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Jamie Rivera78 Jamie Rivera78 Member
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#21 ·
melloworca6 said:Look, it’s just not the same thing. We're talking about genetics in one scenario—like breast cancer—which is basically a roll of the dice you can't control. In the other, we're talking about lifestyle choices, which you actually have a say in. Comparing the two is like comparing breast cancer to liver cirrhosis caused by heavy drinking. It's apples and oranges. You can't draw that comparison.

The genes you're born with are what they are; you can't go in and rewrite them. Sure, maybe a decent diet or exercise can nudge some risks down to a minimum, but at the end of the day, DNA is DNA. Lifestyle habits? Those are entirely within your control.

That’s exactly my point. The cause is different, sure, but the end goal is identical: don't get cancer in your organs.
Sure, you can't mess with your genetic code, but living healthy is the best defense for pretty much everything.
I'll say it again: there isn't a shred of evidence that this "brave move" by Angelin actually extended her life one bit.
Angela Wright Angela Wright Regular
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#22 ·
Jamie Rivera78 said:That’s exactly my point. The cause is different, sure, but the end goal is identical: don't get cancer in your organs.
Sure, you can't mess with your genetic code, but living healthy is the best defense for pretty much everything.
I'll say it again: there isn't a shred of evidence that this "brave move" by Angelin actually extended her life one bit.

Look, I think it's a bit premature to jump to conclusions about Angelin's brave choice when we don't have the full picture of her medical history. My guess? She might have already been dealing with things like fibroadenomas that could turn malignant. Regardless, given the genotype for breast and ovarian cancer, she did exactly what any smart, informed woman would do—especially one who has already lost someone to this disease. You need some serious guts to pull that off. It's similar to what Christina Appelgate (Kelly Bundy) did; she dealt with breast cancer and opted to have the healthy tissue removed just to mitigate the chance of a recurrence, especially after watching her own mother suffer through it. Women can't afford to play dumb, and like Angie so aptly put it—if we have a way to lower the risk, we take it. So, she didn't necessarily "extend" her life, she mitigated the risk, which, if nothing else hits her, can certainly impact both longevity and quality of life. Talking about guarantees in life is pointless because they don't exist. We all know that when a glass jar falls out a window, it usually shatters—unless, by some stroke of luck, it lands on a soft cushion that just happened to be sitting right there... too many "ifs" if you actually value your life. 😉
Jamie Rivera78 Jamie Rivera78 Member
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#23 ·
Angela Wright said:Look, I think it's a bit premature to jump to conclusions about Angelin's brave choice when we don't have the full picture of her medical history. My guess? She might have already been dealing with things like fibroadenomas that could turn malignant. Regardless, given the genotype for breast and ovarian cancer, she did exactly what any smart, informed woman would do—especially one who has already lost someone to this disease. You need some serious guts to pull that off. It's similar to what Christina Appelgate (Kelly Bundy) did; she dealt with breast cancer and opted to have the healthy tissue removed just to mitigate the chance of a recurrence, especially after watching her own mother suffer through it. Women can't afford to play dumb, and like Angie so aptly put it—if we have a way to lower the risk, we take it. So, she didn't necessarily "extend" her life, she mitigated the risk, which, if nothing else hits her, can certainly impact both longevity and quality of life. Talking about guarantees in life is pointless because they don't exist. We all know that when a glass jar falls out a window, it usually shatters—unless, by some stroke of luck, it lands on a soft cushion that just happened to be sitting right there... too many "ifs" if you actually value your life. 😉

http://www.naturalnews.com/040334_An...revention.html
This explains everything perfectly. Seriously, though, should we really be cutting out organs just because they *might* get cancer someday? I feel like that list of organs would get way too long. And all this gambling with percentages is totally pointless. With Angelin, the numbers being thrown around range from 15% to over 90%.
melloworca6 melloworca6 Regular
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#24 ·
That’s just not how you do this. If you’re going to drop an English link, at least explain it and point out which part matters. Otherwise, it’s just a post waiting to be deleted.

