How to fix Kyphosis and improve posture?

Just hit the pool and swim every single day. Backstroke and breaststroke will do wonders for your back.

Sean Bailey75 said:I don't think so, mainly because we aren't seeing that kind of scenario very often. Kyphosis and that general roundedness in the back tend to pull the hips inward rather than actually shifting the center of gravity itself. While that sort of compensation might make sense if you were looking at a machine, it just isn't how the human body operates. In people dealing with kyphosis, it’s actually much more common to find their weight shifted heavily toward their heels—and that happens precisely because they are compensating through the hips, which ends up causing even more damage to the hip joints. This is especially true for older individuals; you see such significant atrophy in the hips that they can actually fracture from minor falls. It isn't just a matter of osteoporosis, either; it's the sheer weakness of the hip and groin muscles that really leaves them vulnerable.

While that first assumption isn't quite hitting the mark, this second one actually makes a bit of sense. However, we have to consider that constant loading without significant amplitude in contraction and relaxation leads to the exact opposite result: muscle exhaustion. In that scenario, the muscles aren't becoming "more developed"—they’re just seizing up. When you operate that way, true muscle development isn't just difficult; it's effectively impossible, which is why you eventually run into muscle atrophy.

Look, I’m a healthy individual, and I have absolutely no intention of mimicking the exact posture of someone dealing with kyphosis. Kyphosis isn't just a simple thing; it's a long-term, progressive process that shapes a person's physical makeup so deeply that they simply can't correct themselves or achieve the same range of motion that I can. Because of that, my body is going to react and compensate for movement entirely differently than the body of someone struggling with pronounced kyphosis or excessive weight. It's just basic biology.

When muscles get cramped up, they actually trigger an inflammatory process, which shows up as that persistent, localized cramping sensation. If someone just gets used to that constant back pain, that spasm becomes permanent, and it starts messing with your circulation. Once circulation drops, you run into muscle atrophy. On a microscopic level, the body essentially decides to weaken that specific muscle to cut down on energy consumption—this adaptation can kick in after just 72 hours. It’s actually a "normal" physiological response to the cramp, which is exactly why you need to address it immediately before these other structural changes take hold. On a side note, it would be wise to distinguish between raw strength and actual muscular toughness, but that's a whole different conversation for another time.

5. Absolutely spot on—that’s an excellent observation. And that is exactly why it results in a loss; because total muscular tension just isn't the natural state of the muscular system.

You know, when dealing with kyphosis, it isn’t actually necessary for the chest and abdominal muscles to be overdeveloped. We see this happen all the time with gym enthusiasts who go way too heavy on what people call "bench pressing" while completely neglecting their back work. It results in that hunched-over posture, and honestly, you see it constantly here in the States. It usually stems from guys staring at themselves in the mirror, obsessing over building up their pecs, abs, and biceps, while barely putting any effort into the antagonists—you know, the back, shoulders, and neck. It really comes down to a perception problem. People jump into training without much experience, trying to DIY their way through a routine, and end up with all sorts of unpredictable results. Are their backs atrophied even if they seem strong? Absolutely. Because those muscles aren't actually functional or truly strong; they’re just chronically tight and tense, while the opposing muscle groups are further weakening them by pulling in the opposite direction. On the flip side, for someone who hasn't been active for a long time, you won't see any significant development in the chest or abdominal muscles unless they are specifically trained. Similarly, the back muscles won't develop regardless of how much tension or tightness is present. You have to actually train them to build real strength.

The questions you’ve raised really demonstrate that you have the capacity for critical thinking, along with the genuine will and desire to learn. All of those assumptions serve as a solid foundation for expanding your knowledge base. However, it would be wise to test those hypotheses against a much larger sample size. If we were to conduct any kind of observation or study based on just one single case or individual, it would be nearly impossible to gain a true perception of what the general condition looks like across a broader population. Of course, it can certainly feel baffling when you see strong muscles suffering from atrophy, but that is a far more complex issue that might not actually offer much help to people specifically struggling with poor posture. Therefore, perhaps it would be best to focus our efforts on helping those who are truly grappling with how to correct their own posture.

But here’s the thing—that hip tucking? It’s basically just a compensation maneuver the brain pulls to fix an imbalance and try to dial down the tension in the toes and the posterior chain. The hips end up taking the hit because the person gets all tight through the back and abdomen, losing that crucial pelvic mobility. Then, you get those hip flexors and glutes contracting like crazy, jamming the femur into the pelvis. Eventually, they just collapse because of the instability and the total inability to react when their center of gravity shifts. Seriously, just look at people who carry their head too far forward, or those whose balance is thrown off by a larger midsection—you'll almost always see their toes curling inward like claws. Why does that happen? It's all connected.

While that first assumption isn't quite hitting the mark, this second idea actually holds a bit of logic—if you look at it closely. However, here’s the thing: constant tension without significant amplitude in contraction and relaxation leads to the exact opposite result—total muscle exhaustion. So, those muscles aren't becoming "more developed"; they're just stuck in a permanent state of cramping. In that scenario, muscle growth isn't just difficult—it becomes physically impossible, which is why you end up seeing muscle atrophy instead.

I have to disagree on this one. Look, when a muscle is hyper-tense, sure, it feels stronger—but because that tension never actually lets up, the muscle just burns out. You end up stuck in a state of constant muscle fiber contraction, which most people experience as pain. Since there isn’t always an obvious physical injury or a direct reason for the discomfort, people usually end up wandering into a doctor's office totally confused, wondering where the hell the pain is coming from. But the real culprit? It's that non-stop contraction triggered by commands straight from the brain.

And again—if we’re actually buying your reasoning for point two regarding why a crushed and fatigued muscle would somehow make training and extra loading even harder... wouldn't that just lead straight to total exhaustion? I mean, wouldn't you end up facing complete loss of control and that dreaded lack of sensation in your back?

Just a quick reminder—those back muscles end up in that state because they’re basically working overtime just to compensate for the hyper-tense muscles in the front of the body—all in a desperate attempt to help someone actually maintain an upright posture.
The most straightforward, easy way to fix this—really, just keeping it simple—is to focus on ramping up the sensation in the front of your body. It’s all about heightening that awareness to gain better control, while simultaneously letting go of those muscles that are just holding onto unnecessary tension. Why fight against yourself when you can just relax?

Look, I’m a healthy person—completely different situation here—so I won't end up with the exact same posture as someone dealing with kyphosis. Kyphosis isn't just a quick thing; it’s this long-term, structural process that shapes a person so deeply that they simply can't correct themselves or move through the same range of motion that I can. My body would react and compensate for those movements in a totally different way than someone struggling with pronounced kyphosis and excessive weight. It's just biology, right?

It would be pretty eye-opening if you could actually feel all the compensations your brain has to pull off just because you decided to shove your head forward and slouch. It’s one thing to know it's happening, but it's another to truly grasp the sheer amount of work your nervous system is doing to stay upright—and then realize exactly what kind of damage you're inviting by living in those compensations 24/7. And honestly? Once you feel that tension, you start asking yourself: where is the command for this posture even coming from in the first place?

When muscles get cramped up like that, they essentially trigger an inflammatory process—which is why you feel those persistent, nagging spasms. The real danger is when a person just gets used to the pain in their back; that cramp becomes a permanent fixture, and it starts choking off your circulation. It’s a bit of a downward spiral, really. Because the blood flow is compromised, you end up looking at muscle atrophy. On a microscopic level, the body actually weakens that specific muscle just to cut down on energy consumption—this can start happening after only about 72 hours. It’s a completely normal biological adaptation to the spasm, which is exactly why you need to address it immediately before these secondary changes take hold. By the way—it would probably be useful to distinguish between raw strength and actual muscular toughness, but that's a whole other conversation entirely.

Sure, but you have to realize—he simply can’t afford to let those muscles relax or drop energy consumption after 72 hours. Why? Because doing so would require him to simultaneously relax his entire anterior chain just to stay balanced. But since he lacks the ability to actually release that front side—because it's subconsciously locked tight—there's no other way out except to persist with tense back muscles, or resort to brain compensations to cut down on the effort... you know, leaning on elbows or a rock using one or both hands, putting hands on the lower back, sitting in a hunched posture, resisting upward stretching—like when playing the bassoon or tennis—or gravitating toward sports that favor a cramped posture, like cycling or cross-country skiing... or else just faceplant into the floor.

5. Absolutely spot on, excellent observation. And that’s exactly why it’s a bad thing—because total tension isn't a natural state for the muscular system.

Of course it isn't, but ask yourself: why can't he, or his CNS, change this unnatural state?
Let me make it easier for you: it's because his CNS thinks everything is fine. It's become so used to being under tension that it considers it "normal."

6. Chest and abdominal muscles don't necessarily need to be developed in someone with kyphosis. This happens, for example, with gym rats who go way too hard on what people call "bench" while neglecting their "back work," resulting in a hunched posture. It's an incredibly common scenario in the US, mostly because guys look in the mirror and focus solely on building up their pecs, abs, and biceps, while barely touching the antagonists—the back, shoulders, and neck. It’s a perception problem; people start training without much experience and end up with all sorts of weird results. Are their backs atrophied even if they seem strong? Yes. Because those muscles aren't actually functional and strong; they're just chronically tense, and the opposing muscle group further weakens them by pulling in the opposite direction. However, in people who haven't been active for a long time, there wouldn't have been any development of the abdominal or pectoral muscles if they hadn't trained them, nor would the back muscles have developed, no matter how much they were cramping up.

True, but you're mixing up cause and effect here.

They have back problems because of a tight anterior side that they can't release.
And people try to fix it by stretching the front and strengthening the back, instead of teaching the person to actually *feel* that they are tight in the front—teaching the CNS to shift back to normal tension levels. The current approach is highly impractical, inefficient, and long-winded, making it extremely prone to setbacks and injuries.

