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Raymond Anderson4 said:I don't think they fixed anything. It’s just that Spa and Monza happen to suit them perfectly.
Personally, I've already given up on the championship title... it's easier that way. At least I won't be disappointed when we hit Singapore and Korea and start falling half a second behind per lap again.
stormybadger8 said:It’s funny how people make comments like that about the car that absolutely crushed the 2011 season...
Basically a powerhouse similar to the Mercedes 2013 season. 😬
By the way, Hamilton was the first driver after Vettel to snag four championships in a row, and the first Brit since Damon Hill...
And it's pretty hilarious that a car which took 8 out of 11 championships this season—and 8 of the last 9 races—isn't "good enough" to beat a Red Bull that you think you could drive better than...
As for the season, nothing's decided yet. Hamilton is very much still in the hunt.
This probably cost Kimi his shot at fighting for it, and if Alonso finally starts showing up in qualifying like he should, who knows? Maybe he's got a chance too...
Amanda Kelly said:a) Was Massa running without KERS? For the whole race?
b) What kind of conditions would it have actually taken for Alonso to be fighting for the win today?
I don't know, his Ferrari just didn't look particularly powerful to me today. Honestly, the only way he had a shot was if he'd started on pole.
Hamilton basically killed any suspense regarding the win. I can't tell if it was a mistake, a lapse in concentration, or some technical issue—maybe overheating tires or something—but I find it unacceptable. If you take the pole and clear the first corner in the lead, you shouldn't let someone overtake you immediately in the opening lap. Just a pure pass, no technical assistance involved. I think anything could have happened if Lewis had just held on for two or three laps.
That doesn't take away from Vettel's move, though. The guy just has a nose for blood, and his execution was flawless.
analogpilot16 said:Mercedes was incredible in qualifying during the first half of the season, but they struggled so much during the races that they weren't really a threat to anyone—their tires were an absolute disaster on the Merc. But they've turned it around now; they can be competitive throughout the entire race, and they just keep getting better. That's why Hamilton is climbing back up the order.
It's not Vettel's fault he has a great car—honestly, who would complain? Everyone wants to be in his shoes. I just think Red Bull is still one notch ahead of everyone else, and I'd love to see Seb's true driving skills shine through—if you know what I mean. Don't get me wrong, he's a top-tier driver, but I still want to see how he performs when he doesn't have such a dominant car. I mean, look at the last race—Button couldn't pass him for, I don't even know, how many laps, yet Hamilton managed to overtake him in just two corners (right around those first pit stops).
At this rate, Mercedes is the only team that looks like they could catch Red Bull, and if they do, Vettel might lose out. Personally, I don't think he'll take the title.
Amanda Kelly said:a) Was Massa running without KERS? For the whole race?
b) What kind of conditions would it have actually taken for Alonso to be fighting for the win today?
I don't know, his Ferrari just didn't look particularly powerful to me today. Honestly, the only way he had a shot was if he'd started on pole.
Hamilton basically killed any suspense regarding the win. I can't tell if it was a mistake, a lapse in concentration, or some technical issue—maybe overheating tires or something—but I find it unacceptable. If you take the pole and clear the first corner in the lead, you shouldn't let someone overtake you immediately in the opening lap. Just a pure pass, no technical assistance involved. I think anything could have happened if Lewis had just held on for two or three laps.
That doesn't take away from Vettel's move, though. The guy just has a nose for blood, and his execution was flawless.
shadowstag10 said:I see you're new here. If you try posting anything objective, the fanatics will eat you alive. In this place, people act like Ferrari is a whole tier above everyone else. 🤣
analogpilot16 said:No way—prestige would have caught up to him sooner or later. Honestly, Lewis was just a hair slower than him today; otherwise, he probably would have kept pace right up until Sebastian overtook him. To top it off, Lewis mentioned over the radio that he was pulling everything the car had, while Seb was just steadily gaining ground, inch by inch. Maybe if we'd seen a little more rain...
graniteharbor502 said:The second Red Bull finished behind both Mercedes cars, which leads one to wonder if the driver himself is also responsible for such a dominant performance?
graniteharbor502 said:The second Red Bull finished behind both Mercedes cars, which leads one to wonder if the driver himself is also responsible for such a dominant performance?
Amanda Kelly said:True, but Webber was stuck behind Mercedes without any real chance to pass. Meanwhile, the Red Bull (at least Vettel's) was dialed in for pure speed, and that's on a track where overtaking isn't an issue.
Was Webber's car set up differently, or is Vettel honestly just that much faster than Webber?
To me, it smells like the first one, though I can't say for sure. Red Bull can struggle when they're stuck in dirty air.
Amanda Kelly said:True, but Webber was stuck behind Mercedes without any real chance to pass. Meanwhile, the Red Bull (at least Vettel's) was dialed in for pure speed, and that's on a track where overtaking isn't an issue.
