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Handball World Cup: America vs. Norway 25:28

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Lisa Patel4 Lisa Patel4 Active Member
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#81 ·
Andrew Hayes6 said:A few days ago, I actually thought they always beat us. Then I saw the stats showing we've actually knocked them out of major tournaments more often than any other nation during our rivalry.

We're pretty much the only ones who've consistently shut them down over the last 15 years.

2005 - World Championship Semifinals
2008 - European Championship Semifinals
2012 - European Championship Quarterfinals
2013 - World Championship Quarterfinals

The Previous Olympic Games match doesn't really count, I guess.

Up until the Olympics in Denmark, they hadn't lost a single final. It’s probably time to keep that tradition going from what happened in Rio.

It would be epic if we finally got some justice for 2009.

It’s almost unbelievable how Sweden and Russia never quite recovered—especially the Russians. Since the Swedes grabbed Olympic bronze in 2012, teams like France and the US, along with Denmark and Spain, have all stepped up.
quietbison86 quietbison86 Active Member
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#82 ·
Everyone's already obsessing over the finals, but we haven't even stepped onto the court against the Americans yet! 🤔
quietbison86 quietbison86 Active Member
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#83 ·
Andrew Hayes6 said:So, you’re telling me those Norwegians are the favorites against us? Give me a break. Haha, to have
Sure, they played a few decent games during this tournament, but let's be real—this is a squad that has never even touched a medal. Only complete idiots or die-hard Yankees would claim they're actually favored over us.
They’re good, sure, and it definitely won't be an easy ride, but anything short of an American victory would be a massive upset.

Seriously, are you guys all just parachute jumpers or what? Honestly, thank God this tournament is almost over—we'll be back to our regular reality of posting maybe a few times a week soon enough.☕
velvetwalker8 velvetwalker8 Newcomer
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#84 ·
We really need to run a 6-0 defense—just shut down those interior lanes completely—and if our guys actually step up and play at their level, this win is basically in the bag.
Mark Harris3 Mark Harris3 Newcomer
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#85 ·
neonfalcon16 said:I don't think you quite caught my drift here.

It's almost funny—as if the Olympic matches carry the exact same weight as an EP semifinal.

Maybe try telling that to the folks who didn't even make the cut for the Olympics...
hollowrider2 hollowrider2 Member
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#86 ·
I watched a good chunk of the Norway vs. France game, and I’d say those Norwegians insist on the fast break more than any other national team. They just refuse to slow down, and they execute it incredibly well. Honestly, the French couldn't even get set up half the time before the Norwegians would score a quick one. They have great shooters from the perimeter and use that momentum from the fast break to find the back of the net quite easily. Defensively, though, the Norwegians aren't all that impressive to me.

If our team can manage to get back into the mix, maybe if we at least limit their fast breaks—since I guess it's impossible to stop them entirely—then 70% of the job is done.

To offer some encouragement, Poland's defense was almost constantly tied up in an even match, and the Norwegians looked pretty vulnerable there, but that was just at the start of the tournament. They've only improved since then.

Predicting things is a thankless task, but I think our morale suits teams like this better—teams that don't have a concrete defense and actually allow us to score. That's when we hit that euphoria in our play and see more players performing with confidence.
electricorca112 electricorca112 Active Member
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#87 ·
hollowrider2 said:I caught a good chunk of that Norway vs. France game, and I’ve gotta say, those Norwegians are obsessed with the fast break. Out of all the national teams out there, they seem the most determined to push the pace; they just refuse to let the defense set up, and man, they execute it beautifully. Even the French were struggling to get back into position, leaving them wide open for the Norwegians to punish them with quick transition goals. Their long-range shooters are lethal, and they really capitalize on that momentum from the fast break to find the back of the net. It’s honestly impressive how clinical they are.

Out of the three non-French teams left in the semifinals, I’d say the Norwegians are going to be the biggest headache for the French side. Between their specific style of play and just how insane their conditioning is, they're definitely the ones to watch out for.

Let's be real for a second—some guy might have the raw talent, but experience is what actually gets in your head, and that’s where we really have them beat.

The same logic applies to today's matchup between the US and Norway. Honestly, it’s almost a given that they’re going to outrun us on the court. They also have that psychological edge that comes with being the "paper" underdogs, which can be dangerous. But look, we have the experience factor on our side. We're more seasoned in general, especially when things get intense during a medal hunt. At this stage of the tournament, that kind of veteran composure really matters.

