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The Usual Suspects vs. Se7en

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Participants Kimberly Flores5Sarah GreenRichard Wilson4neonorca38Paul Anderson7hollowsailor19bluecyclist64Morgan Brown4Scott Allen33Eric Fox7Jessica GonzalezNancy Williams58Jason Brown4Jerry Robinson56ironranger67Morgan Newman7Karen Smith9Gregory Doyle44Noah Roberts46
Kimberly Flores5 Kimberly Flores5 NewcomerOP
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I decided to kick off this thread to talk about my absolute favorite thrillers from the '90s—and even one or two that I’d rank among the best thrillers of all time (mind you, that's just my personal take, regardless of what anyone else thinks).

I hear you—it’s genuinely tough to pick a favorite between these two. It's a real toss-up for me, too. Because I honestly can't make up my mind, I’m going to add an "undecided" option to the poll for anyone else feeling just as stuck as I am.

I’ve lost count of how many times I’ve sat through both of these—maybe twenty times now—but honestly, they never get old. For me personally, these aren't just movies; they are absolute masterpieces of cinema and art itself. I have to say, though, I sometimes get the feeling that *The Usual Suspects* gets overlooked more than it should. It’s not that people have actually forgotten about it, per se, but it feels like it doesn't come up in conversation nearly as often as it deserves. It really should be considered essential viewing for any true film fanatic.

First, I’ll drop my ratings for both films—though, as most of you probably already know, I hand out tens far more rarely than the US Government cuts corruption:

The Usual Suspects — 10/10 Se7en
Se7en — 10/10


I honestly have so much I could say about both of these films that I don't even know where to start—I mean, I do know, but I’m not going to ramble on forever because I could practically write a book at this point. So, let's dive in.

The Usual Suspects:

I’ve never really sat through a thriller that carries this much mystery—honestly, I’d go as far as calling it mystical—all while maintaining the status of a top-tier intellectual masterpiece. If you want my honest take, I truly consider this one of the smartest films ever made. There, I said it.

With a top-tier script, an incredible soundtrack, and powerhouse acting, this movie creates this lingering sense of mystery—the kind where even today, people still can't stop talking about Keyser Soze. That character... man. If you look specifically at his role, the film really gets under your skin; it makes you wonder for a split second if Keyser Soze actually *is* Satan. I mean—not literally Satan, obviously, but those of you who get it will know exactly what I'm talking about.

No matter how many times you sit down to watch this movie, it hits you with that same feeling... well, maybe not exactly like the very first time—because let’s face it, nothing quite compares to that initial shock—but the film is just so genuinely brilliant that the experience remains incredibly consistent every single time you hit play.

I won't drag this out... It's a masterpiece.

Se7en:

Absolute masterpiece... this is the Mount Everest of thrillers. It doesn't follow the exact same blueprint as Usual Suspects—of course not—because it leans into a different kind of intellectualism, which is nothing less than brilliant in its own right. Much like Usual Suspects, the atmosphere is just one of those things that's hard to put into words; the script is pure genius, the acting is flawless, the cast is spot on, and the story? Simply perfect.

That ending might just be one of the most shocking conclusions in cinematic history—if not quite *the* most shocking.

The tension in that scene with the package—everything about it is just masterfully done. Honestly, even if you’ve seen the movie twenty times by now, it still hits you with that exact same level of suspense as the very first time.

The atmosphere of the film—driven by that incredible acting, the sharp script, and the director’s unmistakable touch—is really heightened by the fact that it pours rain constantly. It felt like we were stuck in one long, rainy week... which makes it such a brilliant paradox when the rain finally stops right as that shocking twist hits. Absolutely genius.

The movie never actually names the city—which I think is brilliant. Honestly, it doesn't even matter where they are. It’s better that way; you can just let your own imagination fill in the blanks if you feel like it.

I’m telling you—both films are such shock-inducing masterpieces that I honestly think it would be nearly impossible for anyone in this industry or genre to top them today. While *The Usual Suspects* has that perfect layer of mystery layered over a solid thriller foundation, *Se7en* is just a pure, uncut thriller at its very core.

To wrap things up—I honestly can't decide which of these two I like better. It’s an impossible choice because I absolutely love both of them, and they both sit comfortably in my all-time top 20.

I was honestly just curious to see if anyone else could actually make that call—I figured someone had to be able to, so I thought it would be interesting to get this thread started and see what you all think.

I'll leave you with two specific scenes—one from each movie. They’re easily my absolute favorites, though honestly, picking just one "most iconic" moment is nearly impossible since I think both films are cult classics from the opening frame all the way to the credits.

🙏🙏🙏

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Sarah Green Sarah Green Newcomer
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#2 ·
I can't make up my mind—both are absolute masterpieces.
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 Veteran
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#3 ·
I’m still leaning towards "The Usual Suspects" myself.

It’s one of those rare flicks where I was actually blown away.
neonorca38 neonorca38 Member
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#4 ·
Hard to choose, they’re both absolute masterpieces... just brilliant 🙏🙏🙏
Paul Anderson7 Paul Anderson7 Active Member
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#5 ·
Both are great, though personally, I think The Usual Suspects takes it.
hollowsailor19 hollowsailor19 Active Member
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#6 ·
The Usual Suspects all day long...
bluecyclist64 bluecyclist64 Regular
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#7 ·
Why didn't you just write Se7en properly? Honestly, seeing that "7" shoved in there instead of a "v" is infuriating.

