Interesting read... totally worth checking out

Socrates said:Honestly, just relax! I think there was a pretty decent group of people who were totally vibing with what you guys were saying 👍 😁

But hey, forget about them—this time, you're actually right. There were definitely moments where we played like we didn't have a single clue what we were doing 😁

Timothy Jones85 said:That was just my little take on a show by what I consider the absolute best rock band on this entire damn planet (though I used to think it was Accenture 😛), Queens of the Stone Age 😎

Actually, no, no, and definitely no! In my book, the greatest rock band on Earth has to be Bayer 😁

boldscout72 said:Alright, now we’ve wandered into territory that isn't even fit for public debate anymore because it's all just built on personal biases.

I was under the impression this whole Reddit exists specifically for people to air their personal biases.

Socrates said:I just went all out with my friends at that Christian rap show and I am absolutely wiped...

Look, let's be real. Even Christian rap is basically just pop music. Just like The Stooges... 😍

banderas said:Well, I suppose I’ll agree that if there's any truth to be found in those lyrics at all, it's purely a matter of imagination. Pathological, really...

So, what you're actually trying to get at here—is this something you feel is missing from your own industry?

coastalpanther11 said:I honestly always assumed this Reddit was meant specifically for settling personal disputes...

Well, certainly—especially if those individuals happen to be carrying their designer handbags under their arms during their downtime... 😁>

boldscout72 said:So, what you're saying is, this is something your industry is actually lacking?

Personally, I don't feel like the industry is missing anything in terms of pathology or teenage lyrics, but hey, to each their own. We can pick this up after class. 😁

Timothy Jones85 said:The author and I actually root for the same team.😁

Cleveland Guardians🤔

banderas said:Personally, I don't find myself missing all that angst and teenage lyricism one bit—but hey, to each their own, right? We can always pick this debate back up after graduation... 😁

Or maybe at the next Eclipse concert. 😁

Let’s be honest: this piece is poorly written and the subject matter is so muddy you can't even tell what the author is actually trying to say. But hey, I guess that still makes it better than 75% of the music coverage you find in the mainstream American media. Then we run into the issue of our pathetic club scene; aside from places like the legendary Bowery Ballroom, there isn't a single venue with a coherent, professional operation—not that the text even touches on it—but honestly, places like the Troubadour are totally screwed because they have zero actual programming. Our whole music scene is basically circling the drain, too. I mean, what is even happening if the supposed "fresh blood" is just bands like Ramirez and Elemental? Personally, I find Ramirez somewhat likable, but they feel like some Britpop cover band singing with American lyrics, and while Elemental absolutely kills it, they're really just a party band. And to top it all off, music journalists are the absolute peak of this godforsaken pyramid of uninspired, talentless, lazy, clueless hacks driven by nothing but personal agendas. They write without soul, without knowledge, and without any damn backbone. And on the rare occasion someone actually writes something with an actual opinion, it usually ends up being arrogant, inconsistent, or just blatant self-interest.
I mean, for starters, our "alternative" music journalists are either just terrible with words, or they're so incredibly jaded that they end up writing reviews for shows they never even attended, concerts that were canceled, or events they actually organized themselves... I mean, seriously, how can things get any worse when half of them are indirectly on the payroll of some major label? Or when you have people who somehow manage to be award show organizers, concert promoters, record label heads, journalists, and obnoxious critics all at the same time? To make matters worse, they write with this insufferable, condescending attitude.

boldscout72 said:Seriously, what are you guys even reading? Rolex? 😁

For one thing, 😁 🥳

David Sullivan4 said:Look, you don't have to forgive him. It's obvious some of the stuff the kid wrote is true. But the way he writes reminds me of cheap political pamphlets. And that's just, if you'll excuse me, idiotic. Especially in 2005.

👍

boldscout72, it’s not the "political pamphlet" part that’s the issue, it's the calling it "cheap." 😛

It sucks, it sucks, it sucks, it sucks... I actually agreed with some of his points at first, but you can't write something where you just bash everything you dislike and force the reader to hunt for the actual meaning between the lines. It doesn't matter if it's criticism, commentary, reporting, a column, or an essay—it has to be well written.