The questions you’re asking just show that you have the capacity for critical thought, the will, and the desire to learn. All these assumptions provide a solid foundation for advancing your knowledge. That said, it would be wise to test these assumptions against a larger pool of cases. If we were conducting observations or research based on just a single case or individual, it would be difficult to gain a true perception of what the general condition is for most people. Sure, it can be baffling sometimes how powerful muscles can still be atrophied, but that's a much more complex story that might not help people specifically struggling with postural issues. So, perhaps it would be better to focus on helping those who are actually tormented by the question of how to correct their posture.

It would be wise not to judge the experience or the quality of knowledge of people you don't know, based merely on a few posts that you're now interpreting differently. I've been working in physiotherapy for many years and have successfully resolved a huge number of cases. I've confirmed every single one of my claims through practice with over 600 people—most of whom had already gone through the usual failed attempts at traditional rehabilitation and typically tried my method for chronic pain before opting for surgery.
So, you can assume I haven't just been working with young, healthy people; it's been a bit of everything.

Richard Cook2 said:I actually just finished chatting with a rather well-known physical therapist; I’m lucky enough that we work in the same building. 🙂

First off, I have to say you're spot on regarding this part: "A constantly and persistently stretched muscle doesn't mean it's actually weak."

His take was that while the back muscles might be overstretched, they don't necessarily have to be weak. It's more that the muscles on the front side feel stronger, which is why you need to stretch them while strengthening the back muscles to restore balance and bring the body back into proper posture.

However, I think you're mistaken when you say, "you won't get anywhere trying to strengthen it because after a little while, it’ll just snap right back to that same rigid state."

It won't happen if you train consistently using the right principles and actually fix your posture.

He explained it like this:

When dealing with postural issues caused by poor habits (like sitting too much, for instance), you end up with excessive tone and shortening in the muscles on the front of the body (those are the ones I mentioned earlier that need stretching). At the same time, you definitely need to strengthen the muscles in the back. But according to him, the most critical thing—aside from that stretching and strengthening—is developing the core. The biggest reason for poor posture is often that the core isn't functioning correctly (and by core, I mean the pelvic, abdominal, and lower back muscles).

To put it simply, he summarized it this way:

1) Postural issues stem from muscle imbalances.
2) You need to get the core functioning properly again.
3) You must stretch and strengthen the specific muscles I listed in my first post.
4) The ratio of front-to-back training should roughly be 1:3.

So, if you really think I'm wrong, don't just lecture me on the philosophy of it—tell me exactly what you think the actual solution is.

Look, I'm not trying to get philosophical here—I'm just trying to help you connect the dots. You've already realized that the CNS plays a massive role in all of this, and if you ask me, it’s actually the most important part.
Here’s how I saw things—though I'll let Mr. Ernst correct me if I'm off, since he’s clearly the expert here.
So;
Skeletal muscles operate under the influence of the CNS—simple as that. When you execute a movement correctly, your brain receives the right feedback and everything stays in sync. But here’s the catch: over time, people start performing most movements with poor form, and it becomes automated because their proprioception shifts. Basically, the brain starts accepting flawed feedback as the new "normal." Once gravity takes its toll, the locomotor system starts breaking down, which shows up on the periphery as various physical misalignments—like the ones the original poster is dealing with.
So, if you actually want a muscle to move correctly, the change has to happen at the core of the issue—the CNS. You can only achieve that through sheer willpower—specifically by moving so incredibly slowly that you become fully aware of how your body is shifting in the moment. By doing that, you're essentially rerouting the feedback to your brain and correcting your posture from the inside out. You get what I mean?
The title of this thread gets a bit complicated—basically, sitting all day and moving poorly causes the psoas to shorten, leaving the pelvic muscles tight and rigid. To compensate for that shift in center of gravity, the body adapts by cranking up activity in the muscles attached to the spine, stretching them out just to keep the person upright. When they try to fix their posture, they feel pain and discomfort because the CNS has adapted to this new state—those stiff muscles just snap right back. The brain receives skewed feedback that isn't actually correct, but it treats it as the new normal, so the person only feels the consequences of the posture rather than the faulty movement itself.
If a muscle is constantly tight and stretched out, it has to relax first before it can actually regain its ability to contract and lengthen properly. Only once you've restored correct feedback and gotten the locomotor system centered can you move on to strengthening—but even then, it has to be done correctly and evenly to maintain the balance of the whole system we call the body.

It’s true that muscle imbalance exists, but that’s just a symptom, not the cause. The real culprit is distorted proprioception.
What I'm trying to say is that most standard exercises used to fix posture are handled manually—usually focusing on either strengthening or stretching. If someone with a shortened psoas or rigid hip muscles tries to strengthen their core, back, or shoulders—or even just stretch them—it won't change their actual movement pattern. They won't get anything out of it except a temporary illusion of improvement that vanishes in a few days, often leaving them in a worse position. A stable core is vital, but you should only focus on building it once the locomotor system is balanced and the center of gravity is right where it needs to be.

Sean Bailey75 said:I don't think so, mainly because we aren't seeing that kind of scenario very often. Kyphosis and that general roundedness in the back tend to pull the hips inward rather than actually shifting the center of gravity itself. While that sort of compensation might make sense if you were looking at a machine, it just isn't how the human body operates. In people dealing with kyphosis, it’s actually much more common to find their weight shifted heavily toward their heels—and that happens precisely because they are compensating through the hips, which ends up causing even more damage to the hip joints. This is especially true for older individuals; you see such significant atrophy in the hips that they can actually fracture from minor falls. It isn't just a matter of osteoporosis, either; it's the sheer weakness of the hip and groin muscles that really leaves them vulnerable.

While that first assumption isn't quite hitting the mark, this second one actually makes a bit of sense. However, we have to consider that constant loading without significant amplitude in contraction and relaxation leads to the exact opposite result: muscle exhaustion. In that scenario, the muscles aren't becoming "more developed"—they’re just seizing up. When you operate that way, true muscle development isn't just difficult; it's effectively impossible, which is why you eventually run into muscle atrophy.

Look, I’m a healthy individual, and I have absolutely no intention of mimicking the exact posture of someone dealing with kyphosis. Kyphosis isn't just a simple thing; it's a long-term, progressive process that shapes a person's physical makeup so deeply that they simply can't correct themselves or achieve the same range of motion that I can. Because of that, my body is going to react and compensate for movement entirely differently than the body of someone struggling with pronounced kyphosis or excessive weight. It's just basic biology.

When muscles get cramped up, they actually trigger an inflammatory process, which shows up as that persistent, localized cramping sensation. If someone just gets used to that constant back pain, that spasm becomes permanent, and it starts messing with your circulation. Once circulation drops, you run into muscle atrophy. On a microscopic level, the body essentially decides to weaken that specific muscle to cut down on energy consumption—this adaptation can kick in after just 72 hours. It’s actually a "normal" physiological response to the cramp, which is exactly why you need to address it immediately before these other structural changes take hold. On a side note, it would be wise to distinguish between raw strength and actual muscular toughness, but that's a whole different conversation for another time.

5. Absolutely spot on—that’s an excellent observation. And that is exactly why it results in a loss; because total muscular tension just isn't the natural state of the muscular system.

You know, when dealing with kyphosis, it isn’t actually necessary for the chest and abdominal muscles to be overdeveloped. We see this happen all the time with gym enthusiasts who go way too heavy on what people call "bench pressing" while completely neglecting their back work. It results in that hunched-over posture, and honestly, you see it constantly here in the States. It usually stems from guys staring at themselves in the mirror, obsessing over building up their pecs, abs, and biceps, while barely putting any effort into the antagonists—you know, the back, shoulders, and neck. It really comes down to a perception problem. People jump into training without much experience, trying to DIY their way through a routine, and end up with all sorts of unpredictable results. Are their backs atrophied even if they seem strong? Absolutely. Because those muscles aren't actually functional or truly strong; they’re just chronically tight and tense, while the opposing muscle groups are further weakening them by pulling in the opposite direction. On the flip side, for someone who hasn't been active for a long time, you won't see any significant development in the chest or abdominal muscles unless they are specifically trained. Similarly, the back muscles won't develop regardless of how much tension or tightness is present. You have to actually train them to build real strength.

The questions you’ve raised really demonstrate that you have the capacity for critical thinking, along with the genuine will and desire to learn. All of those assumptions serve as a solid foundation for expanding your knowledge base. However, it would be wise to test those hypotheses against a much larger sample size. If we were to conduct any kind of observation or study based on just one single case or individual, it would be nearly impossible to gain a true perception of what the general condition looks like across a broader population. Of course, it can certainly feel baffling when you see strong muscles suffering from atrophy, but that is a far more complex issue that might not actually offer much help to people specifically struggling with poor posture. Therefore, perhaps it would be best to focus our efforts on helping those who are truly grappling with how to correct their own posture.

1. How is that even possible? When you lean forward, you can actually feel your toes pressing into the ground. To keep from faceplanting, your body uses its natural sense of balance—proprioception—to shift your center of gravity back onto your heels, which naturally adjusts your hips and pelvis.

2. Even if the first assumption is off, there's a grain of truth in the second one. But here’s the thing—constant tension without much contraction or relaxation cycles just leads to muscle fatigue. You aren't building "more developed" muscles; they're just cramped up. In fact, true muscle growth isn't just difficult this way—it's actually impossible, which eventually leads to atrophy.

2. Doesn't atrophy happen because muscles aren't being used?
And logically speaking, how would someone who is constantly moving end up with atrophy in their larger muscle groups?
It doesn't say the muscle is more developed, just that activity levels have increased.
If that activity stays constant over a long period, you won't get atrophy—you'll get a "numb" muscle that has lost its ability to contract. It's like when an elastic waistband loses its stretch.

