CheckEmoji Community · the emoji forum
🏠 Home 🆕 What's new ❓ Unanswered 🔥 Popular 📡 RSS Members 👥 0 online log in · register
Home › Miscellaneous › Feedback & Suggestions › The Democratic Party is a mess, but what about Adolf Hitler, Saddam Hussein, and Joseph Stalin?

The Democratic Party is a mess, but what about Adolf Hitler, Saddam Hussein, and Joseph Stalin?

Started by Nicholas King · · 👁 9 views · 53 replies

📡 Subscribe to replies

Participants Nicholas KingDaniel Ward87Sandra Parker3jadecyclist42Henry Hernandez7steelskipper5rustydrifter10Christian Taylor3swiftcrane96Jerry Rogers6Sandra Gonzalez3Alex Cook
Christian Taylor3 Christian Taylor3 Active Member
213 messages
joined Jul 2010
#41 ·
Daniel Ward87 said:That’s a total lie.

The guy got banned because he made a burner account just to stir the pot over in Politics. I told him straight up that he couldn't post here using that specific handle, so he's more than welcome to make a new one. But if he keeps posting the exact same stuff, he's going to get banned regardless of what his username is.

Nice makes a fair point; if he had picked a different name, he might not have been flagged immediately, but with posts like those, he would’ve caught a moderator's eye pretty fast anyway, and the result would be identical.

@Nicholas King - look, I don't owe anyone an explanation for everything. As an admin, I have certain tools at my disposal, and I use them when they make sense, in coordination with the rest of the mod team. It’s tough when so much of the actual conversation happens in private messages, leaving you guys seeing only half the story, which leads to a lot of wrong conclusions. I don't need to air all that out here, and even if I wanted to, I can't because I won't leak private info.

Personally, I couldn't care less about him; the actual issue here is the whole debate over prohibited usernames. I wouldn't even be chiming in if it weren't for your explanation for the ban—to paraphrase: "Using 'Marshall Party' as a handle is out, go study some American history from 1945 to 1995." Come on, guys, let's not play games. Just explain the ban to him clearly, the way Nice would, and call it a day, without all these unnecessary history lessons or banning people based solely on their handle (which is really the impression you give, thanks to your posts over at KZB).

@Byron — yeah, I’m not obligated to explain everything. As an admin, I have certain tools at my disposal that I use whenever I deem it appropriate, in consultation with the other moderators. It's a real headache when so much of the communication happens via private message, leaving us with only a fraction of the story visible here, which often leads to people jumping to the wrong conclusions. I don't have to air that data here, and even if I wanted to, I couldn't because I can't just leak private information.

To make a long story short, nobody is stopping (or are they?) new users from creating an account called "Marshall lives forever" and posting on the Forum, even in threads about Marshall. They could be the most polite and constructive members we have. They'll be judged strictly on their actions, just like everyone else.
Nicholas King Nicholas King RegularOP
716 messages
joined Jan 2023
#42 ·
Sandra Gonzalez3 said:That is straight up false. It's a total lie. Nobody's getting banned because of their politics.

Why not? Honestly, I doubt anyone would even notice if Josip Broz Marshall, the Communist Party, or even Stane Dolanc were posting about gardening on some hobbyist forum.

There’ve been plenty of cases like this before, nothing flashy, like I said. The arguments have already been laid out right here in this thread multiple times... I still think my point stands: you're just bored. As soon as you find some other "mistake" by the mods, you'll move on to that. 😉

Thanks for the attention. Catch you later when the next "massive crisis" hits.

Look, I really don't see any point in diving into a sea of sarcasm right now—honestly, it just feels incredibly childish. Shifting the focus toward... It’s always the same old story—when someone actually brings up a valid point or presents some hard evidence that can't be ignored, the opposition immediately retreats into the gutter. Instead of addressing the actual substance of the argument, they pivot to an ad hominem attack. It’s a lazy, transparent tactic—really, it is—designed to discredit the person rather than the idea. I guess it's just easier to insult someone's character than it is to actually engage with their logic, isn't it? It’s a pathetic way to dodge a debate, and frankly, it makes the whole discussion feel incredibly shallow. It’s that classic, tired little tactic used whenever someone needs to pivot the conversation away from the actual point—but I wasn't born yesterday, you know.
By the time you actually manage to stumble upon a moderation "oversight" that holds any real interest for you—if you even can—you’ll probably have already moved on to something else entirely. I guess that's just how it goes. 😉

You’ve got too many quotation marks in there.

