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Nicole Vaughn Nicole Vaughn Newcomer
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joined Dec 2003
#21 ·
Henry Bennett53 said:The decline in movie theater attendance—and this isn't just an American issue, it's a global phenomenon—is undeniably linked to one major culprit: Hollywood.
Audiences everywhere have grown weary of the relentless Hollywood formula: the same recycled tropes, those predictable happy endings, the polished faces, the curated aesthetics, and the endless barrage of explosions and spectacle...

Precisely.👍
When you look at ticket prices relative to income, they aren't actually any more expensive than they were a decade or more ago. In fact, if you compare them to ticket prices in major hubs like New York City, they’re practically a steal. Yet, people are heading to theaters less frequently in both New York City and Washington, D.C.

As for the closure of theaters in smaller American towns—it wasn't some conspiracy to spite the locals; it happened because the locals simply stopped showing up.

We are witnessing a genuine crisis in the film industry. I don't mean to suggest the primary issue is that movies are bad—God knows the masses have a profound affection for terrible cinema—but rather that even those bad movies are recycled so aggressively that people feel downright foolish paying money to watch the exact same thing fifty times over. Beyond that, these films relentlessly peddle a philosophy of instant gratification. Consequently, audiences (who are, by their very nature, essentially a herd easily swayed, especially when gathered in groups and labeled "the public") dutifully absorb the instant-gratification lifestyle served up in these hyper-cool productions. They stay home because, frankly, who cares? There is also a subtle connection to the growing trend of societal passivity; people would rather sit on their couches, picking their noses in front of the TV and pausing the movie every time they want a snack. This sociological shift toward a modern individual who prioritizes primal instincts above all else mirrors what happened during the initial rise of television, which the film industry managed to survive once before. It seems to defy human nature itself.

The Hollywood slate is catastrophically uninspired and dull—that is the catch. Far more investment goes into mindless tabloid gossip about actors than into ensuring their actual contributions to film are of any quality. The industry has begun "catering" to audience tastes by pandering to even the most intellectually stunted segments of "the public," while distributors fail to realize that sophisticated cinema exists far beyond the realm of Hollywood junk. It is truly remarkable, given that Hollywood junk has recognized this and has spent over a decade attempting (rather clumsily) to remake the best works from those international cinematic traditions. Though, as I noted earlier, with rather mediocre success.

In short, theaters are merely reaping what they sow. In more ways than one.
Richard Hernandez13 Richard Hernandez13 Regular
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joined May 2004
#22 ·
Nicole Vaughn said:Movie tickets aren't actually any more expensive compared to what people earn than they were ten years ago (or even longer).

Looking back about ten years—maybe even more—a ticket at my local AMC Theatres was only $2.50. Nowadays, it’s 20 bucks (though just a little while back, it had actually spiked to 25).

Nicole Vaughn said:...and if you compare those prices to tickets in major, central hubs like New York City, they're honestly laughably cheap.

I think that's a bit of an unfair comparison.
The real issue is that movie tickets in our theaters feel quite pricey when you weigh them against the average income of an American citizen.

Nicole Vaughn said:People are visiting theaters less and less everywhere, whether it's in New York City or right here in Washington, D.C.

Actually, the drop in attendance in the United Kingdom this year has been incredibly minimal—only about 1%—especially when you look at how much other countries have slumped, which most folks interpret as a sign of really strong domestic film offerings.
brightcobra10 brightcobra10 Member
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joined Jun 2007
#23 ·
Honestly, I’m right there with Richard Hernandez13 on this one. Back when I was just a kid, I used to hit up the local AMC Theatres at least once a week; the ticket was so cheap I’d actually have money left over to blow on whatever junk food I wanted to snack on during the movie. But nowadays? Everything is just overpriced, and let’s be real, half the movies coming out are absolute garbage anyway. I remember back when I was living stateside, I used to wait until Mondays to go because they’d have those student discounts or some kind of special deal running, which made it much more doable. If they actually brought back those kinds of prices, I think it’d be totally realistic to see tickets sitting around $3.25
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Justin Patel Justin Patel Active Member
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joined Sep 2003
#24 ·
I suspect ticket prices aren't actually the issue, especially since they're quite low compared to the standards of the rest of Europe this country aims to meet. A price adjustment of $3.25 wouldn't change much. Most of the programming consists of Hollywood blockbusters—which pull in crowds regardless. As for art house films, classics, or indie flicks, you can mostly find those for free online.
The real issue might be the delay in getting new releases, though I'm not even sure about that. People have gotten lazy; they've settled for downloading stuff. When they do go out, they head to those massive multiplexes and have completely forgotten about Old School cinemas.