Nicole Ross said:But here’s the thing—that hip tucking? It’s basically just a compensation maneuver the brain pulls to fix an imbalance and try to dial down the tension in the toes and the posterior chain. The hips end up taking the hit because the person gets all tight through the back and abdomen, losing that crucial pelvic mobility. Then, you get those hip flexors and glutes contracting like crazy, jamming the femur into the pelvis. Eventually, they just collapse because of the instability and the total inability to react when their center of gravity shifts. Seriously, just look at people who carry their head too far forward, or those whose balance is thrown off by a larger midsection—you'll almost always see their toes curling inward like claws. Why does that happen? It's all connected.

While that first assumption isn't quite hitting the mark, this second idea actually holds a bit of logic—if you look at it closely. However, here’s the thing: constant tension without significant amplitude in contraction and relaxation leads to the exact opposite result—total muscle exhaustion. So, those muscles aren't becoming "more developed"; they're just stuck in a permanent state of cramping. In that scenario, muscle growth isn't just difficult—it becomes physically impossible, which is why you end up seeing muscle atrophy instead.

I have to disagree on this one. Look, when a muscle is hyper-tense, sure, it feels stronger—but because that tension never actually lets up, the muscle just burns out. You end up stuck in a state of constant muscle fiber contraction, which most people experience as pain. Since there isn’t always an obvious physical injury or a direct reason for the discomfort, people usually end up wandering into a doctor's office totally confused, wondering where the hell the pain is coming from. But the real culprit? It's that non-stop contraction triggered by commands straight from the brain.

And again—if we’re actually buying your reasoning for point two regarding why a crushed and fatigued muscle would somehow make training and extra loading even harder... wouldn't that just lead straight to total exhaustion? I mean, wouldn't you end up facing complete loss of control and that dreaded lack of sensation in your back?

Just a quick reminder—those back muscles end up in that state because they’re basically working overtime just to compensate for the hyper-tense muscles in the front of the body—all in a desperate attempt to help someone actually maintain an upright posture.
The most straightforward, easy way to fix this—really, just keeping it simple—is to focus on ramping up the sensation in the front of your body. It’s all about heightening that awareness to gain better control, while simultaneously letting go of those muscles that are just holding onto unnecessary tension. Why fight against yourself when you can just relax?

Look, I’m a healthy person—completely different situation here—so I won't end up with the exact same posture as someone dealing with kyphosis. Kyphosis isn't just a quick thing; it’s this long-term, structural process that shapes a person so deeply that they simply can't correct themselves or move through the same range of motion that I can. My body would react and compensate for those movements in a totally different way than someone struggling with pronounced kyphosis and excessive weight. It's just biology, right?

It would be pretty eye-opening if you could actually feel all the compensations your brain has to pull off just because you decided to shove your head forward and slouch. It’s one thing to know it's happening, but it's another to truly grasp the sheer amount of work your nervous system is doing to stay upright—and then realize exactly what kind of damage you're inviting by living in those compensations 24/7. And honestly? Once you feel that tension, you start asking yourself: where is the command for this posture even coming from in the first place?

When muscles get cramped up like that, they essentially trigger an inflammatory process—which is why you feel those persistent, nagging spasms. The real danger is when a person just gets used to the pain in their back; that cramp becomes a permanent fixture, and it starts choking off your circulation. It’s a bit of a downward spiral, really. Because the blood flow is compromised, you end up looking at muscle atrophy. On a microscopic level, the body actually weakens that specific muscle just to cut down on energy consumption—this can start happening after only about 72 hours. It’s a completely normal biological adaptation to the spasm, which is exactly why you need to address it immediately before these secondary changes take hold. By the way—it would probably be useful to distinguish between raw strength and actual muscular toughness, but that's a whole other conversation entirely.

Sure, but you have to realize—he simply can’t afford to let those muscles relax or drop energy consumption after 72 hours. Why? Because doing so would require him to simultaneously relax his entire anterior chain just to stay balanced. But since he lacks the ability to actually release that front side—because it's subconsciously locked tight—there's no other way out except to persist with tense back muscles, or resort to brain compensations to cut down on the effort... you know, leaning on elbows or a rock using one or both hands, putting hands on the lower back, sitting in a hunched posture, resisting upward stretching—like when playing the bassoon or tennis—or gravitating toward sports that favor a cramped posture, like cycling or cross-country skiing... or else just faceplant into the floor.

5. Absolutely spot on, excellent observation. And that’s exactly why it’s a bad thing—because total tension isn't a natural state for the muscular system.

Of course it isn't, but ask yourself: why can't he, or his CNS, change this unnatural state?
Let me make it easier for you: it's because his CNS thinks everything is fine. It's become so used to being under tension that it considers it "normal."

6. Chest and abdominal muscles don't necessarily need to be developed in someone with kyphosis. This happens, for example, with gym rats who go way too hard on what people call "bench" while neglecting their "back work," resulting in a hunched posture. It's an incredibly common scenario in the US, mostly because guys look in the mirror and focus solely on building up their pecs, abs, and biceps, while barely touching the antagonists—the back, shoulders, and neck. It’s a perception problem; people start training without much experience and end up with all sorts of weird results. Are their backs atrophied even if they seem strong? Yes. Because those muscles aren't actually functional and strong; they're just chronically tense, and the opposing muscle group further weakens them by pulling in the opposite direction. However, in people who haven't been active for a long time, there wouldn't have been any development of the abdominal or pectoral muscles if they hadn't trained them, nor would the back muscles have developed, no matter how much they were cramping up.

True, but you're mixing up cause and effect here.

They have back problems because of a tight anterior side that they can't release.
And people try to fix it by stretching the front and strengthening the back, instead of teaching the person to actually *feel* that they are tight in the front—teaching the CNS to shift back to normal tension levels. The current approach is highly impractical, inefficient, and long-winded, making it extremely prone to setbacks and injuries.

The questions you’re asking just show that you have the capacity for critical thought, the will, and the desire to learn. All these assumptions provide a solid foundation for advancing your knowledge. That said, it would be wise to test these assumptions against a larger pool of cases. If we were conducting observations or research based on just a single case or individual, it would be difficult to gain a true perception of what the general condition is for most people. Sure, it can be baffling sometimes how powerful muscles can still be atrophied, but that's a much more complex story that might not help people specifically struggling with postural issues. So, perhaps it would be better to focus on helping those who are actually tormented by the question of how to correct their posture.

It would be wise not to judge the experience or the quality of knowledge of people you don't know, based merely on a few posts that you're now interpreting differently. I've been working in physiotherapy for many years and have successfully resolved a huge number of cases. I've confirmed every single one of my claims through practice with over 600 people—most of whom had already gone through the usual failed attempts at traditional rehabilitation and typically tried my method for chronic pain before opting for surgery.
So, you can assume I haven't just been working with young, healthy people; it's been a bit of everything.

Look, we could go on like this until tomorrow. I'm saying that constant muscle tension leads to cramping and chronic inflammation, which eventually exhausts the muscles and prevents any real progress. You disagree because you think the muscle will become hyper-tense, get too fatigued, and lead to constant muscle fiber breakdown—but you argue that this constant contraction originates in the brain. Essentially, we are saying the same thing, but you won't agree with me because you insist the command comes from the brain.

Let's be clear: I'm not interested in debating or "winning" anything here. You asked a question, and I answered it. I respect physical therapy and any therapist who does great work. However, the internet isn't always the best place for people to truly understand one another; you have to read carefully, and even then, there's no guarantee you'll fully grasp what your interlocutor means. Emphasizing our disagreement just because, for example, motor commands originate in the brain, is honestly just unnecessary discourse.

I am searching for a top-tier physical therapist with solid references for someone who has suffered a stroke and needs to fully regain motor function. In recent months, he has managed to walk again with some excellent therapists at a wellness resort, but he has absolutely no sensation in his arms. It is not easy at all to find a high-quality, skilled specialist. If anyone knows a premier expert who could work in the Chicago area near the 2014 vicinity, let me know so I can arrange a consultation. The patient is very determined and demanding; he pays well, but he is extremely strict about criteria (meaning one mistake or one wrong approach, and it's goodbye). So, this is an appeal not just to you, but to anyone who might know a specialist capable of helping this man become motorically capable again, just as he was before.

So, I'll say it again: I'm not looking to judge or argue if there's nothing to be gained from it. I'll just suggest that perhaps it would be better to offer advice to people struggling with back issues rather than wasting keystrokes on this. Maybe I'm wrong, but allow me to step away from this debate, as I don't think I can contribute anything more intelligent to the topic. Cheers, and thanks for understanding.

rustybadger42 said:1. How is that even possible? When you lean forward, you can actually feel your toes pressing into the ground. To keep from faceplanting, your body uses its natural sense of balance—proprioception—to shift your center of gravity back onto your heels, which naturally adjusts your hips and pelvis.

2. Even if the first assumption is off, there's a grain of truth in the second one. But here’s the thing—constant tension without much contraction or relaxation cycles just leads to muscle fatigue. You aren't building "more developed" muscles; they're just cramped up. In fact, true muscle growth isn't just difficult this way—it's actually impossible, which eventually leads to atrophy.

2. Doesn't atrophy happen because muscles aren't being used?
And logically speaking, how would someone who is constantly moving end up with atrophy in their larger muscle groups?
It doesn't say the muscle is more developed, just that activity levels have increased.
If that activity stays constant over a long period, you won't get atrophy—you'll get a "numb" muscle that has lost its ability to contract. It's like when an elastic waistband loses its stretch.