And what exactly would your advice be to a woman whose mother, aunts, and entire family were wiped out by breast cancer? To a woman who has been handed proof that her own chances of getting it are terrifyingly high? Look, we all know women have their uteruses removed when fibroids get out of hand and start growing uncontrollably after having kids. So, tell me: what’s the difference between removing a healthy breast to stay safe and removing a uterus to stop a fibroid from turning into something malignant?

Angelin Jolia didn't exactly reinvent the wheel here; this is stuff that’s been standard practice for years. Women undergo mastectomies on healthy tissue to prevent a recurrence, and they have hysterectomies so fibroids don't turn into cancer...
Jacob Stewart2 Jacob Stewart2 Newcomer
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#25 ·
Ronald Morales51 said:It isn't actually that complicated; you can pinpoint the exact risk through more detailed genetic testing. Depending on the specific type of BRCA1 mutation, the risk could be as high as "80%." Of course, that’s a bit of a simplification since many variables come into play—firstly age, and then the individual's unique genetic landscape, because there are other loci involved that contribute to the overall risk level.
We are discussing an incredibly well-defined and thoroughly researched gene here. Since we're dealing with hereditary cancer, it's almost a textbook example of "one gene, one effect"—though I'm using those terms loosely. Other general risks, where you typically see lower percentages, depend heavily on how they are expressed or measured; they usually lack such a strong genetic component and direct correlation.

Since you're "quoting" someone, why not provide a reference? That way, you might actually get a chance to read what was precisely stated. In my view, there is a massive distinction between discussing an individual who is a carrier of a germline BRCA1 or BRCA2 mutation and someone who is a non-carrier of those family-specific mutations. This specific study link focuses on that second group and actually critiques previous research that suggested increased breast cancer risk in non-carriers.
Even so, Allison and her work don't negate the reality of the risk faced by individuals with these mutations, as that has been established in countless studies. As far as I know, her research—and the work of the group she belongs to—focuses on the population diversity within the US regarding breast cancer. They have even gone so far as to challenge the misconception that mastectomies as an early-stage preventative treatment are becoming a widespread "trend"; her stance is actually the opposite.

So, using this quasi-quote doesn't do anything to support the inaccuracies you initially presented.

I have to admit, that high percentage still hasn't quite clicked for me.

I assume that includes various risk factors, like age and whatnot... but even then, it would mean if we sent ten Angelin to different corners of the galaxy, nine of them would end up with breast cancer.
That sounds absolutely wild to me.

Does this mean we already have genetic testing advanced enough to tell a newborn baby what their chances are of developing terminal illnesses?
Especially since their assessment is mostly based on whether she is a carrier of that gene.

That bolded correlation is really tripping me up.
If you feel like answering.
Edward Nguyen2 Edward Nguyen2 Newcomer
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#26 ·
Jacob Stewart2 said:Where on earth did her doctors get that 87% figure from?

It’s like they think she’s some billionaire or something.

Sure, there's a genetic predisposition involved. But from what I understand, those odds usually hover somewhere around 10 to 15%.
I just can't wrap my head around this 87% number.

That sounds more like she already has breast cancer.


Doctors clearly think they're God's gift to medicine. 🤣
Ronald Morales51 Ronald Morales51 Member
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#27 ·
Jamie Rivera78 said:http://www.naturalnews.com/040334_An...revention.html
This explains everything perfectly. Seriously, though, should we really be cutting out organs just because they *might* get cancer someday? I feel like that list of organs would get way too long. And all this gambling with percentages is totally pointless. With Angelin, the numbers being thrown around range from 15% to over 90%.

Here is yet another example of poor-quality writing.

You only need to look at this sentence:
Countless millions of women carry the BRCA1 gene and never express breast cancer because they lead healthy, anti-cancer lifestyles based on smart nutrition, exercise, sensible sunlight exposure and avoidance of cancer-causing chemicals.

