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Charles Murphy6 Charles Murphy6 Active MemberOP
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#1 ·
My apologies if someone has already covered this topic, but I’ve scoured everything and come up empty.
My father is currently hospitalized—he's suffering from severe heart disease, and there is absolutely no chance of him returning home anytime soon.
He is currently in the Intensive Care Unit.
Is there actually a limit to how long they will keep a patient in the ICU before they force a transfer?
I had a total panic attack today because someone dropped a bug in my ear, and it just triggered this irrational fear that after two weeks, the hospital will suddenly tell us he has to be moved elsewhere.
Dad is conscious, but he is completely dependent on the machines, the IV drips, and the continuous medication.
His condition is stable in the sense that it isn't fluctuating, but it is critical; while things could technically shift, we all know any change won't be for the better.
I don't live in the same city as my parents, and honestly, Dad is terrified of hospitals and death—he calls them his "final stop in some small Midwestern town."
I know the facility has been renovated and things are different now, but in his mind, being placed there is like being abandoned by his own family...
So, I’m asking anyone who might have insight: is there a maximum timeframe for staying in the hospital? Someone mentioned a thirty-day limit, but that wasn't from a medical professional, just hearsay.
I realize it can't be years, and it certainly won't be six months, but according to the prognosis, Dad doesn't even have that much time left.😢
Scott Bennett4 Scott Bennett4 Member
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#2 ·
I can't give you a definitive answer on that, but honestly, your best bet is to pick up the phone and call the Social Security Administration directly. They’re the ones who hold the cards here, and they should have the specific details you're looking for.
I apologize if I can't be of more practical assistance in this matter.
P.S. It also occurred to me that there might be a local patient advocacy group worth reaching out to; they might offer some guidance.
vividsailor7 vividsailor7 Active Member
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#3 ·
Charles Murphy6 said:My apologies if someone has already covered this topic, but I’ve scoured everything and come up empty.
My father is currently hospitalized—he's suffering from severe heart disease, and there is absolutely no chance of him returning home anytime soon.
He is currently in the Intensive Care Unit.
Is there actually a limit to how long they will keep a patient in the ICU before they force a transfer?
I had a total panic attack today because someone dropped a bug in my ear, and it just triggered this irrational fear that after two weeks, the hospital will suddenly tell us he has to be moved elsewhere.
Dad is conscious, but he is completely dependent on the machines, the IV drips, and the continuous medication.
His condition is stable in the sense that it isn't fluctuating, but it is critical; while things could technically shift, we all know any change won't be for the better.
I don't live in the same city as my parents, and honestly, Dad is terrified of hospitals and death—he calls them his "final stop in some small Midwestern town."
I know the facility has been renovated and things are different now, but in his mind, being placed there is like being abandoned by his own family...
So, I’m asking anyone who might have insight: is there a maximum timeframe for staying in the hospital? Someone mentioned a thirty-day limit, but that wasn't from a medical professional, just hearsay.
I realize it can't be years, and it certainly won't be six months, but according to the prognosis, Dad doesn't even have that much time left.😢