I have absolutely no reason to doubt that we’re dealing with a total troll—someone who’s likely just some clone of an existing user, probably registering through a proxy to hide their tracks—but the real kicker here is how the admin handled it. For the longest time, the moderator treated this person like a legitimate member of the community, as if their only "crime" was having an inappropriate username. It’s honestly baffling. I mean, when the user actually asked, "Can I just open a second account since I won't be posting under this one anymore because Daniel Ward87 isn't in a good mood?" the response they got was simply, "You cannot post on the Forum using that nickname." It’s such a strange, measured way to handle someone who clearly doesn't belong here. Find a better option first—then maybe everything will finally fall into place.".

As far as I can see—and I might be wrong here, but I don't think I am—until this thread actually caught fire, the only real issue was that controversial username. I mean, the guy was quite clearly and loudly told that if he just found a better handle, everything would be fine. As far back as I can remember, nobody had officially declared this some sort of "day kindness to troll."

So, if the initial response had just been, "You're a troll/clone—goodbye and good riddance"—which, let’s be honest, I believe is a frequent occurrence over on Politics, then it would have been a solid five out of five. But honestly? It feels like an insult to the common sense of any actual reader when, within a single thread, you go from...That being said—and I say this after looking closely at how recent investigations into communist atrocities have unfolded across the country—I honestly believe it might be wiser to head off any potential provocations before they even start. Perhaps it would be better to simply prevent certain individuals from posting on the Forum under their current handles altogether... wouldn't that be the more prudent way to handle things? I suppose I should probably get around to actually doing something—though, if I’m being honest, I’m still weighing all the variables first. It’s not as simple as just jumping in, you know? There are layers to consider—consequences, timing, the general atmosphere—and I’d rather not rush into a decision only to realize later that I missed a crucial detail. Maybe I will eventually, but for now, I think I'll just sit here and process everything.Yeah, he got Banned because he set up a burner account just to go around stirring the pot over in Politics. ".
Sandra Parker3 Sandra Parker3 Regular
419 messages
joined Oct 2007
#43 ·
Daniel Ward87 said:That’s a total lie.

The guy got banned because he made a burner account just to stir the pot over in Politics. I told him straight up that he couldn't post here using that specific handle, so he's more than welcome to make a new one. But if he keeps posting the exact same stuff, he's going to get banned regardless of what his username is.

Nice makes a fair point; if he had picked a different name, he might not have been flagged immediately, but with posts like those, he would’ve caught a moderator's eye pretty fast anyway, and the result would be identical.

@Nicholas King - look, I don't owe anyone an explanation for everything. As an admin, I have certain tools at my disposal, and I use them when they make sense, in coordination with the rest of the mod team. It’s tough when so much of the actual conversation happens in private messages, leaving you guys seeing only half the story, which leads to a lot of wrong conclusions. I don't need to air all that out here, and even if I wanted to, I can't because I won't leak private info.

So, I guess the username really is an issue after all.
Daniel Ward87 Daniel Ward87 Active Member
195 messages
joined May 2023
#44 ·
Sandra Parker3 said:So, I guess the username really is an issue after all.