I’ll say it again: I really don't want to get bogged down in debates about different theories and types of muscle atrophy. If everything could be explained by comparing it to the elastic in a pair of underwear, every grandmother at the local farmers market would probably be a doctor, a physical therapist, a trainer, or even a nuclear physicist. I’m pointing out that I don't see much purpose in this debate, as it doesn't help the author of the thread or any of us participating in it. Honestly, I wonder if we can even understand each other like this; I have a feeling that communicating via typing is making it difficult for us to reach any common ground.

I’d love to see everyone contributing to this topic in a meaningful way by offering solid advice to people struggling with back issues. Especially in the sports world, I’m noticing more and more coaches—even professionals—who completely overlook their athletes' posture. As for physical therapists, don't even get me started; while there are some truly excellent ones here in the States, a huge number of them seem to have a knowledge base no deeper than a random YouTube clip. I’m appealing to you and Nicole Ross: if you have the time, please be helpful and share a few exercises that people can actually do themselves—at their desks at work, in bed when they wake up, or even in a pool if they find themselves there. Some basic exercises would likely do much more good than the back-and-forth arguments we've been having so far. Best regards.

Sean Bailey75 said:I’ll say it again: I really don't want to get bogged down in debates about different theories and types of muscle atrophy. If everything could be explained by comparing it to the elastic in a pair of underwear, every grandmother at the local farmers market would probably be a doctor, a physical therapist, a trainer, or even a nuclear physicist. I’m pointing out that I don't see much purpose in this debate, as it doesn't help the author of the thread or any of us participating in it. Honestly, I wonder if we can even understand each other like this; I have a feeling that communicating via typing is making it difficult for us to reach any common ground.

I’d love to see everyone contributing to this topic in a meaningful way by offering solid advice to people struggling with back issues. Especially in the sports world, I’m noticing more and more coaches—even professionals—who completely overlook their athletes' posture. As for physical therapists, don't even get me started; while there are some truly excellent ones here in the States, a huge number of them seem to have a knowledge base no deeper than a random YouTube clip. I’m appealing to you and Nicole Ross: if you have the time, please be helpful and share a few exercises that people can actually do themselves—at their desks at work, in bed when they wake up, or even in a pool if they find themselves there. Some basic exercises would likely do much more good than the back-and-forth arguments we've been having so far. Best regards.

How did everyone become so concerned all of a sudden...🙂

The rubber band was just an example to show what happens to muscles during prolonged stretching—to give readers an idea of what's happening to the spinal muscles when someone is hunched over. There's no need to act like it's being trivialized, right?

I'm no professional here—just a girl who's put in the work to understand why modern physical therapy, despite all our medical advances, still struggles so much with rehabilitation. Everything written here is meant to help people understand why things are happening to them in the first place.
Mr. Ernst is trying to explain the difference between his approach to physical therapy and the classic method—anyone who actually takes the time to read carefully will see what he's getting at.
Posture is highly individual. Suggesting somatic exercises without knowing a patient's exact condition doesn't make much sense, and I think we can all agree on that. Also, from what I've gathered, those exercises need to be learned properly and should be done under a physical therapist's guidance. Once those exercises actually work—meaning once the posture is corrected—then we can suggest maintenance exercises to keep the musculoskeletal system functioning optimally.
And seriously—there’s no reason to act superior to anyone. You never know how much knowledge or experience the person on the other side of the screen actually has. No matter how confident you feel in your own expertise, there's always someone smarter to learn from, and you can always refine or even change your own perspective.🙂

rustybadger42 said:How did everyone become so concerned all of a sudden...🙂

The rubber band was just an example to show what happens to muscles during prolonged stretching—to give readers an idea of what's happening to the spinal muscles when someone is hunched over. There's no need to act like it's being trivialized, right?

I'm no professional here—just a girl who's put in the work to understand why modern physical therapy, despite all our medical advances, still struggles so much with rehabilitation. Everything written here is meant to help people understand why things are happening to them in the first place.
Mr. Ernst is trying to explain the difference between his approach to physical therapy and the classic method—anyone who actually takes the time to read carefully will see what he's getting at.
Posture is highly individual. Suggesting somatic exercises without knowing a patient's exact condition doesn't make much sense, and I think we can all agree on that. Also, from what I've gathered, those exercises need to be learned properly and should be done under a physical therapist's guidance. Once those exercises actually work—meaning once the posture is corrected—then we can suggest maintenance exercises to keep the musculoskeletal system functioning optimally.
And seriously—there’s no reason to act superior to anyone. You never know how much knowledge or experience the person on the other side of the screen actually has. No matter how confident you feel in your own expertise, there's always someone smarter to learn from, and you can always refine or even change your own perspective.🙂

Okay, let's put it this way. I'm just an ordinary person; I don't judge anyone even though I can make an assessment, I don't act superior despite having good results, and I love an equal conversation and a high-quality discussion.

You are a wonderful person for putting so much effort into understanding this so wisely. How you come across to others depends solely on you, but your question is truly excellent. In fact, I’d venture to say it deserves its own dedicated thread, because posting it here might be considered off-topic. You are right about most of the points you raised.

Mr. Ernst is a qualified physiotherapist who has worked with more than 600 patients so far. The way he communicates is unique to him, and that’s just how it is—everyone has their own specific way of communicating.

The internet is problematic because we can advocate for and explain the exact same thing in two completely different ways. Now, whether or not we actually understand each other... well, that’s a whole different story.

The modern lifestyle has alienated people. Physical therapy faces one major issue: that sense of alienation. A patient needs to be examined, felt, "looked at with the fingers." You know that feeling when you go to a farmer's market and you're feeling the carrots to see if they're good, and the lady asks what you're doing, so you tell her to just look? And then she wisely responds, "You look with your eyes, not your fingers!" Well, that wise philosophy from the market ladies has seeped into many professionals, from doctors to physiotherapists, so many (not all) have lost that "feel" for "looking." Pain in a crisis or in the lumbar part of the spine can nowadays be run through a doctor, several physiotherapists, and a handful of sessions without any of them ever actually laying hands on the patient's back. It’s even possible for a patient to suffer from back pain for six months, go through MRIs/CT scans and a mountain of physical therapy, and still have no idea why it hurts. Then, that patient finds their way through certain channels to a quality massage therapist, physiotherapist, or chiropractor, and—poof—it's like magic. Of course, when I say quality, I don't mean people like Ante Pavlovic and similar "therapists."

So, the real question is: can we actually help people? Absolutely. We can help them through simple exercises that are guaranteed to make a difference. Just like a cat scratches at a chair or a bear claws at a tree branch, a person can certainly help themselves using specific movements. Of course, the absolute best way to progress would be to have a professional on hand to correct your form, but let's be honest—that isn't exactly easy on the wallet for most people these days. That’s why, if someone doesn't have the funds to afford that kind of luxury, those of us who are kind and good-hearted (I really loved your term 🙂, so I'm going to borrow it here!) could step up and offer some help through our own experiences and positive guidance, don't you think? So, I'm suggesting that both you and Mr. Ernst take a moment to share some insights on these exercises. That way, we stay perfectly on topic, and the people reading this looking for actual solutions will have something tangible to learn from. Isn't that a much better idea than just endless theorizing?

Sean Bailey75 said:Look, we could go on like this until tomorrow. I'm saying that constant muscle tension leads to cramping and chronic inflammation, which eventually exhausts the muscles and prevents any real progress. You disagree because you think the muscle will become hyper-tense, get too fatigued, and lead to constant muscle fiber breakdown—but you argue that this constant contraction originates in the brain. Essentially, we are saying the same thing, but you won't agree with me because you insist the command comes from the brain.

Let's be clear: I'm not interested in debating or "winning" anything here. You asked a question, and I answered it. I respect physical therapy and any therapist who does great work. However, the internet isn't always the best place for people to truly understand one another; you have to read carefully, and even then, there's no guarantee you'll fully grasp what your interlocutor means. Emphasizing our disagreement just because, for example, motor commands originate in the brain, is honestly just unnecessary discourse.

I am searching for a top-tier physical therapist with solid references for someone who has suffered a stroke and needs to fully regain motor function. In recent months, he has managed to walk again with some excellent therapists at a wellness resort, but he has absolutely no sensation in his arms. It is not easy at all to find a high-quality, skilled specialist. If anyone knows a premier expert who could work in the Chicago area near the 2014 vicinity, let me know so I can arrange a consultation. The patient is very determined and demanding; he pays well, but he is extremely strict about criteria (meaning one mistake or one wrong approach, and it's goodbye). So, this is an appeal not just to you, but to anyone who might know a specialist capable of helping this man become motorically capable again, just as he was before.

So, I'll say it again: I'm not looking to judge or argue if there's nothing to be gained from it. I'll just suggest that perhaps it would be better to offer advice to people struggling with back issues rather than wasting keystrokes on this. Maybe I'm wrong, but allow me to step away from this debate, as I don't think I can contribute anything more intelligent to the topic. Cheers, and thanks for understanding.

Well, look,
I've worked with stroke recovery before, and the situation can definitely be improved. That said, they really need to meet someone in person and actually talk things through. The potential for help depends heavily on the state of his CNS. If that isn't functioning properly due to injury or illness, then differentiation alone won't do much for him, because we're essentially talking about an educational process here. I only practice in Brežice.

As for helping people through this forum via specific exercises... it's a bit of a tricky one.
I've tried coaching people remotely via email before, but it just doesn't work. First, they have to regain sensation through active therapy and personal movement learning—basically figuring out what they've lost due to poor proprioception. That requires hands-on contact and direct feedback from my side, which allows the person to feel things differently and consciously release those tight muscles.
There’s no other way. Once they can consciously feel and understand that, *then* I can work with them via Skype to provide new progressions and tools. Without that initial step, they simply won't "feel" it, and everything else becomes pointless.

It's the same reason you can't learn a kettlebell swing just by watching YouTube or reading a forum. Without direct feedback from a coach, everything ends up being technically incorrect, and you lose all the actual value and effect.