First and foremost, we need to know who told you that. And I don't mean names—I mean, was it a nurse, a neighbor, or just some random person? We need to know if they actually have any knowledge of a specific case.
Charles Murphy6 Charles Murphy6 Active MemberOP
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#4 ·
Of course, I’ve already heard stories about this from folks in my small Midwestern town who have dealt with similar messes.
I am facing this kind of nightmare for the very first time in my life.
I spoke with the doctors today, and they were incredibly kind, for which I am truly grateful.
Basically, they explained that typically, patients stay in the ICU for about 24 hours before being moved to a regular ward. However, because my father is such a complicated case, he’s going to be staying put indefinitely.
Tomorrow, they’re going to attempt to get him up so he can walk to the restroom—with medical assistance, obviously—to see how his heart handles the strain; if he stabilizes, they might move him from intensive care to a general floor, and then, depending on how he holds up, eventually head home.
But looking at him right now, I just don't see that happening tomorrow. The moment they even tilt his bed or he shifts an inch, his pulse rockets past 150 and he starts struggling to breathe, though on the flip side, he has such an iron will that I wouldn't be surprised if he actually makes it to the bathroom, even if I highly doubt his diagnosis will allow him to move to a standard ward and then go home.
There is always that terrifying possibility that someone will suggest moving him, and I’m honestly scared—what happens then?
It’s only now hitting me just how massive of an unsolved crisis this is in our great country...
vividsailor7 please correct me if I'm wrong, but do you think there's a genuine possibility they'll keep my dad in the hospital for as long as three months, given the specific diagnoses I detailed in the heart disease thread—this topic:
Angela Wright Angela Wright Regular
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#5 ·
Charles Murphy6, there’s actually an option to transfer someone to a rehabilitation facility or a long-term care center, like one of those smaller clinics you might find in a small town in the Midwest or a small town in the Midwest. This usually happens when the hospital staff submits a formal proposal, arguing that the patient’s specific needs can be fully met at a specialized facility and they no longer require the high-level resources of a major metropolitan hospital.
Charles Murphy6 Charles Murphy6 Active MemberOP
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#6 ·
That’s exactly what keeps me up at night😢
When I asked my doctor the other day if he was even a candidate for being transferred to a small Midwestern town, she just gave me this stunned, blank stare and asked, "Wait, you *want* him moved to a small Midwestern town?" I had to clarify that I don't want him there—quite the opposite—I'm terrified he'll end up stuck in one of those places.
For the moment, they’re keeping him in the ICU, and there hasn't been any talk about moving him anywhere else.
To be perfectly honest, I know absolutely nothing about the medical facilities in that small town in the Midwest or the other small town in the Midwest, other than the fact that they have a reputation for being subpar, and I have no clue if they even possess the specialized equipment or life support Dad actually needs right now.
I am truly, deeply grateful to the entire ICU team; they are genuinely trying to make this easier on both him and our family. I managed to catch a nurse today, though, and she made it very clear that there is absolutely no way Dad is being discharged from intensive care anytime soon.
The thing is, they don't really have a dedicated primary physician assigned to him there because, as I've mentioned before, patients are monitored 24/7 and all the major decisions are handled during staff meetings. I can only pray that there won't be any more suggestions to move him elsewhere for the foreseeable future.
They attempted to sit him up earlier, but it was a total failure... he needed help just to get toward the restroom, but we couldn't even manage that.
Maybe this is off-topic, but does anyone know if the conditions in those small towns in the Midwest have changed at all, or is everything still just as bad as it used to be?
Angela Wright Angela Wright Regular
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#7 ·
Charles Murphy6 said:That’s exactly what keeps me up at night😢
When I asked my doctor the other day if he was even a candidate for being transferred to a small Midwestern town, she just gave me this stunned, blank stare and asked, "Wait, you *want* him moved to a small Midwestern town?" I had to clarify that I don't want him there—quite the opposite—I'm terrified he'll end up stuck in one of those places.
For the moment, they’re keeping him in the ICU, and there hasn't been any talk about moving him anywhere else.
To be perfectly honest, I know absolutely nothing about the medical facilities in that small town in the Midwest or the other small town in the Midwest, other than the fact that they have a reputation for being subpar, and I have no clue if they even possess the specialized equipment or life support Dad actually needs right now.
I am truly, deeply grateful to the entire ICU team; they are genuinely trying to make this easier on both him and our family. I managed to catch a nurse today, though, and she made it very clear that there is absolutely no way Dad is being discharged from intensive care anytime soon.
The thing is, they don't really have a dedicated primary physician assigned to him there because, as I've mentioned before, patients are monitored 24/7 and all the major decisions are handled during staff meetings. I can only pray that there won't be any more suggestions to move him elsewhere for the foreseeable future.
They attempted to sit him up earlier, but it was a total failure... he needed help just to get toward the restroom, but we couldn't even manage that.
Maybe this is off-topic, but does anyone know if the conditions in those small towns in the Midwest have changed at all, or is everything still just as bad as it used to be?

From what I understand, they did some renovations. Unfortunately, though, they frequently see patients who really belong in hospice care, and we are still facing a chronic shortage of those facilities.
If your dad requires intensive care, then obviously he has to stay where he is. Regarding the doctors, I've been working closely with the maternity pathology unit, and the policy there is that patients are assigned by room (each doctor has their own ward), but generally speaking, all major decisions are made by a medical board. However, nothing moves forward without the department head's blessing, and he stays very active with patient rounds. Maybe try approaching it that way to get more info. The nurses should definitely know which doctor is primary and responsible for your father's care.
Charles Murphy6 Charles Murphy6 Active MemberOP
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#8 ·
Angela Wright said:From what I understand, they did some renovations. Unfortunately, though, they frequently see patients who really belong in hospice care, and we are still facing a chronic shortage of those facilities.
If your dad requires intensive care, then obviously he has to stay where he is. Regarding the doctors, I've been working closely with the maternity pathology unit, and the policy there is that patients are assigned by room (each doctor has their own ward), but generally speaking, all major decisions are made by a medical board. However, nothing moves forward without the department head's blessing, and he stays very active with patient rounds. Maybe try approaching it that way to get more info. The nurses should definitely know which doctor is primary and responsible for your father's care.