Yeah, he’s been Banned from the Forum. We had to shut down that specific username because he was just using a clone account to stir up trouble.
Henry Hernandez7 Henry Hernandez7 Active Member
128 messages
joined Apr 2014
#45 ·
I’m honestly a little lost here. Did the Marshall Party get Banned because of the username or was it a clone issue? I could really use some clarification.
Sandra Gonzalez3 Sandra Gonzalez3 Active Member
105 messages
joined Oct 2008
#46 ·
Nicholas King said:Look, I really don't see any point in diving into a sea of sarcasm right now—honestly, it just feels incredibly childish. Shifting the focus toward... It’s always the same old story—when someone actually brings up a valid point or presents some hard evidence that can't be ignored, the opposition immediately retreats into the gutter. Instead of addressing the actual substance of the argument, they pivot to an ad hominem attack. It’s a lazy, transparent tactic—really, it is—designed to discredit the person rather than the idea. I guess it's just easier to insult someone's character than it is to actually engage with their logic, isn't it? It’s a pathetic way to dodge a debate, and frankly, it makes the whole discussion feel incredibly shallow. It’s that classic, tired little tactic used whenever someone needs to pivot the conversation away from the actual point—but I wasn't born yesterday, you know.
By the time you actually manage to stumble upon a moderation "oversight" that holds any real interest for you—if you even can—you’ll probably have already moved on to something else entirely. I guess that's just how it goes. 😉

You’ve got too many quotation marks in there.

I have absolutely no reason to doubt that we’re dealing with a total troll—someone who’s likely just some clone of an existing user, probably registering through a proxy to hide their tracks—but the real kicker here is how the admin handled it. For the longest time, the moderator treated this person like a legitimate member of the community, as if their only "crime" was having an inappropriate username. It’s honestly baffling. I mean, when the user actually asked, "Can I just open a second account since I won't be posting under this one anymore because Daniel Ward87 isn't in a good mood?" the response they got was simply, "You cannot post on the Forum using that nickname." It’s such a strange, measured way to handle someone who clearly doesn't belong here. Find a better option first—then maybe everything will finally fall into place.".

As far as I can see—and I might be wrong here, but I don't think I am—until this thread actually caught fire, the only real issue was that controversial username. I mean, the guy was quite clearly and loudly told that if he just found a better handle, everything would be fine. As far back as I can remember, nobody had officially declared this some sort of "day kindness to troll."

So, if the initial response had just been, "You're a troll/clone—goodbye and good riddance"—which, let’s be honest, I believe is a frequent occurrence over on Politics, then it would have been a solid five out of five. But honestly? It feels like an insult to the common sense of any actual reader when, within a single thread, you go from...That being said—and I say this after looking closely at how recent investigations into communist atrocities have unfolded across the country—I honestly believe it might be wiser to head off any potential provocations before they even start. Perhaps it would be better to simply prevent certain individuals from posting on the Forum under their current handles altogether... wouldn't that be the more prudent way to handle things? I suppose I should probably get around to actually doing something—though, if I’m being honest, I’m still weighing all the variables first. It’s not as simple as just jumping in, you know? There are layers to consider—consequences, timing, the general atmosphere—and I’d rather not rush into a decision only to realize later that I missed a crucial detail. Maybe I will eventually, but for now, I think I'll just sit here and process everything.Yeah, he got Banned because he set up a burner account just to go around stirring the pot over in Politics. ".

Yeah, exactly. If you were a moderator in Politics, you'd get it. There is a MASSIVE difference between showing up with a trash nickname to drop political bombs and then switching over to the gardening section to geek out about pansies using that same handle.

So, until this thread actually blew up, the only issue was the controversial name. I mean, the guy was literally told to find a better handle "and everything will be okay," and as far as I recall, it wasn't exactly declared a "day kindness to troll."

We're just spinning our wheels here. They didn't even get banned immediately just for trolling, otherwise a permaban would have looked weird. If they had, everyone on the PŽK would have lost their minds over a cloned Marshall with like three posts... 😁(just kidding). The combo of the username and the actual posts made it obvious what the goal was, so removing that shady handle from Politics was the right call by the mods.

Henry Hernandez7 said:I’m honestly a little lost here. Did the Marshall Party get Banned because of the username or was it a clone issue? I could really use some clarification.

Seriously, I'm confused too. 😕
Sandra Parker3 Sandra Parker3 Regular
419 messages
joined Oct 2007
#47 ·
Sandra Gonzalez3 said:Yeah, exactly. If you were a moderator in Politics, you'd get it. There is a MASSIVE difference between showing up with a trash nickname to drop political bombs and then switching over to the gardening section to geek out about pansies using that same handle.