I'm mentioning this just so they have a different perspective on rehabilitation and solving the problem, but they really do need to come in and relearn what they've lost over time.

Sean Bailey75 said:Okay, let's put it this way. I'm just an ordinary person; I don't judge anyone even though I can make an assessment, I don't act superior despite having good results, and I love an equal conversation and a high-quality discussion.

You are a wonderful person for putting so much effort into understanding this so wisely. How you come across to others depends solely on you, but your question is truly excellent. In fact, I’d venture to say it deserves its own dedicated thread, because posting it here might be considered off-topic. You are right about most of the points you raised.

Mr. Ernst is a qualified physiotherapist who has worked with more than 600 patients so far. The way he communicates is unique to him, and that’s just how it is—everyone has their own specific way of communicating.

The internet is problematic because we can advocate for and explain the exact same thing in two completely different ways. Now, whether or not we actually understand each other... well, that’s a whole different story.

The modern lifestyle has alienated people. Physical therapy faces one major issue: that sense of alienation. A patient needs to be examined, felt, "looked at with the fingers." You know that feeling when you go to a farmer's market and you're feeling the carrots to see if they're good, and the lady asks what you're doing, so you tell her to just look? And then she wisely responds, "You look with your eyes, not your fingers!" Well, that wise philosophy from the market ladies has seeped into many professionals, from doctors to physiotherapists, so many (not all) have lost that "feel" for "looking." Pain in a crisis or in the lumbar part of the spine can nowadays be run through a doctor, several physiotherapists, and a handful of sessions without any of them ever actually laying hands on the patient's back. It’s even possible for a patient to suffer from back pain for six months, go through MRIs/CT scans and a mountain of physical therapy, and still have no idea why it hurts. Then, that patient finds their way through certain channels to a quality massage therapist, physiotherapist, or chiropractor, and—poof—it's like magic. Of course, when I say quality, I don't mean people like Ante Pavlovic and similar "therapists."

So, the real question is: can we actually help people? Absolutely. We can help them through simple exercises that are guaranteed to make a difference. Just like a cat scratches at a chair or a bear claws at a tree branch, a person can certainly help themselves using specific movements. Of course, the absolute best way to progress would be to have a professional on hand to correct your form, but let's be honest—that isn't exactly easy on the wallet for most people these days. That’s why, if someone doesn't have the funds to afford that kind of luxury, those of us who are kind and good-hearted (I really loved your term 🙂, so I'm going to borrow it here!) could step up and offer some help through our own experiences and positive guidance, don't you think? So, I'm suggesting that both you and Mr. Ernst take a moment to share some insights on these exercises. That way, we stay perfectly on topic, and the people reading this looking for actual solutions will have something tangible to learn from. Isn't that a much better idea than just endless theorizing?

Bravo! 👍
That really should be the whole point of these discussions—not just endless philosophizing and theorizing, but actually demonstrating how things are done properly (🙂).

If you have any different insights, please, share more information! Share literature, recommend books, anything. Don't just give us a "there's a faster, easier way" teaser and leave it at that. If anyone wants to actually learn something deeper, they shouldn't have to travel all the way to Brežice to find it. 🙄

Sean Bailey75 said:Okay, let's put it this way. I'm just an ordinary person; I don't judge anyone even though I can make an assessment, I don't act superior despite having good results, and I love an equal conversation and a high-quality discussion.

You are a wonderful person for putting so much effort into understanding this so wisely. How you come across to others depends solely on you, but your question is truly excellent. In fact, I’d venture to say it deserves its own dedicated thread, because posting it here might be considered off-topic. You are right about most of the points you raised.

Mr. Ernst is a qualified physiotherapist who has worked with more than 600 patients so far. The way he communicates is unique to him, and that’s just how it is—everyone has their own specific way of communicating.

The internet is problematic because we can advocate for and explain the exact same thing in two completely different ways. Now, whether or not we actually understand each other... well, that’s a whole different story.

The modern lifestyle has alienated people. Physical therapy faces one major issue: that sense of alienation. A patient needs to be examined, felt, "looked at with the fingers." You know that feeling when you go to a farmer's market and you're feeling the carrots to see if they're good, and the lady asks what you're doing, so you tell her to just look? And then she wisely responds, "You look with your eyes, not your fingers!" Well, that wise philosophy from the market ladies has seeped into many professionals, from doctors to physiotherapists, so many (not all) have lost that "feel" for "looking." Pain in a crisis or in the lumbar part of the spine can nowadays be run through a doctor, several physiotherapists, and a handful of sessions without any of them ever actually laying hands on the patient's back. It’s even possible for a patient to suffer from back pain for six months, go through MRIs/CT scans and a mountain of physical therapy, and still have no idea why it hurts. Then, that patient finds their way through certain channels to a quality massage therapist, physiotherapist, or chiropractor, and—poof—it's like magic. Of course, when I say quality, I don't mean people like Ante Pavlovic and similar "therapists."

So, the real question is: can we actually help people? Absolutely. We can help them through simple exercises that are guaranteed to make a difference. Just like a cat scratches at a chair or a bear claws at a tree branch, a person can certainly help themselves using specific movements. Of course, the absolute best way to progress would be to have a professional on hand to correct your form, but let's be honest—that isn't exactly easy on the wallet for most people these days. That’s why, if someone doesn't have the funds to afford that kind of luxury, those of us who are kind and good-hearted (I really loved your term 🙂, so I'm going to borrow it here!) could step up and offer some help through our own experiences and positive guidance, don't you think? So, I'm suggesting that both you and Mr. Ernst take a moment to share some insights on these exercises. That way, we stay perfectly on topic, and the people reading this looking for actual solutions will have something tangible to learn from. Isn't that a much better idea than just endless theorizing?

Actually, I think that alienation itself isn't even as bad as the fact that people have become superficial, uninterested, and lazy.
Everything works on a "problem $\rightarrow$ solution" principle now... basically, "I have a problem, just tell me what to do, don't talk too much because I don't care how or why"... But that's not how it works.
To actually solve a problem and prevent it from happening again, a person has to put in the work to figure out how and why it happened in the first place. That's the only way things work in the long run. Generally speaking, in life.
My mind might be a bit more open to everything than most people's, but you still have to constantly re-examine what you know and compare it to new information. Even my biochemistry professor tried to drill into me that grains were the base of the food pyramid, but that didn't stop me from turning that pyramid upside down (not the professor, obviously—the pyramid).😁 We just are that way—everyone wants everything right now without putting in the work... but there's no real knowledge or progress without that struggle 🙂
This whole discussion stems from my original post, where I was trying to say that if you’re dealing with posture issues, my advice is to avoid doing strengthening exercises or stretching muscles that are already tight. That's the same advice I'll give my own child one day.
If you want actual, practical guidance, you could search Google for terms like sensory motor amnesia or Feldenkrais, or look up somatic exercises on YouTube—but if you actually take the time to sit down and really read up on it, you'll understand why working directly with a therapist is so vital 🙂

As some others have already pointed out, swimming is absolutely king, and I can't recommend it enough... 👍

Nicole Ross said:Well, look,
I've worked with stroke recovery before, and the situation can definitely be improved. That said, they really need to meet someone in person and actually talk things through. The potential for help depends heavily on the state of his CNS. If that isn't functioning properly due to injury or illness, then differentiation alone won't do much for him, because we're essentially talking about an educational process here. I only practice in Brežice.

As for helping people through this forum via specific exercises... it's a bit of a tricky one.
I've tried coaching people remotely via email before, but it just doesn't work. First, they have to regain sensation through active therapy and personal movement learning—basically figuring out what they've lost due to poor proprioception. That requires hands-on contact and direct feedback from my side, which allows the person to feel things differently and consciously release those tight muscles.
There’s no other way. Once they can consciously feel and understand that, *then* I can work with them via Skype to provide new progressions and tools. Without that initial step, they simply won't "feel" it, and everything else becomes pointless.

It's the same reason you can't learn a kettlebell swing just by watching YouTube or reading a forum. Without direct feedback from a coach, everything ends up being technically incorrect, and you lose all the actual value and effect.

I'm mentioning this just so they have a different perspective on rehabilitation and solving the problem, but they really do need to come in and relearn what they've lost over time.

This is a pretty atypical kind of injury and impairment, so I think it’s probably best if we just skip this topic altogether.

rustybadger42 said:Actually, I think that alienation itself isn't even as bad as the fact that people have become superficial, uninterested, and lazy.
Everything works on a "problem $\rightarrow$ solution" principle now... basically, "I have a problem, just tell me what to do, don't talk too much because I don't care how or why"... But that's not how it works.
To actually solve a problem and prevent it from happening again, a person has to put in the work to figure out how and why it happened in the first place. That's the only way things work in the long run. Generally speaking, in life.
My mind might be a bit more open to everything than most people's, but you still have to constantly re-examine what you know and compare it to new information. Even my biochemistry professor tried to drill into me that grains were the base of the food pyramid, but that didn't stop me from turning that pyramid upside down (not the professor, obviously—the pyramid).😁 We just are that way—everyone wants everything right now without putting in the work... but there's no real knowledge or progress without that struggle 🙂
This whole discussion stems from my original post, where I was trying to say that if you’re dealing with posture issues, my advice is to avoid doing strengthening exercises or stretching muscles that are already tight. That's the same advice I'll give my own child one day.
If you want actual, practical guidance, you could search Google for terms like sensory motor amnesia or Feldenkrais, or look up somatic exercises on YouTube—but if you actually take the time to sit down and really read up on it, you'll understand why working directly with a therapist is so vital 🙂

Unfortunately, telling someone not to strengthen or stretch a muscle just because it feels "tight" isn't actually helpful advice. Even with all the info available on Google, it’s easy to miss the bigger picture: Moshe Feldenkrais essentially took specific elements from Judo and a handful of training drills to develop what he called his own therapeutic gymnastics. What often gets overlooked is that this full therapeutic routine is actually integrated into every single Judo session as part of the warm-up. These specific exercises are designed to establish proper posture, which is vital for preventing injuries during training. In fact, these exact same movements can be incredibly beneficial for people dealing with spinal issues—though, in those cases, I'd definitely recommend working with a professional to ensure everything is being done correctly.