Timothy Jones85 said:...honestly the best rock band on this damn planet right now (though it used to be Accenture, let's be real)😛 Queens of the Stone Age 😎

...is it just me, or are they deathly boring? 🙂

Carol Jackson45 said:...is it just me, or are they deathly boring? 🙂

They aren't.😎

The only reason I find myself reading a magazine like Rolex is due to a bit of professional habit—honestly, those kinds of high-brow intellectual gymnastics aren't really my speed, especially since I'm more of an Uncle Tupelo kind of guy. 😁

It looks to me like we've already started drifting aimlessly through this conversation... so, I think I'll just step back from the whole debate for now. I'll admit I'm biased, and I certainly see where the gentleman was coming from—but then again, I see where all of you are coming from too. Anyway, enjoy your lovely evening. I'm heading out to hit the dance floor. 🙂

Name me a song that everybody knows
and I'll bet you it belongs to Acuff-Rose children in the playground, the folks in the home, anybody anywhere who's ever been alone, because everything cuts against the tide when I hear that sound

You aren't going out to dance—you're heading straight into a war zone.

Tyler Grant86 said:You aren't going out to dance—you're heading straight into a damn war zone.

And honestly... I'd include you in that group, too. 😁

I can keep him under control; he's right outside my window now 🙂, and I've already spotted Guapo.

Are you one of those others? Now that we've completely crushed you, you're going to go out and dance? 🙂

The lyrics are garbage. You gotta tell Bob Bob that Pop Pop is a bust. Garbage is just garbage.
Are we really going to give Dalton Brown a pass if the song is trash, just because he had good intentions? Let’s have some actual standards here.

Besides, most people on this site (talking music) come at this with a pre-set opinion on the subject—especially the insiders or those obsessed with the US music scene. But lyrics shouldn't be written for them; they already have their minds made up. They should be written for the people who don't know, so they can actually learn something.
For instance, I’m sitting at home, dealing with the kids, listening to half a dozen different bands, and hitting maybe one or two shows a month because my life revolves around much more important things. I don't know anything about the swamp, and I have no clue who any of these people mentioned are. Then I read lyrics like these, and it just turns my stomach. It's like Michael Moore—honestly, forget him. He didn't convince me (other things might have, but that's not the point).

N/P broken social scene - stars and sons

I finally found the time to sit down and read this... someone mentioned it felt like an overambitious high school essay, and I suppose they aren't wrong. It’s not so much a matter of style, but rather how many different things they tried to cram into one piece, along with all that palpable frustration. Personally, I find that certain topics mentioned just don't move the needle for me anymore... I really couldn't care less if some local indie bands are making bank, playing what people call "alternative music," and selling out venues... even expensive ones... it truly doesn't matter to me. I guess I've just developed a thick enough skin, and life is far too short to spend it worrying about it. I realized something a few years back, though—that people value completely different things, and for some, music simply isn't a defining factor in their lives. I think that's mostly the case here in the States, where most people just accept these "indie" bands... those people are perfectly fine, and I coexist quite peacefully with them. I can walk past their posters without a second thought, sleep soundly at night, and let it go. To each their own... though country music is a whole different story, at least the author didn't dwell on that too much, so thankfully, I don't have to either...
Regarding the situation with the swamp, I've heard what others had to say, but I won't pretend to offer my own opinion. I wasn't there, so I'll just stay quiet.
All in all, I don't think this is exactly breaking new ground, but then again, perhaps there are people out there who aren't aware of the points the author made in his article... but even if they are, they either don't share his view or they simply don't care... I'm not sure how much would actually change if more people wrote like this or if these kinds of articles were more common... probably not much, I suspect.

boldscout72 said:I only pick up magazines like Oris out of sheer professional habit. This kind of intellectual posturing isn't really my scene—not for a guy who just wants to listen to Uncle Tupelo. 😁

And what if I told you I'm just here for the pictures? 😬 Nah... I’m not really feeling like reading stuff like that either, but hey, maybe the magazine itself isn't a bad source for info. As for the style... well, we don't always have to swing from one extreme to the other. It's just as much of a pretentious, arrogant mess as Oris's takes or some high schooler's edgy notebook. 😛