So, until this thread actually blew up, the only issue was the controversial name. I mean, the guy was literally told to find a better handle "and everything will be okay," and as far as I recall, it wasn't exactly declared a "day kindness to troll."

We're just spinning our wheels here. They didn't even get banned immediately just for trolling, otherwise a permaban would have looked weird. If they had, everyone on the PŽK would have lost their minds over a cloned Marshall with like three posts... 😁(just kidding). The combo of the username and the actual posts made it obvious what the goal was, so removing that shady handle from Politics was the right call by the mods.

Seriously, I'm confused too. 😕

That’s just plain false.

That handle wasn't just removed from Politics; they're banned from the entire Forum.
Here you go, go ahead and do your own research:

Daniel Ward87 says:
I honestly don't see why people act like this is some massive revelation when it’s just common sense, though I suppose I shouldn't be surprised that everyone is losing their minds over nothing again.
There's just too much going on here. You can't exactly post anything with a handle like that. On the Forum.If you really want to understand what's going on, I'd suggest diving into American history from 1945 to 1995.

I honestly don't have the energy for this kind of nonsense right now. It’s just exhausting watching people act like they know everything when they clearly don't.
That username shouldn't be allowed to post here. On the Forum.Just find a better one and everything will be fine.
Sandra Parker3 Sandra Parker3 Regular
419 messages
joined Oct 2007
#48 ·
Daniel Ward87 said:Yeah, he’s been Banned from the Forum. We had to shut down that specific username because he was just using a clone account to stir up trouble.

So does that mean he’d be fine if he used a different handle? No, obviously not; they'd just have to put up with him for a little longer.

That makes sense, but still, using a term like the Marshall Party carries some negative weight here on the Forum, doesn't it?

Or maybe:

Does that imply he can post with a different or similar handle, as long as he stays civil?

If it's the latter, where do we actually draw the line on tolerance? That's more of a rhetorical question.
Henry Hernandez7 Henry Hernandez7 Active Member
128 messages
joined Apr 2014
#49 ·
Sandra Gonzalez3 said:Yeah, exactly. If you were a moderator in Politics, you'd get it. There is a MASSIVE difference between showing up with a trash nickname to drop political bombs and then switching over to the gardening section to geek out about pansies using that same handle.

So, until this thread actually blew up, the only issue was the controversial name. I mean, the guy was literally told to find a better handle "and everything will be okay," and as far as I recall, it wasn't exactly declared a "day kindness to troll."

We're just spinning our wheels here. They didn't even get banned immediately just for trolling, otherwise a permaban would have looked weird. If they had, everyone on the PŽK would have lost their minds over a cloned Marshall with like three posts... 😁(just kidding). The combo of the username and the actual posts made it obvious what the goal was, so removing that shady handle from Politics was the right call by the mods.

Seriously, I'm confused too. 😕

Look, if I’m being totally real with you, I wasn't exactly expecting a genius breakdown from your side anyway, since you don't even really get why he got Banned.
Nicholas King Nicholas King RegularOP
716 messages
joined Jan 2023
#50 ·
Sandra Gonzalez3 said:Yeah, exactly. If you were a moderator in Politics, you'd get it. There is a MASSIVE difference between showing up with a trash nickname to drop political bombs and then switching over to the gardening section to geek out about pansies using that same handle.

So, until this thread actually blew up, the only issue was the controversial name. I mean, the guy was literally told to find a better handle "and everything will be okay," and as far as I recall, it wasn't exactly declared a "day kindness to troll."

We're just spinning our wheels here. They didn't even get banned immediately just for trolling, otherwise a permaban would have looked weird. If they had, everyone on the PŽK would have lost their minds over a cloned Marshall with like three posts... 😁(just kidding). The combo of the username and the actual posts made it obvious what the goal was, so removing that shady handle from Politics was the right call by the mods.