I haven’t seen a more nonsensical argument. I mentioned earlier that we all carry the BRCA1 gene; it’s actually a perfectly normal gene that produces a functional protein in our bodies. Anyone drawing such sweeping conclusions with this level of "knowledge" clearly doesn't understand what they are talking about.
It is an established and widely accepted fact—one you'll find in almost any medical textbook—that in cases of hereditary breast cancer, lifestyle has a minimal impact. We aren't saying lifestyle doesn't matter at all, but we have to view it in its proper context.
I believe even Wikipedia covers this.
To quote:
Given the high risks and low benefit of lifestyle choices in BRCA mutation carriers, no lifestyle choices provide sufficient protection.

What is actually vital for women to know is that hereditary breast cancer accounts for only about 5% of new diagnoses, whereas other known risk factors contribute up to 30%.

Jacob Stewart2 said:I have to admit, that high percentage still hasn't quite clicked for me.

I assume that includes various risk factors, like age and whatnot... but even then, it would mean if we sent ten Angelin to different corners of the galaxy, nine of them would end up with breast cancer.
That sounds absolutely wild to me.

Does this mean we already have genetic testing advanced enough to tell a newborn baby what their chances are of developing terminal illnesses?
Especially since their assessment is mostly based on whether she is a carrier of that gene.

That bolded correlation is really tripping me up.
If you feel like answering.

That percentage likely comes from a much more detailed genetic analysis, as I mentioned before. However, since I don't know the specific case being discussed, it’s hard to give an exact answer. Just think of a very simple analogy: one gene, one effect. For instance, if you have the genes for brown eyes, in 100% of cases, you will have brown eyes. In this situation, we are dealing with something somewhat analogous, even if my example is incredibly basic.
Furthermore, that 87% figure refers to the probability of expressing that trait by a certain age, which wasn't specified here. There are also other genes that create an individual's unique genetic landscape, as well as family history, which can help calculate risk more accurately.
If you dig into the professional medical literature, you can find this specific table, which outlines exactly how much the breast cancer risk is adjusted if you're a carrier of a mutation in the BRCA genes. As I mentioned before, the type of mutation essentially defines the variant; if someone carries a non-functional BRCA gene, the picture is quite stark—it’s almost like my simplified example where one gene equals one specific trait. However, we are specifically talking about hereditary breast cancer here, which is the primary driver behind such high risk levels, just as the table illustrates.

I'm not entirely sure what part is tripping you up, but you mentioned being used to seeing smaller risks? Well, first off, risks are often expressed as a hazard ratio or a relative risk, and those numbers aren't directly comparable. What I was getting at is that a certain number of pathologies have a less defined genetic component, meaning the risk of developing them will be low based solely on genetic analysis. But risks aren't exclusively genetic; non-genetic factors can produce effects that are less intense but equally significant. Even though the correlation between a BRCA mutation and cancer is incredibly strong, this actually only accounts for about 5% of all breast cancer cases because that genetic trait is relatively rare. So, while 5% is a massive number, it's only one piece of the entire biological puzzle of this disease.

Furthermore, when we discuss risks calculated through genetic analysis, you often bring up weaker genetic correlations. In those cases, the risk percentage is based on analyzing loci—essentially markers tied to potential genes and known associations between those genes and diseases—which is a fairly descriptive approach. Here, however, we are discussing a gene that is fully defined and thoroughly analyzed. Recent genome analysis projects have clearly demonstrated that many vital elements exist outside of our genes, and frankly, there is still so much we don't know.
I truly believe that in the near future, this will become standard practice—that everything will be calculated for you at birth, because it's all written in the genes, including how sensitive you are to environmental factors and other risk variables. We already have companies offering this online today; you buy a kit, send in your DNA, and receive a highly specific breakdown of your risks for the most common pathologies. Over in the UK, there has already been an active project for several years to create a genomic data bank that would certainly complete this picture. Essentially, the future is already arriving.
Jacob Stewart2 Jacob Stewart2 Newcomer
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#28 ·
🙏 Thanks for such a detailed response.

Basically, isn't it just standard procedure for them to tell her, with pretty high certainty, that if she doesn't go through with the surgery, she's looking at breast cancer?

