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Extrapyramidal syndrome and brain physiology

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Participants Mark Barrett95Kenneth Hill37shadowfalcon33Casey Palmer5Steven Jones3
Mark Barrett95 Mark Barrett95 NewcomerOP
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#1 ·
Extrapyramidal disorders? I’d be super grateful if anyone here actually knows a thing or two about them—not looking for some textbook definition since I pretty much get the gist of that myself, but more along the lines of what the actual indicators are, why they show up in the first place, how you can manage them, or even just the long-term effects...

Also, just a general curiosity question: what exactly are those electrochemical processes happening in the brain?

I'm asking this totally sincerely, because honestly, if I were to bring this up with any psychiatrist I know, they'd probably try to commit me to a mental hospital.
Kenneth Hill37 Kenneth Hill37 Member
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joined Dec 2003
#2 ·
Look, I’m really not one for getting bogged down in technical definitions—it’s just not my thing—and I honestly don't have much to add to the conversation right now, but you’ve definitely piqued my interest. If you could, would you mind walking me through the details? Like, what exactly are we looking at here, and how does it actually play out in practice...?
shadowfalcon33 shadowfalcon33 Active Member
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#3 ·
Mark Barrett95 said:I’m asking you guys this with total sincerity, because if I were to bring this up with any psychiatrist I know, they’d probably have me committed to a mental ward immediately.

It’s going to be incredibly tough to find a psychiatrist who actually understands or acknowledges this.
Casey Palmer5 Casey Palmer5 Regular
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#4 ·
Mark Barrett95 said:Extrapyramidal disorders? I’d be super grateful if anyone could shed some light on this. I don't need a textbook definition—I pretty much get the gist—but I'm looking for indicators, why they happen, how to manage them, what the consequences are, and so on...

Also, just a general question: what exactly are those electrochemical processes happening in the brain?

I'm asking this totally sincerely, because knowing my own history, if I asked any psychiatrist this, they'd probably try to commit me to a mental hospital immediately.

Look, your questions are totally valid. But man, the answers could go on forever. My best advice? Hit up Google or head down to your local library. Look for a book called Poeck: neurology. You'll find plenty of info there regarding extrapyramidal syndromes.
If you want to dive deeper into how the brain actually functions (including all those electrochemical processes), check out Guyton: physiology. Those electrochemical processes are basically the foundation for signal transmission between cells in the nervous system—without them, there's no life, no muscle contraction, no information transfer at all. To make that signaling work, you need substances we call neurotransmitters (one of which is dopamine, which plays a huge role in extrapyramidal disorders). Basically, it's all about electricity... 🙂

Both books are pretty straightforward and easy enough to follow.
One of the most well-known examples of an extrapyramidal syndrome is Parkinson's disease (that's what you'll see if you search on Google).
Steven Jones3 Steven Jones3 Member
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#5 ·
...extrapyramidal syndrome is just a collection of symptoms, like any other syndrome. In this case, you've got parkinsonism—which includes rigidity, tremors, and hypokinesia (that sluggishness in movement)—then there's akathisia, that restless urge to keep moving, dystonic reactions like muscle spasms in your face, neck, or limbs, and tardive dyskinesia, which involves those repetitive movements of the tongue, mouth, or limbs... Most often, it pops up because of drugs that block central dopaminergic receptors in the brain. There are also peripheral receptors located in the organ walls at nerve endings, mostly in the digestive system, which is why some meds used for GI issues can trigger this... you've probably heard of Reglan... that’s a frequent culprit when it comes to extrapyramidal syndrome...

...besides Reglan, antipsychotics used to treat schizophrenia are also major causes of extrapyramidal syndrome...
...these are drugs that target specific receptors in the brain, like dopamine, serotonin, or histamine receptors... they get their names from whatever substance activates or blocks them... so, dopamine, histamine, serotonin... these are the neurotransmitters, the little messengers passing signals from one neuron to the next...

...outside of drug-induced cases, the most common example of this syndrome is Parkinson's Disease, which happens because a specific core area in the brain that produces dopamine gets destroyed...

...in short... that syndrome always shows up whenever there's a deficiency, a blockage, or any kind of failure in the dopamine neurotransmitter...
shadowfalcon33 shadowfalcon33 Active Member
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#6 ·
Casey Palmer5 recommended Poeck's neurology textbook. While it’s an excellent resource, I wouldn't suggest it to a beginner. (I haven't personally worked through Guyton's "Physiology," but I imagine the material would be more accessible)

You can find answers to all your questions right here. Go to www.mayoclinic.org Once you're there, select "Foundations of Neuroscience" from the left-hand menu (under "Education"), and then click on "Foundations of Neuroscience Textbook" online. Unfortunately, even that text is quite dense for someone just starting out.
Mark Barrett95 Mark Barrett95 NewcomerOP
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#7 ·
Thanks so much, everyone, for all those recommendations—it’s definitely some pretty heavy reading, but honestly, I don't mind at all. 🙂
Casey Palmer5 Casey Palmer5 Regular
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#8 ·
Mark Barrett95 said:Hey, thanks everyone for the suggestions! It’s definitely some heavy reading, but I don't mind the challenge. 🙂

Let me know if you hit any roadblocks, though I honestly think you'll be fine with that Poeck : neurology book.
Even I had to struggle through it a bit at times... 😁

But that Guyton : physiology one? That's actually written so clearly.

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