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The ticket itself is the smallest expense. You have to factor in gas for the car, plus the popcorn and soda—all of that easily costs several times more than the actual seat.
For the average American earning something like $40,000 a year, a single ticket isn't a huge hit—it's basically just two gallons of gas.
Not to mention how absurd it is to drive a car around a city the size of Washington, D.C.

On the flip side, there are plenty of people struggling financially who might actually want to go to the movies if they could afford it. To reiterate, there are tons of free shows available, which makes digital downloads a much more attractive option. But!
You have a computer, but you can't swing the cash for a movie ticket?

this problem runs deep.

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Justin Patel Justin Patel Active Member
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joined Sep 2003
#25 ·
brightcobra10 said:I’m with Richard Hernandez13 on this one. When I was a kid, going to AMC Theatres seven times a week was a breeze—it barely cost anything, and I'd still have plenty of cash left over for snacks. Nowadays, though, everything is just too expensive, and honestly, half the movies coming out are total garbage anyway. I remember back when I lived in the States, I used to hit the theater on Mondays to take advantage of those student discounts. It would be much more realistic if ticket prices were actually reasonable... $3.25

Yeah, exactly. A few decades ago in the States, movie tickets only cost a couple of bucks. Now? You’re looking at over ten dollars easy. Honestly, I wish prices would go back down... $3.25But that’s never actually going to happen. That kind of issue only matters if you're watching 50 or 60 movies a year—and let's be honest, do you even watch that many?...
For a movie that people actually want to see in theaters, a price point between $20 and... $9.75 It can't be that big of an issue. Unless we're talking about someone who can barely afford a meal—in which case, they should just get free tickets!

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Why wouldn't foreign distributors dictate the price? They’re obviously going to expect their slice of the pie...
Alexander Hill2 Alexander Hill2 MemberOP
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joined Apr 2011
#26 ·
Justin Patel said:If you’re actually looking at a movie that people genuinely want to see, charging $20 to $25 just to get through the door is absolutely insane. It’s getting ridiculous. $9.75 It can't be that big of a deal. Honestly, the only way this becomes a genuine issue is if we’re talking about someone who can barely afford to put food on the table—in that case, just give them free tickets!

Do you seriously go to the movies by yourself most of the time? Take your wife or one of your kids along, just once. For heaven's sake. $33 Not a chance. For that kind of money, a group could have a blast all weekend long and still walk away with a few extra grand in their pockets. 😁 🙄 I might just go by myself... because honestly, when you’re with a group, it’s a nightmare. I remember one time five of us went to an AMC Theatres premiere, and once you add up the price for everyone—three bucks here, five bucks there—it becomes a total gut punch just looking at the math for five people. You’re better off staying home; you'll have five times the fun without the headache. That’s basically the logic behind why people like me aren't hitting the theaters anymore. It's just common sense.
Justin Patel Justin Patel Active Member
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joined Sep 2003
#27 ·
Look, everyone pays their own way, right? And besides, a sneak preview is still just $12...plus, it's not your only choice. You go to the theater for the big screen experience and the movie itself; for everything else, you've got Mastercard.

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Sandra King86 Sandra King86 Active Member
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joined Sep 2004
#28 ·
Henry Bennett53 said:The decline in movie theater attendance—not just here in the US, but globally—is a real issue, and honestly, one of the biggest culprits is Hollywood.
People everywhere are just burnt out on what Hollywood keeps feeding them—those same recycled plots, forced happy endings, pretty faces, perfect sets, explosions, and over-the-top action sequences...

That’s a pretty massive generalization, if you ask me.

I mean, Hollywood is still the biggest player on the planet. I don't see either major industry struggling to stay afloat. You say "everyone is fed up"... do you actually have stats to back that up? Because that's news to me.

Actually, this feels more like you're making excuses. Like you're trying to say everything is fine. But the whole culture of going to the movies—developing a taste for film, wanting to try something new, having the drive... that's all deeply personal. Some people just aren't cinema people, and that's fine. 🙂
You can't really count them anyway.

There are plenty of other parts of the world putting out interesting stuff too. Sure, the industries are smaller, but if you're looking, I'm sure you'll find a genre or a theme that actually hits home for you.
That whole fatalistic vibe—like everything's already been done and said... it's kind of ridiculous. Seems like you're missing the point.
Elizabeth Garcia2 Elizabeth Garcia2 Active Member
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joined Apr 2005
#29 ·
Sandra King86:

That whole fatalistic attitude... like everything’s already been seen and said... it just seems silly to me. I don't think you're really making a point...

If you want a really deep dive into what's actually happening in Hollywood right now, check out the October issue of The New York Times.
I've stumbled across similar pieces in a few different places lately too...
Richard Hernandez13 Richard Hernandez13 Regular
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joined May 2004
#30 ·
Is this some kind of French analysis?

If it is, then I’m definitely taking it with a massive grain of salt. 😬

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