If you want to deal with stiff muscles, you really need to teach your body how to move naturally—which essentially means mastering the art of maximum contraction followed by total relaxation. It’s all about that balance. To ensure your postural muscles develop evenly, your routine should be perfectly symmetrical. This is especially crucial for anyone dealing with scoliosis, even if it's just a mild case. When I think about effective training, I look at staples like bridges, push-ups, pull-ups, dips, and various core work. Even deep breathing exercises play a huge role here. But the golden rule? Every single movement has to be performed with perfect technique. I often point to Arnold Schwarzenegger as the ultimate example of what can be achieved through disciplined training. In his younger years, he actually struggled with kyphosis, which he managed to correct through targeted therapeutic exercises in the gym. Once he realized just how much progress he could make under great coaching, he leaned into it and eventually became the most famous bodybuilder on the planet. One more thing that's absolutely vital: you have to learn how to actually let the muscle relax after you've contracted it. If you're dealing with muscles that feel incredibly tight or "stuck," working with a specialist can be a total game-changer to help facilitate that release.

Most of these changes only really start to show after a significant amount of time has passed. For instance, trying to fix scapular issues or scoliosis in your back is a massive undertaking—it's incredibly difficult to see real progress in less than a year. Honestly, that kind of timeline can be pretty discouraging for people dealing with chronic back problems. And if they lack the willpower or just can't seem to wrap their heads around the fact that they've been struggling with poor posture for years? Well, then you really have to wonder how much help is actually possible.

So, let's break this down. Ultimately, everything hinges on a person's actual will to change for the better. You can have all the motivation in the world, but without the right knowledge regarding which specific exercises to actually perform, you're just spinning your wheels. Then there's the third—and arguably most critical—piece of the puzzle: supervision. It is incredibly difficult for practitioners to self-correct effectively. That’s exactly why people like you, or anyone else here with actual expertise in these issues, can be so helpful. You can point out those common postural mistakes that most people don't even realize they're making. To those of you struggling with back issues: please, feel free to jump in here. If you have specific questions while you're working through an exercise, ask them! Let's get technical. Because, let's be honest, simply asking, "Hey, can I just take a pill to make this go away, and how much does it cost?" is definitely not going to yield any real results.

Google doesn't have a clue—but certain individuals are well-versed in all those conspiracies used to deceive us by people with the credibility of someone like Moshe Feldenkrais, and we naive souls just fall for it, right? 🙂

Since Judo and Jiu Jitsu were mentioned, it would be worth drawing a parallel between the way movements are executed in complex disciplines like Judo, Jiu Jitsu, or Shotokan versus what actually happens in a typical gym setting.

And obviously, you have to relax the muscle after working it—if a muscle stays contracted for too long, it’s anything but relaxed. That’s really the whole point of this.

By the way, I'm seeing Mr. Ales next week—I've been dealing with some right shoulder issues that are causing my body to rotate and sending pain down into my hip and the left big toe—so if anyone is interested, I'll happily share how it goes here. 🙂

Honestly, trying to debate anything related to the core issue that started this whole thread with someone who deals with posture problems and holds such a specific view on Mr. Moshe Feldenkrais is just... well, it's pointless.

The real question here is how an expert can possibly relax a tense muscle if the person actually owning that muscle can't seem to do it themselves.

rustybadger42 said:Google doesn't have a clue—but certain individuals are well-versed in all those conspiracies used to deceive us by people with the credibility of someone like Moshe Feldenkrais, and we naive souls just fall for it, right? 🙂

Since Judo and Jiu Jitsu were mentioned, it would be worth drawing a parallel between the way movements are executed in complex disciplines like Judo, Jiu Jitsu, or Shotokan versus what actually happens in a typical gym setting.

And obviously, you have to relax the muscle after working it—if a muscle stays contracted for too long, it’s anything but relaxed. That’s really the whole point of this.

By the way, I'm seeing Mr. Ales next week—I've been dealing with some right shoulder issues that are causing my body to rotate and sending pain down into my hip and the left big toe—so if anyone is interested, I'll happily share how it goes here. 🙂

The problem with Googling things, or using the internet in general, is pretty straightforward: it just doesn't give you the full picture. Moshe Feldenkrais was truly a remarkable man—a brilliant mind and a healthy spirit living in a healthy body. It's worth noting, though, that Moshe wasn't actually a medical doctor; he was an engineer. In his younger years, he used to train in Jiu Jitsu, but after suffering an injury in another sport, he set out to find something that would help him recover both physically and motorically.

Keep in mind that back in the 1930s, physical therapy as we know it didn't exist, nor were there many specialists dedicated to the professional restoration of motor functions. However, Moshe happened to cross paths with the founder of modern Judo, Jigoro Kano, and they formed a friendship. Kano actually assisted him by demonstrating rehabilitation methods integrated directly into Jiu Jitsu and Judo training sessions. In his younger years, Kano struggled with hyperlordosis, and it was his early training in Jiu Jitsu under skilled experts that helped him correct his posture and eventually become a top-tier athlete. Kano firmly believed that only a doctor or someone with a deep understanding of human anatomy and physiology could be a truly effective coach. Because of this, he specifically sought out such individuals to refine his physical preparation systems for training Jiu Jitsu and Judo athletes. Drawing inspiration from the European styles of exercise prevalent in the 19th century—think of the old-school Sokol movement and gymnastics—he developed a full-body warm-up system designed to virtually eliminate the risk of injury while maximizing a practitioner's motor abilities over time. His training was so thoughtfully structured that even people with disabilities could follow it. By the time Moshe started training with him, Kano already had over 60 years of experience rehabilitating countless athletes. By returning to training under this absolute master, Moshe achieved a full recovery. After Jigoro Kano passed away, Moshe continued teaching Judo and would suggest specific exercises from the training sessions to people if he felt they might help them, much like how Kano used to tailor his exercises. Following World War II, word spread quickly—though, since there was no internet back then, it all traveled via oral tradition—and many people began seeking out Moshe to help with their posture. Those headstands, handstands, and various movements now associated with the Feldenkrais Method are really just a few select exercises used in Judo and Jiu Jitsu training when performed according to the principles Jigoro Kano established over a century ago. Furthermore, Moshe didn't actually call it the "Feldenkrais Method"; he referred to it as Functional Integration, functional restoration, and similar terms. It wasn't until after his passing that institutions bearing his name began labeling everything as the "Feldenkrais Method." To put it bluntly, after Moshe died in 1984, many people started using his name to market themselves. The core teachings became diluted, and the training itself was watered down simply to attract more patients for therapy. In other words, you won't find it written anywhere online that the true foundation of Moshe’s teachings was functional restoration, or that the term "Feldenkrais Method" was essentially coined after his life and isn't the original teaching of either Jigoro Kano or Moshe Feldenkrais.

It would honestly help so much if we approached interpretation the right way. If we did, we could move past those personal biases that make us jump to conspiracy theories and instead realize that we might have just missed something vital during our initial analysis of the facts. Both Kano and Moshe are completely consistent on this point: achieving proper alignment requires professional intervention and dedicated practice aimed at restoring high-quality posture. You don't just "wish" for good posture; you achieve it through specific exercises. And if corrections are needed? Then it's all about muscle development and restoring true functionality.

Jigoro Kano actually gathered quite a bit of data regarding exercises that impact proper posture, eventually preserving those teachings within the massage and chiropractic techniques we recognize today as Yumeiho. It turns out that so many people struggle with hip issues without even realizing it. Just one session of Yumeiho therapy or massage can restore hip functionality so effectively that it often catches people completely by surprise. Whether you're dealing with back pain, hip discomfort, or general postural issues, a huge number of these problems tend to vanish in a relatively short amount of time. Plus, the additional exercises recommended during the process can help prevent these issues from resurfacing later on—after all, it’s always better to prevent a problem than to treat one—and helps steer you away from chronic inflammation.

It’s getting harder and harder to find true masters these days who actually practice full Judo or Jiu Jitsu exactly how Jigoro Kano originally intended. After he passed away, everything just seemed to fragment. The therapeutic side of Jiu Jitsu drifted off to become what we now call Yumeiho, while the competitive aspects were funneled strictly into modern Judo. Even the core fundamentals of traditional Jiu Jitsu, along with the softer, non-contact styles like Aikijujutsu and Aikido, all became diluted over time. Because that original system was so incredibly complex, it's on the verge of being completely forgotten. My fear is that people are going to end up "rediscovering" the wheel all over again—likely via the internet. It'll be quite a sight to see them stumble upon ancient, foundational principles and mistake them for some cutting-edge breakthrough from modern science.

If you don't have the chance to train traditional Judo or Jiu Jitsu right away, you can still get a head start by educating yourself on common postural issues affecting the back and discovering which specific exercises might help correct them. Here is a breakdown of classic postural problems along with a list of recommended exercises that can assist in improving your alignment:

If you're looking to dive deep into the mechanics of how we hold ourselves, you really need to check out this resource: http://www.exrx.net/Kinesiology/Posture.html It’s a fantastic breakdown of postural assessment and the kinesiology behind it. Whether you're trying to correct Hyperlordosis or just want to understand why your alignment feels off, this site provides some seriously solid information. It's definitely worth a look if you're serious about improving your movement patterns!