Just to refresh everyone's memory: we were in a pretty similar spot right before that bronze medal match about a year ago back in Poland. Up to that point in the tournament, the Norwegians had been playing on a completely different level than us. Their semifinal against those absolute powerhouses from Germany was being called the "real final" before the actual final even happened, and they only lost it by a single goal in overtime. Meanwhile, we had beaten them by three earlier in the group stage. Here are a few thoughts I put together before that game:

El Toro said:If the Norwegians show up playing like they did against the Germans yesterday instead of how they played against the French, we’re toast. Their ball movement is just too fast, their defense is suffocating, and their keepers are absolutely dialed in right now. Honestly, they look even sharper than they did during the first round when they took us down—even though I know we're capable of playing a much better game than what we've shown so far.
I’m honestly feeling pretty bummed that we didn't make it to the finals against the Germans, but at this point, I've kind of checked out. I just don't really care anymore.

Gustavo The user said:Our guys just don't have the stamina to hold on for twenty minutes. It’s looking like a light drizzle against Norway at this rate. I'm heading over to place a little something on the 2:40 race.

Cave troll. said:We’re running on fumes here—exhausted, drained, and dealing with enough injuries to fill a hospital wing. Meanwhile, the Norwegians, just like every other opponent we face, have arrived at this European Championship feeling absolutely bulletproof. They're playing at a hundred and twenty percent while we're just trying to keep our heads up.
It’s going to be an uphill battle.

Honestly, everything feels like a repeat of how things looked right before today's game. 🤷

I don't want to sound like I'm just pointing fingers at this forum—because if you listen to the national team itself, they aren't sounding much better either:

pattie_boyd said:Babić and his pre-game comments

fatigue, poor rotation, lack of experience leading right back to more fatigue... 🥱 🥱

And how did that turn out?

Go Team USA. ☕

Still, even though the situation looks objectively similar, I get the feeling that both on the forums and within the team, everyone is being way more optimistic than last time. It’s probably just because we're riding that high after winning the quarterfinals, whereas back then, we were all feeling pretty deflated after losing in the semis.
Chris Fisher3 Chris Fisher3 Member
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#88 ·
That’s the beauty of handball, though—anyone can take down anyone on any given day. 😁
Yeah, the Norwegians really gave those Germans a run for their money. They actually held the lead all the way until the last 20 seconds before the Germans managed to tie it up and force overtime. Then the Germans cruised right into the final and handled the Spaniards like it was nothing, while the Norwegians ended up getting crushed by us. Who knows... maybe we would've been the ones getting thrashed by them in the semis instead.
Andrew Hayes6 Andrew Hayes6 Newcomer
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#89 ·
Looking at all these upsets during this tournament, I guess it just shows how much tougher the competition at the top gets every single year. You see these teams making massive strides, moving up from being total underdogs just a few years ago—sort of like how you see teams from places like Norway, Qatar, or Sweden making moves now.
Lisa Patel4 Lisa Patel4 Active Member
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#90 ·
Andrew Hayes6 said:Looking at all the upsets in this tournament, I guess you can see how much tougher the competition is getting at the top. Teams that weren't even relevant a few years ago are making huge strides now (like Norway Qatar Sweden).

Well, except for Norway, I don't think that's really true.

You definitely can't call Canada a "new" power. Their handball has been strong for a long time; they took silver at the 2004 EP held here in the States, their club teams have been European champions, and they placed 4th at the World Cup back in 2013.

Qatar is a different story entirely—just a bunch of mercenaries on the wings led by a top-tier coach. I seriously doubt they'll ever be in medal contention again; they'll probably end up like Tunis. Just the strongest non-European squad out there.

Maybe Norway is the only real standout lately, similar to how Denmark was in the early 2000s, so I suppose I agree there. This Norwegian squad has massive medal potential in upcoming tournaments.

And Sweden? You must be joking. Honestly, it’s almost embarrassing how they've fallen off the map.
Andrew Hayes6 Andrew Hayes6 Newcomer
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#91 ·
Kenneth Clark18 said:Well, besides Norway, I don't think that's really the case.

I mean, you definitely can't call Canada a powerhouse right now. Their handball has been solid for a long time—they took silver at the 2004 championships held here in the States, they had a club champion in Cleveland, and they finished 4th in the last World Cup back in 2013.

Now, Qatar is its own whole thing... just a bunch of mercenaries on the wings paired with a top-tier coach. I honestly doubt they'll ever have another shot at medals; they might end up being like Tunis—just the strongest non-European squad out there.