Those DNA testing companies are actually pretty interesting; I definitely need to do a bit of digging on them. If you have a link, shoot it over.
Ronald Morales51 Ronald Morales51 Member
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#29 ·
No problem at all—I would be more than happy to dive into the world of genetics and biology with you.

It’s not just a random guess, and I’ll say it again: I would need to know the exact methodology used to arrive at that specific number to be truly certain. However, I believe the data in that Science journal article I linked you is more than enough to make our point. It clearly illustrates how the risk escalates as people age, which is a critical factor when we're discussing a family with a significant history of cancer.
Because, if you look at what the article actually points out, it says this:
If we assume that certain risk modifiers—be they genetic markers or environmental factors—tend to cluster within families, then the math changes significantly. For someone carrying a BRCA1 or BRCA2 mutation who doesn't have a family history of breast cancer, their actual risk profile would likely be much lower than those carriers who see a pattern of the disease in their relatives. Essentially, if those extra risk factors run in the family, a carrier without that familial background might not be facing the same level of danger.

Ovo It’s an article.

I truly believe that DNA analysis is the future—and honestly, it’s a future that has already arrived. It's only a matter of time before this becomes standard practice in everyday healthcare. To give you a better idea of where things are headed, I’m dropping a link to the most prominent company in the field right now. They have more citations in scientific journals than anyone else out there. Just to be clear, I don't have any affiliation with them; I'm not trying to sell you anything here, I just want to share the most reliable data available.
The implications of using services like 23andMe are much more complex than most people realize when they first sign up. It’s easy to get caught up in the excitement of seeing where your ancestors came from, but there is a much deeper layer to consider regarding data privacy and long-term medical implications. Think of it like handing over the keys to your digital house before you even know who is living in the neighborhood. You might think you're just looking for a fun way to connect with your roots, but you're actually providing a massive amount of sensitive biological data to a private corporation. Once that information is out there, you lose a significant amount of control over how it's used, stored, or potentially shared in the future. Then there’s the health aspect. While getting insights into certain genetic predispositions can be eye-opening, it can also be incredibly overwhelming. Without the guidance of a professional genetic counselor, you might find yourself staring at a list of potential risks that feel impossible to process. It's one thing to read about a predisposition online; it's an entirely different experience to sit with that knowledge alone. It isn't all bad—there is genuine scientific value in large-scale genomic databases—but I always tell people to weigh the curiosity against the actual risk. Before you spit in that tube, ask yourself if the "fun facts" are worth the permanent loss of genetic privacy.

This isn't even strictly off-topic. The company actually commented on A. J.'s case, pointing out that while their test focuses specifically on three mutations within two BRCA genes, they are simultaneously looking at eight other genetic regions associated with breast cancer. In essence, we aren't talking about a definitive diagnostic tool here; rather, it's a risk estimation model that is currently somewhat limited in scope. For now, any approach like this has to be restricted to specific markers and regions. The true goal of modern science is to move toward complete, comprehensive analysis using newer technologies, but that kind of progress takes time.
Raymond Price4 Raymond Price4 MemberOP
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#30 ·
Whatever the case, I wouldn't go cutting out a healthy organ if it were my choice. I’d just hit up my doctor more often and hope for the best. Statistics aside, I don't think you can look at health through such a mechanical lens. And yeah, there are two cases of breast cancer in my family—both passed away. One had surgery and lived for about another 20 years, while the other ended up passing from a ruptured stomach ulcer.
Angela Wright Angela Wright Regular
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#31 ·
Jacob Stewart2 said:🙏 Thanks for such a detailed response.

Basically, isn't it just standard procedure for them to tell her, with pretty high certainty, that if she doesn't go through with the surgery, she's looking at breast cancer?

Those DNA testing companies are actually pretty interesting; I definitely need to do a bit of digging on them. If you have a link, shoot it over.

Don't you find it a bit strange to assume a woman might have skipped over her detailed medical history before a procedure? What exactly was she supposed to report—every single cyst or fibroadenoma she’s ever had? How would she even begin to calculate her own statistical probability? These risk factors aren't just pulled out of thin air because one person had a bad experience; they are derived from decades of rigorous longitudinal studies that establish these benchmarks and data points. If you actually bother to search PubMed, you'll find an absolute goldmine of information on just about anything.