So, here is what I suggest: first, everyone needs to figure out exactly what kind of issue they are dealing with. Once you have a handle on that, go consult with some specialists or doctors. My advice? Try to find the more seasoned physicians—the ones who actually know how to spot postural issues. A lot of the younger doctors these days don't seem to pay much attention to how massive this phenomenon has become. You want someone who can provide a confident, reliable diagnosis. Once the problem is officially diagnosed, the next step is to hunt down the root cause. You shouldn't just mask the symptoms; you need to address the actual reason why your body is holding itself that way in the first place. Resolve that underlying cause, and while you're working on that, simultaneously incorporate specific exercises designed to restore functionality to those postural muscles.

Nicole Ross said:Honestly, trying to debate anything related to the core issue that started this whole thread with someone who deals with posture problems and holds such a specific view on Mr. Moshe Feldenkrais is just... well, it's pointless.

The real question here is how an expert can possibly relax a tense muscle if the person actually owning that muscle can't seem to do it themselves.

Nicole Ross, it’s clear we aren't seeing eye to eye here. First off, I have absolutely no intention of turning this into a debate. Second, I wasn't actually offering my personal opinion on Moshe Feldenkrais; I was simply laying out the facts. There are various methods out there for muscle relaxation, and frankly, it seems incomprehensible to me that a physical therapist wouldn't be aware of them. However, since I can sense a tone here that is purely designed to provoke an argument, I don't see any point in continuing to type on this forum thread. I DO NOT WANT TO DEBATE, fight, or even disagree with anyone—I'm just going to accept that we all have different perceptions. I’ll tell you that you're right and I'm wrong, and then I'll go off to do something much wiser and more productive than typing away on a message board.

all good

Of course there isn't just one way to do things—there are plenty of paths. I just laid out what I see as the root causes of postural issues for the original poster, specifically focusing on the traps people fall into when they follow the traditional route of just cranking up strength training or stretching. It’s all about how those methods fail them, and how my approach offers a way out. Since there were some reactions to that, I figured I’d weigh in again.

As for you, wearyotter81, I honestly think it would be a massive help if you picked up at least "Awareness Through Movement, Body & Matura Behavior" by Moshe Feldenkrais. Once you dive into that, you'll realize that Judo was really just a tiny fraction of what he uncovered—it was actually the catalyst that allowed proprioceptive therapeutics to flourish. That body of knowledge has been refined ever since, making the processes faster and more lasting; eventually, the therapist isn't even needed anymore once the foundation is set.
The approach Moshe pioneered is becoming more vital by the day because so many people lose their intuitive sense of how their bodies move while they're still incredibly young. They end up performing exercises and training regimens designed for an era when kids were still climbing trees and crawling around on the ground. The fallout? By the time they hit their early 20s, they're already dealing with the same physical struggles their parents didn't face until they were 50 or 55. And let's be honest—that age threshold is dropping every year.

What I wanted to show the OP is that there is a way to resolve these issues in just 4 or 5 sessions—roughly 8 hours of work total—combined with just thirty minutes of daily practice at home. That's enough to restore a balanced posture and give them the tools to maintain it for life. After that? They can go lift weights as much as they want.

cheers

Nicole Ross said:all good

Of course there isn't just one way to do things—there are plenty of paths. I just laid out what I see as the root causes of postural issues for the original poster, specifically focusing on the traps people fall into when they follow the traditional route of just cranking up strength training or stretching. It’s all about how those methods fail them, and how my approach offers a way out. Since there were some reactions to that, I figured I’d weigh in again.

As for you, wearyotter81, I honestly think it would be a massive help if you picked up at least "Awareness Through Movement, Body & Matura Behavior" by Moshe Feldenkrais. Once you dive into that, you'll realize that Judo was really just a tiny fraction of what he uncovered—it was actually the catalyst that allowed proprioceptive therapeutics to flourish. That body of knowledge has been refined ever since, making the processes faster and more lasting; eventually, the therapist isn't even needed anymore once the foundation is set.
The approach Moshe pioneered is becoming more vital by the day because so many people lose their intuitive sense of how their bodies move while they're still incredibly young. They end up performing exercises and training regimens designed for an era when kids were still climbing trees and crawling around on the ground. The fallout? By the time they hit their early 20s, they're already dealing with the same physical struggles their parents didn't face until they were 50 or 55. And let's be honest—that age threshold is dropping every year.

What I wanted to show the OP is that there is a way to resolve these issues in just 4 or 5 sessions—roughly 8 hours of work total—combined with just thirty minutes of daily practice at home. That's enough to restore a balanced posture and give them the tools to maintain it for life. After that? They can go lift weights as much as they want.

cheers

Hey, could you please dive a bit deeper into Moshe for me? I really appreciate the recommendation to check out his later works. However, the fact remains that while Kano was still around, this man was in his thirties and was referring to his teachings as the Kano Method in most of those French sources. After Kano passed away in 1938, he actually had a coach named Mikinosuke Kawaishi, so it makes sense that he wrote about the Kawaishi Method. Then, once he got older and moved away from active training, he started writing about all sorts of different things.

Kudos to Moshe for bringing the awareness of therapeutic gymnastics to people in France, and later taking those concepts to the USA and even Israel. However, he wasn't truly the founder of the therapeutic gymnastics idea—that was passed down to him by Jigoro Kano. And honestly, looking at what happened after Moshe passed away in 1984, it’s a bit disheartening. You see practitioners today who will spend an entire hour performing a single five-minute exercise just so they can charge people by the hour. It feels more like a business tactic than actual healing. Furthermore, he stripped away the entire system of therapeutic massage and pressure points that used to exist within Jiu Jitsu, which he had previously introduced under the Kano Method. As a result, you rarely find a modern Jiu Jitsu master, physical therapist, or doctor who actually understands how to physically manipulate a nerve or a muscle—how to use their hands to adjust tissue when someone is physically healthy but struggling with functional issues or pain. Nowadays, most experts just pass the responsibility off to a massage therapist. But maybe that’s exactly why we see so much chronic pain in the lower back, hips, spine, or neck—areas that are nearly impossible for a person to reach and treat themselves. There are countless people who are technically "healthy" but constantly battling back spasms, hip issues, neck tension, or headaches. Because Kano gathered doctors back in the 19th century, they were able to document the most common causes of these pains and propose methods to solve them with a double effect: eliminating the root cause while simultaneously improving muscular functionality.

To put it simply, Moshe didn't actually uncover a whole new world of information; he’s quite honest about that in the earlier editions of his books. He expresses such deep gratitude toward Jigoro Kano for helping him resolve the pain and physical setbacks caused by a soccer injury—back then, he was writing some truly excellent material. You can really sense how much he missed Kano in his later works after his passing, largely because the Kawaishi Method just didn't carry the same depth of knowledge that Kano possessed. I truly respect him for everything he did to promote and popularize therapeutic gymnastics. If anyone out there is looking to learn more about maintaining healthy backs and improving posture, my advice would be to go straight to the source: read Kano’s original works. For those interested in Moshe's perspective, I’d suggest reading his writings from the period when Kano was still alive and providing recommendations or forewords. It’s a great way to see the consistency in his writing before he aged and things shifted. While I have immense respect for Moshe, I do harbor a small grievance: I wish he had put more effort into popularizing the original Jiu Jitsu to the rest of the world. But, to be fair, it makes sense. Moshe’s connection to Jiu Jitsu was always rooted in his own health and recovery, rather than a desire to develop the discipline into a full-blown way of life.

Jiu Jitsu is fundamentally an incredible discipline for building up those who feel weak or frail. It proves that anyone—from a three-year-old kid to a hundred-year-old woman—can engage in contact sports. It shows that people can be healthy and, more importantly, that there is a way for them to help themselves. I absolutely agree that issues like spinal misalignment can be addressed with just four or five sessions or training bouts, combined with about thirty minutes of personal practice daily over a set period. At the end of the day, it really just comes down to who actually wants to put in the work; that’s the whole point of recreation. Because if someone with back issues isn't willing to actually train, they aren't going to see any results.

Sean Bailey75 said:The problem with Googling things, or using the internet in general, is pretty straightforward: it just doesn't give you the full picture. Moshe Feldenkrais was truly a remarkable man—a brilliant mind and a healthy spirit living in a healthy body. It's worth noting, though, that Moshe wasn't actually a medical doctor; he was an engineer. In his younger years, he used to train in Jiu Jitsu, but after suffering an injury in another sport, he set out to find something that would help him recover both physically and motorically.

Keep in mind that back in the 1930s, physical therapy as we know it didn't exist, nor were there many specialists dedicated to the professional restoration of motor functions. However, Moshe happened to cross paths with the founder of modern Judo, Jigoro Kano, and they formed a friendship. Kano actually assisted him by demonstrating rehabilitation methods integrated directly into Jiu Jitsu and Judo training sessions. In his younger years, Kano struggled with hyperlordosis, and it was his early training in Jiu Jitsu under skilled experts that helped him correct his posture and eventually become a top-tier athlete. Kano firmly believed that only a doctor or someone with a deep understanding of human anatomy and physiology could be a truly effective coach. Because of this, he specifically sought out such individuals to refine his physical preparation systems for training Jiu Jitsu and Judo athletes. Drawing inspiration from the European styles of exercise prevalent in the 19th century—think of the old-school Sokol movement and gymnastics—he developed a full-body warm-up system designed to virtually eliminate the risk of injury while maximizing a practitioner's motor abilities over time. His training was so thoughtfully structured that even people with disabilities could follow it. By the time Moshe started training with him, Kano already had over 60 years of experience rehabilitating countless athletes. By returning to training under this absolute master, Moshe achieved a full recovery. After Jigoro Kano passed away, Moshe continued teaching Judo and would suggest specific exercises from the training sessions to people if he felt they might help them, much like how Kano used to tailor his exercises. Following World War II, word spread quickly—though, since there was no internet back then, it all traveled via oral tradition—and many people began seeking out Moshe to help with their posture. Those headstands, handstands, and various movements now associated with the Feldenkrais Method are really just a few select exercises used in Judo and Jiu Jitsu training when performed according to the principles Jigoro Kano established over a century ago. Furthermore, Moshe didn't actually call it the "Feldenkrais Method"; he referred to it as Functional Integration, functional restoration, and similar terms. It wasn't until after his passing that institutions bearing his name began labeling everything as the "Feldenkrais Method." To put it bluntly, after Moshe died in 1984, many people started using his name to market themselves. The core teachings became diluted, and the training itself was watered down simply to attract more patients for therapy. In other words, you won't find it written anywhere online that the true foundation of Moshe’s teachings was functional restoration, or that the term "Feldenkrais Method" was essentially coined after his life and isn't the original teaching of either Jigoro Kano or Moshe Feldenkrais.