I lose my mind every single time I run into that typo.
Morgan Brown4 Morgan Brown4 Active Member
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#8 ·
Seven - I remember thinking The Usual Suspects wasn't all that great. Honestly, maybe it was just because my DVD was scratched.
Or the fact that, for some reason, I went into it thinking it was some kind of comedy. 😬😵
Scott Allen33 Scott Allen33 Newcomer
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#9 ·
Both movies are great, but honestly, Se7en is way better if you ask me 🙏 It’s easily in my top five favorites of all time—I might even go as far as saying it's my number one 😁
Kimberly Flores5 Kimberly Flores5 NewcomerOP
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bluecyclist64 said:Why didn't you just write Se7en properly? Seriously, that "7" instead of the "v" drives me crazy.

It honestly gets under my skin every single time I see it.

Haha, alright—let me write it properly for you: SEVEN 😁.
Kimberly Flores5 Kimberly Flores5 NewcomerOP
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Scott Allen33 said:Both movies are great, but Se7en is way better if you ask me 🙏—it’s easily one of my top five films ever, and I might even go as far as calling it number one 😁

There’s no question about it—Se7en is a masterpiece... and it's actually pretty wild to think both of these came out back in 1995.

The poll results are interesting—maybe even a little telling, haha—777:

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Eric Fox7 Eric Fox7 Regular
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#12 ·
Like I was saying before, 1995 was such an incredibly massive year for cinema: http://www.indiewire.com/2015/08/the...f-1995-261094/

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Jessica Gonzalez Jessica Gonzalez Regular
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#13 ·
I don't think these movies are even similar, so the comparisons and voting feel a bit off to me. I guess you could pick any two random films and start a thread like this if you wanted to.
Nancy Williams58 Nancy Williams58 Active Member
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#14 ·
If you're gonna insist on making comparisons just because they dropped in the same year, then you should be looking at Heat versus The Usual Suspects. That actually makes sense, since they're way closer in terms of genre.
Kimberly Flores5 Kimberly Flores5 NewcomerOP
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Bryan Rogers87 said:If we're going to make comparisons just because they came out in the same year, then comparing Heat to Usual Suspects would actually make more sense—genre-wise, they're much closer.

Man... I don't know about that. Usual Suspects isn't any closer to Heat than Se7en is; if anything, they're all about the same distance away.

The only reason I even wanted to see a comparison was that they both dropped in the same year and are predominantly thrillers—though Usual Suspects leans heavily into mystery, while Se7en definitely has its own dose of mystery, too.

They aren't the same kind of movie, of course, but they're both cult classics in their own way.

Don't get me wrong, Heat is an absolute masterpiece—it's a crime-action thriller, one of the best out there, at least in my book—but I could never really see Heat being more "related" to Usual Suspects than it is to Se7en. 🙂
Jason Brown4 Jason Brown4 Newcomer
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#16 ·
It’s the same year, maybe comparable to those movies where Kevin Spacey just messes with everyone's heads. 😁 It was quite a brutal year for him, I guess.

Anyway, The Usual Suspects is my pick. 👍

There are several reasons. Seven is an excellently constructed film, the acting is great and all that, but to be honest, it left me feeling pretty sick. Even now, I can't look at a car air freshener shaped like a little pine tree without thinking of it; it ruined that for me forever. 🤮
Nancy Williams58 Nancy Williams58 Active Member
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Ethan Martin said:Damn... Honestly, The Usual Suspects isn't any closer to Heat than it is to Se7en, if you even consider them close at all.

The only reason I even wanted to see a comparison is because they dropped in the same year and both lean heavily into the thriller genre—though The Usual Suspects has that massive mystery element, even if Se7en has its own dose of it too, obviously.

They aren't the same kind of movies, of course, but they’re both cult classics in their own way.

Heat is a masterpiece, no question, but it's a different beast entirely. It's more of an action-thriller. To be honest, it's one of the best out there for me, but I could never picture Heat being more similar to The Usual Suspects than to Se7en.🙂

Hmm. Actually, there are way more similarities than you think. In both flicks, you've got crews playing cat and mouse with the law, and both feature some kind of mastermind figure (like Robert De Niro in Heat)—I know that's not quite how those specific roles work, but man, there are definitely more parallels between those two than people give them credit for...

Anyway, this reminded me that I need to rewatch The Usual Suspects. It's been ages, but this thread was totally worth it.😁

Personally, I'm more into the darker stuff from Finch... wait, I forgot his name... anyway, Finch had a much harder job on his hands. There are a ton of serial killer movies out there, and trying to make one actually land that "wow" factor seems a lot tougher to pull off than what they did with The Usual Suspects.
Jerry Robinson56 Jerry Robinson56 Regular
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#18 ·
It isn't just that both films are excellent and the crews involved are top-tier; it’s that Kevin Spacey delivers a performance of pure, chilling reality, characterized by a total absence of emotion, matched only by superb direction.
K-Pax ...

10/10 Se7en
ironranger67 ironranger67 Active Member
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#19 ·
I wouldn't say they're in the same league, but The Usual Suspects definitely hit harder for me—the motivations felt deeper, the plot had more meat on its bones, and there were just more characters to get lost in.
Kevin Spacey was absolutely flawless, though I have to say Guillermo del Toro was nothing short of fantastic too. 😁
Morgan Newman7 Morgan Newman7 Member
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#20 ·
Se7en isn't all that special to me. People obsess over it, but it felt too heavy for my taste. Brad Pitt wasn't really selling that final scene for me, and Kevin Spacey is only on screen for a few minutes—nothing crazy there, except the whole plot just leaves you feeling totally drained. Not really my vibe... just didn't click.

The Usual Suspects is way better. I remember watching it for the first time and being totally floored, constantly bugging my friend about who Keyser Soze actually was. She just kept telling me: "gledati do kraj". L.A. Confidential is also top-tier for me. Same crime genre, just masterfully executed.

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