. They don't have the massive advertising budgets that blockbusters rely on. How is anyone supposed to go see a movie if they haven't even heard of its existence? In America, an independent film won't even get a screening unless it’s absolutely flawless. Money is the only thing that matters these days, and I believe that’s exactly what Caine was getting at. If he wasn't, then he really should have 😁

nimbleskipper10 said:I honestly resent most people for lacking the sheer grit required to sit through anything even slightly challenging.

But what is the actual incentive for anyone to seek out demanding cinema in the first place?

Great films are still being produced today; it's just that nobody bothers to watch them.

I can't argue with that. There is an abundance of quality new releases out there, and the classics? Even more so. I find it baffling when people complain about limited options at the local multiplex or a shrinking selection on streaming services.
It’s as if digital media and home collections simply ceased to exist.

crimsonmoose3 said:But honestly, lately it feels like all the good movies are coming from outside the States. Australia gave us killer flicks like Zombie and Wolf Creek, then you've got British Descent and Dog Soldier, that South Korean series Oldboy, those Thai hits like Thai shitter and Ong Bak, French stuff like Doberman, City of Lost Children, and Delicatessen, plus Spanish movies like Day of the Beast, and even things like Doggy Love and your mom too... even we Americans are getting outclassed by international quality.

I’d throw in some older Korean stuff like Shiri, or the French movie Brotherhood of the Wolf, or anything by Almodovar. Those are way better in my book.
nah, it's not all just American crap, I just think if you're actually hunting for real cinema, you gotta look past the big Hollywood blockbusters.
how can you avoid it though? marketing is everywhere and it's massive. nobody cares about actual quality anymore, they just want mindless fun or some eye candy..

Alexander Morris25 said:I’d also throw in a few years of that old South Korean classic Shiri, or maybe the French film Brotherhood of the Wolf, or even some Almodovar... those rank much higher on my list of quality cinema.
It isn't all just American crap; I just think if you're actually hunting for true art, you have to look past the summer blockbusters.
How can you avoid it when the marketing is so omnipresent and aggressive? Nobody cares about actual quality anymore, they just want something flashy or mindless entertainment...

Please. There are decent ones, like X-Men 2. 🙏 🙏 🙏 I've watched that one fifteen times already—the action, the direction, the cast, the plot, the whole superhero vibe is executed perfectly. My only real gripe is how they handled Ladystrike and the lack of that iconic comic book dialogue, but it's still an excellent film. Whenever I need a spark for my own writing, I just revisit that scene where Pyro starts tossing spheres at those first two cops and tearing through the vehicles while Rogue drains his energy. 🙏 Then you have things like The Savior, Finding Nemo, or Spike Lee.

Yeah, Spike Lee is solid. I haven't seen Inside Man yet, but his older stuff hits way harder for me. 25th Hour, He Got Gamma, and obviously Malcolm X.
X-Men? That whole franchise is DEFINITELY the best comic book adaptation out there. The last Batman was alright, but I wish Nolan would step it up a bit more in certain spots—like with the Arkham scenes...

Sin City is easily one of the greatest comic book adaptations ever made.🙏 🙏 🙏Mickey Rourke was already a legend, but this film cemented his status...🙏 🙏

Dammit, did you seriously forget Sin City? I’ve got the DVD sitting right here by my monitor, and honestly, it sucks.
To be real, I wasn't a huge Mickey Rourke fan before this movie, but hey, everyone's entitled to their opinion. He absolutely crushed it in Sin City, though, just like most of the cast.
A few sequels are basically already lined up, right?

Yep, a sequel is coming soon, bringing back all those characters from the first one. 🙏 🙏 🙏

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0458481/

Both Angelina Jolie and Jessica Alba are in the cast.

Have you even seen Angel Heart?

Same here. I spent half of yesterday hunting for Angel Heart on a few streaming sites, but it's nowhere to be found. Never actually sat down to watch it myself, but I've heard nothing but good things. You definitely just put it on my radar.

Alexander Morris25 said:I was actually doing the same thing yesterday, scouring the local video rental shops for a few copies of Angel Heart. It's wild that they don't have it! I haven't seen it myself, though I've heard great things—you've definitely put it on my radar...

Also, finding it at a rental shop will be an uphill battle since it’s an older title. Still, it's absolutely worth the hunt for that unforgettable sex scene, the brilliant twist, and Robert De Niro's demonic performance. The plot is quite dense, too; you might need a couple of viewings to fully grasp everything...

I mean, I know the movie’s been out for like twenty years. I think there might be a new re-release or something—look, I know the title, I just haven't actually sat down to watch it yet.
Gritty? Please, who doesn't love a gritty flick? Especially the ones where you're still processing a scene a few days later...

Alexander Morris25 said:Look, I know the movie's been around for nearly twenty years. I think there might have been a re-release recently—I mean, I'm aware of it, I just haven't sat down to watch it yet.
Gritty? Please. Who doesn't love a gritty film, especially when you're still processing a scene a few days after the credits roll...

Exactly, like Memento. 🙏 🙏 🙏

I mentioned him earlier and he’s actually on tonight—an Almodovar flick. Haven't seen it yet, but I'm gonna get to it.
Anyway, super late reply, but YES, Memento! You can actually dig through the special features on the DVD and find an option to watch it in chronological order, but I totally missed that!

Jules Verne said:I brought him up, and tonight’s the night—an Almodóvar film. Haven't seen one yet, but I suppose I should...
By the way, sorry for the incredibly late reply. And yes, *Memento*! You can actually find an option in the special features of the DVD to watch it in chronological order, though it never crossed my mind until now...

Are you kidding me? Backwards? 🙏 🙏Honestly, I don't think even I would attempt that...