It would honestly help so much if we approached interpretation the right way. If we did, we could move past those personal biases that make us jump to conspiracy theories and instead realize that we might have just missed something vital during our initial analysis of the facts. Both Kano and Moshe are completely consistent on this point: achieving proper alignment requires professional intervention and dedicated practice aimed at restoring high-quality posture. You don't just "wish" for good posture; you achieve it through specific exercises. And if corrections are needed? Then it's all about muscle development and restoring true functionality.

Jigoro Kano actually gathered quite a bit of data regarding exercises that impact proper posture, eventually preserving those teachings within the massage and chiropractic techniques we recognize today as Yumeiho. It turns out that so many people struggle with hip issues without even realizing it. Just one session of Yumeiho therapy or massage can restore hip functionality so effectively that it often catches people completely by surprise. Whether you're dealing with back pain, hip discomfort, or general postural issues, a huge number of these problems tend to vanish in a relatively short amount of time. Plus, the additional exercises recommended during the process can help prevent these issues from resurfacing later on—after all, it’s always better to prevent a problem than to treat one—and helps steer you away from chronic inflammation.

It’s getting harder and harder to find true masters these days who actually practice full Judo or Jiu Jitsu exactly how Jigoro Kano originally intended. After he passed away, everything just seemed to fragment. The therapeutic side of Jiu Jitsu drifted off to become what we now call Yumeiho, while the competitive aspects were funneled strictly into modern Judo. Even the core fundamentals of traditional Jiu Jitsu, along with the softer, non-contact styles like Aikijujutsu and Aikido, all became diluted over time. Because that original system was so incredibly complex, it's on the verge of being completely forgotten. My fear is that people are going to end up "rediscovering" the wheel all over again—likely via the internet. It'll be quite a sight to see them stumble upon ancient, foundational principles and mistake them for some cutting-edge breakthrough from modern science.

If you don't have the chance to train traditional Judo or Jiu Jitsu right away, you can still get a head start by educating yourself on common postural issues affecting the back and discovering which specific exercises might help correct them. Here is a breakdown of classic postural problems along with a list of recommended exercises that can assist in improving your alignment:

If you're looking to dive deep into the mechanics of how we hold ourselves, you really need to check out this resource: http://www.exrx.net/Kinesiology/Posture.html It’s a fantastic breakdown of postural assessment and the kinesiology behind it. Whether you're trying to correct Hyperlordosis or just want to understand why your alignment feels off, this site provides some seriously solid information. It's definitely worth a look if you're serious about improving your movement patterns!

So, here is what I suggest: first, everyone needs to figure out exactly what kind of issue they are dealing with. Once you have a handle on that, go consult with some specialists or doctors. My advice? Try to find the more seasoned physicians—the ones who actually know how to spot postural issues. A lot of the younger doctors these days don't seem to pay much attention to how massive this phenomenon has become. You want someone who can provide a confident, reliable diagnosis. Once the problem is officially diagnosed, the next step is to hunt down the root cause. You shouldn't just mask the symptoms; you need to address the actual reason why your body is holding itself that way in the first place. Resolve that underlying cause, and while you're working on that, simultaneously incorporate specific exercises designed to restore functionality to those postural muscles.

Nicole Ross, it’s clear we aren't seeing eye to eye here. First off, I have absolutely no intention of turning this into a debate. Second, I wasn't actually offering my personal opinion on Moshe Feldenkrais; I was simply laying out the facts. There are various methods out there for muscle relaxation, and frankly, it seems incomprehensible to me that a physical therapist wouldn't be aware of them. However, since I can sense a tone here that is purely designed to provoke an argument, I don't see any point in continuing to type on this forum thread. I DO NOT WANT TO DEBATE, fight, or even disagree with anyone—I'm just going to accept that we all have different perceptions. I’ll tell you that you're right and I'm wrong, and then I'll go off to do something much wiser and more productive than typing away on a message board.

The term Feldenkrais Method was mentioned primarily to educate anyone wanting to learn more about the causes of postural issues and how to fix them, as it's a recognized part of the literature.
I know who Moshe Feldenkrais was, so there's really no need for all this writing.
I don't agree that his approach to physical rehab—or approaches like it—will be forgotten, because modern medicine has already exhausted everything it had to offer.
It really surprises me that, despite everything written here, people are claiming that muscles in the state described by the OP absolutely must be strengthened and stretched.

Sean Bailey75 said:Hey, could you please dive a bit deeper into Moshe for me? I really appreciate the recommendation to check out his later works. However, the fact remains that while Kano was still around, this man was in his thirties and was referring to his teachings as the Kano Method in most of those French sources. After Kano passed away in 1938, he actually had a coach named Mikinosuke Kawaishi, so it makes sense that he wrote about the Kawaishi Method. Then, once he got older and moved away from active training, he started writing about all sorts of different things.

Kudos to Moshe for bringing the awareness of therapeutic gymnastics to people in France, and later taking those concepts to the USA and even Israel. However, he wasn't truly the founder of the therapeutic gymnastics idea—that was passed down to him by Jigoro Kano. And honestly, looking at what happened after Moshe passed away in 1984, it’s a bit disheartening. You see practitioners today who will spend an entire hour performing a single five-minute exercise just so they can charge people by the hour. It feels more like a business tactic than actual healing. Furthermore, he stripped away the entire system of therapeutic massage and pressure points that used to exist within Jiu Jitsu, which he had previously introduced under the Kano Method. As a result, you rarely find a modern Jiu Jitsu master, physical therapist, or doctor who actually understands how to physically manipulate a nerve or a muscle—how to use their hands to adjust tissue when someone is physically healthy but struggling with functional issues or pain. Nowadays, most experts just pass the responsibility off to a massage therapist. But maybe that’s exactly why we see so much chronic pain in the lower back, hips, spine, or neck—areas that are nearly impossible for a person to reach and treat themselves. There are countless people who are technically "healthy" but constantly battling back spasms, hip issues, neck tension, or headaches. Because Kano gathered doctors back in the 19th century, they were able to document the most common causes of these pains and propose methods to solve them with a double effect: eliminating the root cause while simultaneously improving muscular functionality.

To put it simply, Moshe didn't actually uncover a whole new world of information; he’s quite honest about that in the earlier editions of his books. He expresses such deep gratitude toward Jigoro Kano for helping him resolve the pain and physical setbacks caused by a soccer injury—back then, he was writing some truly excellent material. You can really sense how much he missed Kano in his later works after his passing, largely because the Kawaishi Method just didn't carry the same depth of knowledge that Kano possessed. I truly respect him for everything he did to promote and popularize therapeutic gymnastics. If anyone out there is looking to learn more about maintaining healthy backs and improving posture, my advice would be to go straight to the source: read Kano’s original works. For those interested in Moshe's perspective, I’d suggest reading his writings from the period when Kano was still alive and providing recommendations or forewords. It’s a great way to see the consistency in his writing before he aged and things shifted. While I have immense respect for Moshe, I do harbor a small grievance: I wish he had put more effort into popularizing the original Jiu Jitsu to the rest of the world. But, to be fair, it makes sense. Moshe’s connection to Jiu Jitsu was always rooted in his own health and recovery, rather than a desire to develop the discipline into a full-blown way of life.

Jiu Jitsu is fundamentally an incredible discipline for building up those who feel weak or frail. It proves that anyone—from a three-year-old kid to a hundred-year-old woman—can engage in contact sports. It shows that people can be healthy and, more importantly, that there is a way for them to help themselves. I absolutely agree that issues like spinal misalignment can be addressed with just four or five sessions or training bouts, combined with about thirty minutes of personal practice daily over a set period. At the end of the day, it really just comes down to who actually wants to put in the work; that’s the whole point of recreation. Because if someone with back issues isn't willing to actually train, they aren't going to see any results.

I'm glad I could help.
You analyzed his work in a couple of those long posts of yours—reducing everything down to just copying Mr. Kano—and then you have the nerve to say you haven't even touched his three most important books? Those books are basically the foundation for actually solving people's postural issues, and honestly, they don't even have much to do with Judo. You wrote that with such absolute certainty, too—as if you're 100% sure—but you're actually missing a huge chunk of what he discovered and how it can actually be used in practice to help a client.
That’s not really fair, is it?

And I see this pattern all the time—people using a bunch of massive, overly technical jargon just to confuse a client and make them believe the whole thing is incredibly complicated, takes forever, and requires an insane amount of willpower and effort.

Which isn't even true, because at its core, therapy for postural and motor problems should follow the same principles a baby uses to learn how to sit, crawl, and walk—without any coaches, weights, or stretching involved.

ps. If you actually sit down and read Case of Nora, you'll see exactly how he utilized Functional Integration to deal with the aftermath of a stroke (which is what you're looking for) ;-)