When things go sideways within your own family, that whole "I wouldn't do that if I were in their shoes" attitude just doesn't fly. It’s easy to play judge from the sidelines, but once you're actually in the thick of it, those judgments lose their teeth. You watch the agony unfold, feeling that crushing sense of despair because you’re completely powerless to do anything about it. And then, in the end, you find yourself sincerely wishing for the suffering to stop—even for the person you love most in this world, the one you can't imagine living without.And that absolutely changes everything when you look at it from a different perspective.
God forbid I ever end up like that, but honestly, screw that nonsense. That thing is a pure slab of meat, and thank God Glumičić and his crew can work absolute miracles. 😉 This is deeply personal territory, and it’s the kind of decision that requires serious, sober reflection before anyone makes a move. If you're working with a top-tier physician you can actually trust, there’s really no room for impulsive choices or those shady lobbyist schemes you see where companies just push silicone breast implants on people.
Jacob Stewart2 Jacob Stewart2 Newcomer
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#32 ·
Angela Wright said:Don't you find it a bit strange to assume a woman might have skipped over her detailed medical history before a procedure? What exactly was she supposed to report—every single cyst or fibroadenoma she’s ever had? How would she even begin to calculate her own statistical probability? These risk factors aren't just pulled out of thin air because one person had a bad experience; they are derived from decades of rigorous longitudinal studies that establish these benchmarks and data points. If you actually bother to search PubMed, you'll find an absolute goldmine of information on just about anything.

When things go sideways within your own family, that whole "I wouldn't do that if I were in their shoes" attitude just doesn't fly. It’s easy to play judge from the sidelines, but once you're actually in the thick of it, those judgments lose their teeth. You watch the agony unfold, feeling that crushing sense of despair because you’re completely powerless to do anything about it. And then, in the end, you find yourself sincerely wishing for the suffering to stop—even for the person you love most in this world, the one you can't imagine living without.And that absolutely changes everything when you look at it from a different perspective.
God forbid I ever end up like that, but honestly, screw that nonsense. That thing is a pure slab of meat, and thank God Glumičić and his crew can work absolute miracles. 😉 This is deeply personal territory, and it’s the kind of decision that requires serious, sober reflection before anyone makes a move. If you're working with a top-tier physician you can actually trust, there’s really no room for impulsive choices or those shady lobbyist schemes you see where companies just push silicone breast implants on people.

Since you asked, I actually think it was totally unnecessary for her to go public with it in the first place.
One could argue whether she did it out of some "higher" calling, like trying to raise awareness among women—suggesting that if Angelin Jolie did it, then it must be some sort of standard.
Or maybe she did it because she's a total ego maniac who craves the spotlight, all while handing over her private life and simultaneously judging the media for digging into her privacy.

I don't know, and frankly, I don't care.

However, since she went ahead and shared that famous percentage with the public, now I am curious about the basis her doctors used to reach that conclusion.
If she was going to make it public knowledge, she could have provided the full picture. A complete report.

Personally, I would have survived just fine if I hadn't heard that info, but since she published it herself and the media keeps bombarding me with it, I have every right to keep looking for more details.

I don't see why people are attacking me. I'm just interested because that percentage is extremely high. That's it.

And regarding the "I wouldn't do it..." part—listen, everyone is entitled to their own choice. I'm not the type to judge anyone's stance, even if I happen to think they're wrong.
Angela Wright Angela Wright Regular
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#33 ·
Jacob Stewart2 said:Since you asked, I actually think it was totally unnecessary for her to go public with it in the first place.
One could argue whether she did it out of some "higher" calling, like trying to raise awareness among women—suggesting that if Angelin Jolie did it, then it must be some sort of standard.
Or maybe she did it because she's a total ego maniac who craves the spotlight, all while handing over her private life and simultaneously judging the media for digging into her privacy.

I don't know, and frankly, I don't care.