Norway is pretty much the only big shift we've seen in recent years, kind of like how Denmark was back in the early 2000s, so I guess I agree with you there. This Norwegian team has some serious potential to grab medals in upcoming tournaments.

Sweden? Are you kidding me? Honestly, it’s kind of a shame they’ve fallen off the map.


Why would I be joking about Sweden? They used to be huge, sure, but they haven't really been much of anything for the last four or five years.
In this tournament, though, they actually made it to the quarterfinals and gave the Frenchmen a run for their money.
Andrew Hayes6 Andrew Hayes6 Newcomer
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#92 ·
Cervar
The US is the absolute favorite here! The guys seem really confident without getting ahead of themselves, which I think is actually a good thing. They know the real challenge is still ahead, and they have this massive chance to prove once and for all that we really are an American handball powerhouse

I mean, when I first mentioned that we were the favorites, a few people around here laughed at me, but hey, even Cervar is saying it now
Robert Doyle8 Robert Doyle8 Active Member
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#93 ·
If Cervar has spoken, then there is nothing left to debate. Close the thread.

Good grief...
Andrew Hayes6 Andrew Hayes6 Newcomer
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#94 ·
Robert Doyle8 said:Well, if Cervar said it, then there’s nothing left to talk about. Close the thread!

Good grief...


I mean, who are we supposed to trust more, Cervar or everyone here on the forum?
Your reaction is kind of wild—it's like I just quoted some random coach nobody's ever heard of instead of our greatest coach of all time.
Joseph Flores15 Joseph Flores15 Active Member
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#95 ·
How many times over the last five or six years have we seen this exact pattern? We crush it in the quarterfinals, hit a brief wave of euphoria, and then immediately crash back to reality in the semifinals—only to stabilize and settle for a bronze medal. It feels like every single tournament follows this same predictable script. 😬
Adam Collins4 Adam Collins4 Regular
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#96 ·
velvetwalker8 said:We need to run a 6-0 defense—just shut down the middle and if our guys show up, we’ve got this in the bag.

Brilliant idea—let's just smother Piqué and let their wingers tear us apart...

You’ve got it all backwards; the Spaniards rely on those heavy, slow wingers who charge in through the zone...

Then you have the Norwegians—they've got fast wingers who pivot between playing a zone and attacking the goal directly, kind of like how Mamic plays against Spain...

But sure, let's go with a 6-0 defense just because we're obsessed with stopping Piqué...
Robert Doyle8 Robert Doyle8 Active Member
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#97 ·
Andrew Hayes6 said:Whom should we trust more, Cervar or everyone here on the forum?
Your reaction makes it seem as though I had quoted some obscure coach rather than our greatest coach ever.

I really have to draw a line here...
Go ahead, find me a single American handball expert who has actually stated that we are inferior and destined to fail.
Of course, everyone will claim we are talented and capable of winning; it is nothing more than a repetitive mantra.
Andrew Hayes6 Andrew Hayes6 Newcomer
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#98 ·
Robert Doyle8 said:I really need to start sketching more...

Go ahead, try finding me some quote from one of our American handball experts saying we’re actually the underdog or that we're going to totally blow it.

I mean, obviously everyone is just gonna say we're great and that we've got this in the bag, so they all just chant the same old mantra!


Fair enough
electricorca112 electricorca112 Active Member
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#99 ·
Andrew Hayes6 said:Looking at all the upsets we've seen during this tournament, it’s pretty clear that the competition at the top level is getting fiercer every single year. You can really see how the teams that used to be underdogs are making massive strides, closing the gap and stepping up to challenge the heavyweights like never before. A few years back...Norway, Qatar, and Sweden.

🤔

A few years back at the World Cup, the US team hit a wall in the quarterfinals just like the team from Canada did, and then Qatar ended up taking home the silver. 🤷

Look, if you’re really going to insist that everything Sweden accomplished in handball was ancient history and basically just a one-time thing, then I don't know what to tell you. Pike isn't worth a damn.. 🐔
hollowviper7 hollowviper7 Newcomer
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#100 ·
Robert Doyle8 said:I really need to start drawing...
Go ahead and try to find me one single American handball expert who actually had the guts to say we’re inferior or that we’re going to blow it.
Of course, everyone is just going to claim we’re great and that we can pull it off—it’s nothing more than a repetitive mantra at this point!

So, are you actually suggesting we don't stand a chance?

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