Was Webber's car set up differently, or is Vettel honestly just that much faster than Webber?
To me, it smells like the first one, though I can't say for sure. Red Bull can struggle when they're stuck in dirty air.
“The two practice starts before the race weren’t great and so we were a bit worried about the clutch going to the start, which put us on to the back foot. We tried our best, but lost a couple of rows off the line which is not good. We then had to try and clear people on the track, which was difficult, as we had set up the top gear to race in clean air, rather than to pass. The bad start put us out of position and it snowballs from there, as you use up the tyres trying to get back into position.”
...Once he was compromised in his positioning within the pack, he wasn’t able to get a clean run through La Source and Alonso managed to get a run on him down the hill and pass him into Eau Rouge. Thereafter it was a matter of trying to find a way through, past the Mercedes and Ferrari ahead, but unfortunately whenever we got close enough we seemed to lose aero performance and so Mark couldn’t get close enough to make a move. We didn’t come here expecting to win today, so it’s great to get a victory to start the second half of the season.”
Jason Campbell70 said:There's no need to play nice with the Vettel camp.
Jason Campbell70 said:Webber's post-race comments:“The two practice starts before the race weren’t great and so we were a bit worried about the clutch going to the start, which put us on to the back foot. We tried our best, but lost a couple of rows off the line which is not good. We then had to try and clear people on the track, which was difficult, as we had set up the top gear to race in clean air, rather than to pass. The bad start put us out of position and it snowballs from there, as you use up the tyres trying to get back into position.”
Horner's post-race comments:...Once he was compromised in his positioning within the pack, he wasn’t able to get a clean run through La Source and Alonso managed to get a run on him down the hill and pass him into Eau Rouge. Thereafter it was a matter of trying to find a way through, past the Mercedes and Ferrari ahead, but unfortunately whenever we got close enough we seemed to lose aero performance and so Mark couldn’t get close enough to make a move. We didn’t come here expecting to win today, so it’s great to get a victory to start the second half of the season.”
Amanda Kelly said:You mean TBF!? Because I can't think of anyone else in that circle.
What was I getting at?
I’m actually pretty happy with how Ferrari is looking. The car was fast in every condition—really fast. As for qualifying, I think that was just a lucky break.
To pull off a Red Bull Vettel combination today, you basically needed Alonso starting on pole to have any chance.
The Ferrari was powerful (almost like it was back in Barcelona) and Alonso was excellent, but unfortunately, it just wasn't enough.
The guy won the race with one lightning-fast move (one I didn't even see coming). I'm sure there was some kind of mistake by Lewis, but regardless, Sebastian Vettel's performance was flawless. I was watching the race on German TV and couldn't make heads or tails of the commentary. All I saw was that there wasn't even a hint of anyone closing in on the leader. Maybe the kid could have even been faster.
The only way things significantly change is if the cows die.
David Anderson72 said:Lewis himself admitted he let Vettel past at the start just so he could overtake him again at Kemmel.
Amanda Kelly said:You mean TBF!? Because I can't think of anyone else in that circle.
What was I getting at?
I’m actually pretty happy with how Ferrari is looking. The car was fast in every condition—really fast. As for qualifying, I think that was just a lucky break.
To pull off a Red Bull Vettel combination today, you basically needed Alonso starting on pole to have any chance.
The Ferrari was powerful (almost like it was back in Barcelona) and Alonso was excellent, but unfortunately, it just wasn't enough.
The guy won the race with one lightning-fast move (one I didn't even see coming). I'm sure there was some kind of mistake by Lewis, but regardless, Sebastian Vettel's performance was flawless. I was watching the race on German TV and couldn't make heads or tails of the commentary. All I saw was that there wasn't even a hint of anyone closing in on the leader. Maybe the kid could have even been faster.
The only way things significantly change is if the cows die.
Amanda Kelly said:You mean TBF!? Because I can't think of anyone else in that circle.
What was I getting at?
I’m actually pretty happy with how Ferrari is looking. The car was fast in every condition—really fast. As for qualifying, I think that was just a lucky break.
To pull off a Red Bull Vettel combination today, you basically needed Alonso starting on pole to have any chance.
The Ferrari was powerful (almost like it was back in Barcelona) and Alonso was excellent, but unfortunately, it just wasn't enough.
The guy won the race with one lightning-fast move (one I didn't even see coming). I'm sure there was some kind of mistake by Lewis, but regardless, Sebastian Vettel's performance was flawless. I was watching the race on German TV and couldn't make heads or tails of the commentary. All I saw was that there wasn't even a hint of anyone closing in on the leader. Maybe the kid could have even been faster.
The only way things significantly change is if the cows die.
David Anderson72 said:Lewis himself admitted he let Vettel past at the start just so he could overtake him again at Kemmel.
Amanda Kelly said:Well, I guess I was right then.
If Lewis Hamilton had just held on for a few more laps, Alonso would have walked away with the win.