However, since she went ahead and shared that famous percentage with the public, now I am curious about the basis her doctors used to reach that conclusion.
If she was going to make it public knowledge, she could have provided the full picture. A complete report.

Personally, I would have survived just fine if I hadn't heard that info, but since she published it herself and the media keeps bombarding me with it, I have every right to keep looking for more details.

I don't see why people are attacking me. I'm just interested because that percentage is extremely high. That's it.

And regarding the "I wouldn't do it..." part—listen, everyone is entitled to their own choice. I'm not the type to judge anyone's stance, even if I happen to think they're wrong.

Sorry if my post felt like an attack; that wasn't my intention 😁. I get why you're curious, but I don't get why you're digging so hard when it's obvious we're missing most of the context. Whether she told the whole story or not, whether the media caught everything or missed pieces, or if she's holding back details for a future book—all of that affects how you interpret the situation. That's why I don't understand your selective interest in certain bits and not others, because every missing detail changes the equation.
Jamie Rivera78 Jamie Rivera78 Member
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#34 ·
Ronald Morales51 said:Here is yet another example of poor-quality writing.

You only need to look at this sentence:
Countless millions of women carry the BRCA1 gene and never express breast cancer because they lead healthy, anti-cancer lifestyles based on smart nutrition, exercise, sensible sunlight exposure and avoidance of cancer-causing chemicals.

I haven’t seen a more nonsensical argument. I mentioned earlier that we all carry the BRCA1 gene; it’s actually a perfectly normal gene that produces a functional protein in our bodies. Anyone drawing such sweeping conclusions with this level of "knowledge" clearly doesn't understand what they are talking about.
It is an established and widely accepted fact—one you'll find in almost any medical textbook—that in cases of hereditary breast cancer, lifestyle has a minimal impact. We aren't saying lifestyle doesn't matter at all, but we have to view it in its proper context.
I believe even Wikipedia covers this.
To quote:
Given the high risks and low benefit of lifestyle choices in BRCA mutation carriers, no lifestyle choices provide sufficient protection.

What is actually vital for women to know is that hereditary breast cancer accounts for only about 5% of new diagnoses, whereas other known risk factors contribute up to 30%.

That percentage likely comes from a much more detailed genetic analysis, as I mentioned before. However, since I don't know the specific case being discussed, it’s hard to give an exact answer. Just think of a very simple analogy: one gene, one effect. For instance, if you have the genes for brown eyes, in 100% of cases, you will have brown eyes. In this situation, we are dealing with something somewhat analogous, even if my example is incredibly basic.
Furthermore, that 87% figure refers to the probability of expressing that trait by a certain age, which wasn't specified here. There are also other genes that create an individual's unique genetic landscape, as well as family history, which can help calculate risk more accurately.
If you dig into the professional medical literature, you can find this specific table, which outlines exactly how much the breast cancer risk is adjusted if you're a carrier of a mutation in the BRCA genes. As I mentioned before, the type of mutation essentially defines the variant; if someone carries a non-functional BRCA gene, the picture is quite stark—it’s almost like my simplified example where one gene equals one specific trait. However, we are specifically talking about hereditary breast cancer here, which is the primary driver behind such high risk levels, just as the table illustrates.

I'm not entirely sure what part is tripping you up, but you mentioned being used to seeing smaller risks? Well, first off, risks are often expressed as a hazard ratio or a relative risk, and those numbers aren't directly comparable. What I was getting at is that a certain number of pathologies have a less defined genetic component, meaning the risk of developing them will be low based solely on genetic analysis. But risks aren't exclusively genetic; non-genetic factors can produce effects that are less intense but equally significant. Even though the correlation between a BRCA mutation and cancer is incredibly strong, this actually only accounts for about 5% of all breast cancer cases because that genetic trait is relatively rare. So, while 5% is a massive number, it's only one piece of the entire biological puzzle of this disease.