I asked if there was one specific doctor overseeing my dad, but the answer I got was that there isn't a single person, just a collective medical board making joint decisions. You're absolutely right, though—someone has to be the head of that department, so I'll go ask. As it stands, it's just this one massive room with about eight beds, where two nurses sit at a station monitoring everyone's vitals on a screen 24/7.
Thanks for the advice—I'll find out tomorrow who the big boss actually is.
Kyle Lee7 Kyle Lee7 Active Member
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#9 ·
My cousin just got discharged from the Mayo Clinic after dealing with multiple leg fractures. She’s about 65, maybe a little older. She’s finally on the mend and headed home now.
I'm not entirely sure if there were any other diagnoses involved in her case.

Yeah, it's pretty clear they don't just take everyone there; it seems like people really only go to those facilities when they've reached the end of the line.
Karen Sanchez19 Karen Sanchez19 Regular
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#10 ·
An uncle of mine lives entirely alone—no one to look after him, no support system at all—and after four days, they discharged him from the Mayo Clinic in Springfield.
He underwent surgery for a fractured tibia.

It makes me wonder: why Springfield? Don't we have specialized rehabilitation centers—something akin to a dedicated recovery resort—specifically designed for bone fractures?

The conditions in Springfield are nothing short of inhumane; the facility doesn't even have a functional restroom.🙄
rustymason82 rustymason82 Active Member
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#11 ·
Karen Sanchez19 said:An uncle of mine lives entirely alone—no one to look after him, no support system at all—and after four days, they discharged him from the Mayo Clinic in Springfield.
He underwent surgery for a fractured tibia.

It makes me wonder: why Springfield? Don't we have specialized rehabilitation centers—something akin to a dedicated recovery resort—specifically designed for bone fractures?

The conditions in Springfield are nothing short of inhumane; the facility doesn't even have a functional restroom.🙄

Are you absolutely certain there isn't a restroom? I personally know a few people who recovered there even when they were on their deathbeds.
Karen Sanchez19 Karen Sanchez19 Regular
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#12 ·
rustymason82 said:Are you absolutely certain there isn't a restroom? I personally know a few people who recovered there even when they were on their deathbeds.

If there were a restroom nearby, he could probably limp his way there on crutches, provided he had the strength.

They have portable commodes, so he’s stuck handling business right there in the room.🙄

It strikes me as odd. Why wouldn't someone dealing with a fracture head to a specialized recovery center or a spa-style hospital? Does the Suburban Springfield facility even have a rehab wing? You know, for the physical therapy clinic sessions and the specific exercises required to fix a break like that.
Angela Wright Angela Wright Regular
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#13 ·
Karen Sanchez19 said:If there were a restroom nearby, he could probably limp his way there on crutches, provided he had the strength.

They have portable commodes, so he’s stuck handling business right there in the room.🙄

It strikes me as odd. Why wouldn't someone dealing with a fracture head to a specialized recovery center or a spa-style hospital? Does the Suburban Springfield facility even have a rehab wing? You know, for the physical therapy clinic sessions and the specific exercises required to fix a break like that.

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Why wasn't this brought up before the move was finalized? It usually works like this: they probably asked if anyone could take care of him at home, he said no, and that's that. Simple as that.

Look, Springfield is a facility for long-term recovery, not some hospice where people go to die. Because we lack dedicated palliative care centers, things just end up falling into this pattern by default. In reality, the uncle is actually in the right spot. Given that he clearly can't manage on his own at home right now, being at Springfield is more practical than heading to a resort, and he can get all the necessary rehab right there.

As for any other issues regarding the bathroom or whatever else, he needs to speak up and be assertive about what he needs.
Grace Diaz86 Grace Diaz86 Newcomer
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#14 ·
Karen Sanchez19 said:An uncle of mine lives entirely alone—no one to look after him, no support system at all—and after four days, they discharged him from the Mayo Clinic in Springfield.
He underwent surgery for a fractured tibia.

It makes me wonder: why Springfield? Don't we have specialized rehabilitation centers—something akin to a dedicated recovery resort—specifically designed for bone fractures?

The conditions in Springfield are nothing short of inhumane; the facility doesn't even have a functional restroom.🙄

The luxury retreats were meant for healing, while Suburban Springfield is just a dump—unfortunately.
feralridge3 feralridge3 Active Member
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#15 ·
Grace Diaz86 said:The luxury retreats were meant for healing, while Suburban Springfield is just a dump—unfortunately.

And the waitlist is endless; they don't even take anyone in for three weeks.
It is just pure misery. 😢
I have been looking into private assisted living facilities that offer palliative care for my mother. $1667 Every month, it costs about 😲

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