Seriously, I'm confused too. 😕

Look, you can certainly speak for yourself—and please, by all means, go ahead and do so—but don't expect me to just nod along with whatever opinion you decide to throw out there. I have my own perspective on this, which, granted, might be a bit more nuanced than yours, but that's hardly the point. I suppose some people just prefer to live in a bubble of their own making, ignoring the broader context of the situation, but I can't say I'm surprised. It's just... well, it's how things are, isn't it? You see it all the time in these online discussions—people making sweeping generalizations without a second thought for the actual facts at hand. I’m not saying you’re wrong, per se, but I am saying that your view is far from the only one worth considering.
He wasn't even banned that quickly—he’s just out here trolling at this point. Honestly, jumping straight to a permanent ban would feel a bit excessive right now. I mean, imagine the absolute chaos and uproar we'd see erupting across the PŽK if they actually pulled the trigger on a permanent ban over some guy mimicking Marshall Party with nothing more than three posts to his name. It would be a total circus. 😁 (just kidding)

First off—and I’m not even suggesting otherwise, since you mentioned it yourself—these little drive-by provocations and the inevitable bans that follow them are just par for the course on Politics. It's practically a daily occurrence. Honestly, I can't recall a single instance where one of those bans actually caused a massive uproar or triggered some kind of investigation—so, if anyone is claiming otherwise, I'd say that argument doesn't hold any water whatsoever.

Secondly—and I really feel this needs to be clarified—when that first ban on the Marshall Party occurred, the issue wasn't actually about the appropriateness of their username, nor was it some grand statement regarding American history between 1945 and 1990. It was much simpler than that: they were just banned. Period. And as for any sort of external reaction to that specific ban—who actually stepped in? Who voiced an opinion? Honestly, nobody.

Based on that, I suppose I have to respect all the little spins being thrown around in an attempt to construct a more polished, more "historical" timeline of this whole mess—not to mention the sudden, rather convenient pivots in the logic and... It’s an ad hominem attack—pure and simple. Just when the actual arguments start getting interesting, someone decides to take a cheap shot at the person instead of addressing the point being made. It's such a lazy way to dodge a difficult conversation, I guess. Instead of engaging with the logic, they just go straight for the character assassination. Honestly, it's a pathetic tactic, though I suppose we shouldn't be surprised given the current state of discourse online. Sarcasm—honestly, it’s just not working for you guys. I mean, seriously.

I have to say—and I mean this sincerely, without a hint of sarcasm—it’s actually a relief that such a controversial topic didn't just vanish from the KZB overnight. There used to be a certain level of... let's call it "spirited debate" happening around these things, and honestly, we could probably use a bit more of that kind of discussion again.
Sandra Gonzalez3 Sandra Gonzalez3 Active Member
105 messages
joined Oct 2008
#51 ·
Henry Hernandez7 said:Look, if I’m being totally real with you, I wasn't exactly expecting a genius breakdown from your side anyway, since you don't even really get why he got Banned.

And you think anyone actually bothered explaining things to you?... 😕

You don't even know why he got Banned...

You already know... 🙂

Nicholas King said:Look, you can certainly speak for yourself—and please, by all means, go ahead and do so—but don't expect me to just nod along with whatever opinion you decide to throw out there. I have my own perspective on this, which, granted, might be a bit more nuanced than yours, but that's hardly the point. I suppose some people just prefer to live in a bubble of their own making, ignoring the broader context of the situation, but I can't say I'm surprised. It's just... well, it's how things are, isn't it? You see it all the time in these online discussions—people making sweeping generalizations without a second thought for the actual facts at hand. I’m not saying you’re wrong, per se, but I am saying that your view is far from the only one worth considering.
He wasn't even banned that quickly—he’s just out here trolling at this point. Honestly, jumping straight to a permanent ban would feel a bit excessive right now. I mean, imagine the absolute chaos and uproar we'd see erupting across the PŽK if they actually pulled the trigger on a permanent ban over some guy mimicking Marshall Party with nothing more than three posts to his name. It would be a total circus. 😁 (just kidding)

First off—and I’m not even suggesting otherwise, since you mentioned it yourself—these little drive-by provocations and the inevitable bans that follow them are just par for the course on Politics. It's practically a daily occurrence. Honestly, I can't recall a single instance where one of those bans actually caused a massive uproar or triggered some kind of investigation—so, if anyone is claiming otherwise, I'd say that argument doesn't hold any water whatsoever.