Furthermore, when we discuss risks calculated through genetic analysis, you often bring up weaker genetic correlations. In those cases, the risk percentage is based on analyzing loci—essentially markers tied to potential genes and known associations between those genes and diseases—which is a fairly descriptive approach. Here, however, we are discussing a gene that is fully defined and thoroughly analyzed. Recent genome analysis projects have clearly demonstrated that many vital elements exist outside of our genes, and frankly, there is still so much we don't know.
I truly believe that in the near future, this will become standard practice—that everything will be calculated for you at birth, because it's all written in the genes, including how sensitive you are to environmental factors and other risk variables. We already have companies offering this online today; you buy a kit, send in your DNA, and receive a highly specific breakdown of your risks for the most common pathologies. Over in the UK, there has already been an active project for several years to create a genomic data bank that would certainly complete this picture. Essentially, the future is already arriving.

That whole "minimal impact" thing is total garbage. What does "sufficient protection" even mean anyway? All these percentages basically act like a healthy lifestyle doesn't matter at all, operating on the assumption that there's zero effect. Because of propaganda like this, people are just going to live even unhealthier lives.
The only thing that actually matters here, from what I can tell, is that removing breasts DOESN'T extend your life, and as of right now, we don't even know if it increases the risk for other types of cancer or if it makes someone more or less likely to get sick later on.
Can you tell me why the popularity of preventative hysterectomies has plummeted over the last few years?
The idea that you can pinpoint a genetic defect right at birth sounds terrifying to me. What's the fallout? Preemptive surgery on newborns? Living a life paralyzed by panic, constant checkups, and endless radiation exposure? What kind of life is that person even supposed to have?
melloworca6 melloworca6 Regular
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#35 ·
You're exaggerating and being dramatic now. 🙂

Nobody ever said a healthy lifestyle doesn't have a positive impact on your health, but it isn't some magic cure-all. If I'm genetically predisposed to diabetes, slamming candy all day certainly won't help me avoid it—but that doesn't mean if I watch what I eat, I'm somehow guaranteed to stay clear. That's the point. You can't exactly rewrite your genetics. You might be able to shave off a certain percentage of risk, but genes are genes.
Jamie Rivera78 Jamie Rivera78 Member
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#36 ·
melloworca6 said:You're exaggerating and being dramatic now. 🙂

Nobody ever said a healthy lifestyle doesn't have a positive impact on your health, but it isn't some magic cure-all. If I'm genetically predisposed to diabetes, slamming candy all day certainly won't help me avoid it—but that doesn't mean if I watch what I eat, I'm somehow guaranteed to stay clear. That's the point. You can't exactly rewrite your genetics. You might be able to shave off a certain percentage of risk, but genes are genes.

Please, I am not exaggerating one bit.
It's not an all-access pass to health; nobody gets a guarantee they won't get sick. Generally speaking, people who live healthy lives face much lower cancer rates, regardless of their genetic hand. Prevention is always better than trying to fix a disaster after it hits.
Angela Wright Angela Wright Regular
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#37 ·
Jamie Rivera78 said:Please, I am not exaggerating one bit.
It's not an all-access pass to health; nobody gets a guarantee they won't get sick. Generally speaking, people who live healthy lives face much lower cancer rates, regardless of their genetic hand. Prevention is always better than trying to fix a disaster after it hits.

Unfortunately, some tumors are simply impossible to prevent. But it raises a fundamental question about what "prevention" actually means—where does it stop being a beneficial proactive measure and start becoming what you call "reactive treatment"? Take mammograms, for example. They fall under the umbrella of prevention via early detection, yet they involve radiation exposure that can impact the thyroid; however, the math shows the benefits outweigh the risks. It’s a constant balancing act. I think the real issue here is a fundamental misunderstanding of these terms. We all know there are no guarantees, yet we struggle to truly accept that reality. There are statistics from clinical studies that provide a roadmap for how we navigate these domains. Anything beyond that is just speculation.

And just to set the record straight once more—reducing a specific risk doesn't automatically equate to a longer life! Every single day, whether we realize it or not, we are exposed to countless life-threatening risks. Arguing over whether one specific procedure extends or shortens a lifespan is a completely pointless line of reasoning.

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