Secondly—and I really feel this needs to be clarified—when that first ban on the Marshall Party occurred, the issue wasn't actually about the appropriateness of their username, nor was it some grand statement regarding American history between 1945 and 1990. It was much simpler than that: they were just banned. Period. And as for any sort of external reaction to that specific ban—who actually stepped in? Who voiced an opinion? Honestly, nobody.

Based on that, I suppose I have to respect all the little spins being thrown around in an attempt to construct a more polished, more "historical" timeline of this whole mess—not to mention the sudden, rather convenient pivots in the logic and... It’s an ad hominem attack—pure and simple. Just when the actual arguments start getting interesting, someone decides to take a cheap shot at the person instead of addressing the point being made. It's such a lazy way to dodge a difficult conversation, I guess. Instead of engaging with the logic, they just go straight for the character assassination. Honestly, it's a pathetic tactic, though I suppose we shouldn't be surprised given the current state of discourse online. Sarcasm—honestly, it’s just not working for you guys. I mean, seriously.

I have to say—and I mean this sincerely, without a hint of sarcasm—it’s actually a relief that such a controversial topic didn't just vanish from the KZB overnight. There used to be a certain level of... let's call it "spirited debate" happening around these things, and honestly, we could probably use a bit more of that kind of discussion again.

I don't see any reason why this thread should be gone. There's nothing wrong with the ban, and I've got absolutely nothing to hide...
Christian Taylor3 Christian Taylor3 Active Member
213 messages
joined Jul 2010
#52 ·
Sandra Gonzalez3 said:And you think anyone actually bothered explaining things to you?... 😕

You don't even know why he got Banned...

You already know... 🙂

I don't see any reason why this thread should be gone. There's nothing wrong with the ban, and I've got absolutely nothing to hide...

The real blunder here was how the ban was justified, because an admin should probably refrain from trying to lecture everyone on history lessons. If they wanted to be blunt, they could have just told him to go hit the books and actually study American history from the 1940s, but I guess that didn't happen. Regardless, we shouldn't be getting into these "ideological" debates on the KZB, especially not with the admins involved; just state the actual reason for the ban and let's move on with our lives in peace. If things had been handled properly from the jump, this whole thread wouldn't even exist, so hopefully, we've all learned something today.

I have to disagree with Henry Hernandez7 regarding the administration being in total shambles—that's just not true. Generally speaking, the admins do a solid job. A mistake was made, and then it was corrected.
Sandra Gonzalez3 Sandra Gonzalez3 Active Member
105 messages
joined Oct 2008
#53 ·
Christian Taylor3 said:The real blunder here was how the ban was justified, because an admin should probably refrain from trying to lecture everyone on history lessons. If they wanted to be blunt, they could have just told him to go hit the books and actually study American history from the 1940s, but I guess that didn't happen. Regardless, we shouldn't be getting into these "ideological" debates on the KZB, especially not with the admins involved; just state the actual reason for the ban and let's move on with our lives in peace. If things had been handled properly from the jump, this whole thread wouldn't even exist, so hopefully, we've all learned something today.

I have to disagree with Henry Hernandez7 regarding the administration being in total shambles—that's just not true. Generally speaking, the admins do a solid job. A mistake was made, and then it was corrected.

:facebook: Like 😍

I think we can wrap this discussion up now. 🤷
rustydrifter10 rustydrifter10 Regular
693 messages
joined Apr 2011
#54 ·
I'm on the exact same page here. Both Strile and I stepped up and offered some solid answers, just like a few of the mods did. Honestly, I think it’s pretty obvious why that guy ended up getting banned.

You must log in or register to reply here.

Log in Register

🔗 Similar threads