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stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
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#61 ·
jadeseal7 said:Interesting how much narrower it is. Hopefully that doesn't trigger some other headaches.

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The car looks great, especially from an overhead shot... if it wasn't red, you'd swear it was an RB 😁
Honestly, the only ugly thing about it is the nose. No contest there... though who knows, maybe they'll swap it out mid-season.

But overheating could definitely be an issue. It's easy to see where things might get messy there. 🤔
Then again, if it works, this thing could actually be a beast. 👍
mellowtiger83 mellowtiger83 Regular
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#62 ·
stormybadger8 said:Why on earth would anyone call that nonsense?
Maldonado and Hamilton are actually two of the most similar drivers on the grid...
The primary distinction is simply that Hamilton was driving elite machinery, whereas Maldonado was stuck in an entirely different league regarding equipment quality...
Furthermore, the FIA seemed to penalize Maldonado for every little thing, while they frequently turned a blind eye when it came to Hamilton...
But fundamentally, they are cut from the same cloth: just floor the throttle and ram into whatever happens to be in front of you...

True enough, except for the minor detail that Hamilton actually won races against Alonso, Button, Rosberg, and even Vettel back in F3, all while sitting in top-tier cars.
swiftmaker12 swiftmaker12 Active Member
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#63 ·
copperdrifter26 said:Man, you’ve really gone down a rabbit hole here... So, if the SF15 was such a masterpiece, why did it only snag three wins? If Red Bull had used a Ferrari engine, they wouldn't have won a single one—and Ferrari would be sitting right where they've been for the last five or six years. Third. Based on some of these posts, it seems like they should have just stuck to their old ways. Conservative and playing it "safe." They aren't Williams after all...

Aside from the hideous livery, this year's car is actually stunning. It's a massive step up from last year's McLaren junk that basically put all its eggs in one basket. The rear end is incredibly narrow now (to get more airflow to the diffuser), the sidepods are among the smallest on the grid—which implies great cooling—and the gearbox has been completely redesigned; it practically "floats" now (just look at the space under the gearbox housing), which also creates a huge domino effect for the rear aerodynamics. They’ve got a new nose (which might still change?), a redesigned power unit, and they've moved the MGUK and intercooler toward the center of the chassis to optimize the center of gravity.

Basically, the Italians seem to have done a killer job. It looks like they took advantage of that Haas loophole and those 24-hour wind tunnel sessions to pull off some incredibly fine and aggressive aero cuts. I'm calling it now: we'll see them trailing Mercedes by about .2 seconds in Melbourne. Mark my words.

It’s such a shame an expert like you wastes your time on some obscure forum with trolls instead of being featured in prestige magazines or on major TV networks...
What's the point of acting like your personal opinion is somehow superior to mine?

Well, let me try to level the playing field a bit:
1. The SF15 only won three times because last year's car was a total Miss World winner that grabbed 16 victories...
2. How can a machine be "wonderful" if the paint job is ugly? Does it have "inner beauty"?... It's funny how 90% of Ferrari fans—especially the die-hard ones in Italy—refuse to acknowledge anything outside of Ferrari by default...
3. What does last year's McLaren have to do with this year's Ferrari?
4. The rear end is twice as narrow as last year. That's exactly why it's going to hurt twice as much when Ferrari starts backing off or slowing down due to overheating...
5. If the Ferrari is "floating," is it a bird or a plane?... What "floating"? Honestly, sounds like you might have indulged in a little too much greenery today...
6. Why would they bother changing the nose again if the lead designer, Sergio Costa, says the car has been worked on for nearly a full year? I guess they finally hit some data in the wind tunnel that gives an edge to the "nose guys"...
7. All this just confirms my point: Ferrari has undergone a total overhaul compared to last year!
8. The gap to Mercedes will be more than a second... Mercedes has spent three years straight just fine-tuning, while Ferrari spends eight years doing radical concept shifts every single season...
9. By race four or five, the talk will already start about how they need to focus on the 2017 car...
swiftmaker12 swiftmaker12 Active Member
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#64 ·
Ferrari is likely going to crash and burn this year—the Italian press is already reporting that things felt incredibly tense during the launch, with everyone at Ferrari seemingly paralyzed by fear of Marchionne...
The big boss, Marchionne, has been playing ruthlessly with anyone who held a meaningful role in the team up until 2014; he didn't just push them out, he used every single opportunity to humiliate them while they were already down...
When you install a sadistic dictator as the head, the creative engineering team ends up working in a state of constant tension and massive stress—which, naturally, comes back to haunt them...

Throughout the winter break, Marchionne was very loud and clear about his expectations for Ferrari must stop settling for occasional wins and actually go after the 2016 title... so, of course, Arrivabena, Allison, and especially Sebastian Vettel gave their carefully worded responses, basically saying "we'll see" or suggesting it wasn't quite that simple—all while being extremely diplomatic—noting that Melbourne is just the first of 21 races...

Ultimately, the consensus among the Italian journalists who cover Formula 1—people who understand the internal dynamics within the walls of Maranello far better than we ever could—is unanimous: the eyes of everyone in the team are wide with terror...

And we all know when eyes get that wide... it's because of fear...

In the modern business world (and let's be honest, Formula 1 transitioned from a sport to a business a long time ago), overall success depends heavily on an invisible psychological component. You can't put a precise number on it, but if you look at the subtle indicators, it tells you exactly which direction things are headed...

Those Italian reporters are experts at smelling blood in the water... or rather, spotting the cracks in what's supposed to be a cohesive marriage...
granitestag15 granitestag15 Member
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#65 ·
James Allen sees things a bit differently here:

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2016/0...ence-is-clear/
swiftmaker12 swiftmaker12 Active Member
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#66 ·
Alright, for the enthusiasts out there—here’s the full testing schedule starting Monday:

MON:
Mercedes: Hamilton
Ferrari: Vettel
Williams: Bottas
Red Bull: Ricciardo
Force India: Celis
Toro Rosso: Sainz
Renault: Palmer
Sauber: Ericsson
McLaren: Button
Manor:
Haas: Grosjean

TUE:
Mercedes: Rosberg
Ferrari: Raikkonen
Williams: Bottas
Red Bull: Ricciardo
Force India: Perez
Toro Rosso: Verstappen
Renault: Palmer
Sauber: Ericsson
McLaren: Alonso
Manor:
Haas: Gutierrez

WED:
Mercedes: Hamilton
Ferrari: Vettel
Williams: Massa
Red Bull: Kvyat
Force India: Hulkenberg
Toro Rosso: Sainz
Renault: Magnussen
Sauber: Nasr
McLaren: Button
Manor:
Haas: Grosjean

THU:
Mercedes: Rosberg
Ferrari: Raikkonen
Williams: Massa
Red Bull: Kvyat
Force India: Celis
Toro Rosso: Verstappen
Renault: Magnussen
Sauber: Nasr
McLaren: Alonso
Manor:
Haas: Gutierrez
mellowtiger83 mellowtiger83 Regular
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#67 ·
If anyone happens to know where I might find a reliable source for live timing, I would be quite grateful. A link would be appreciated.
Edward Mendoza6 Edward Mendoza6 Member
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#68 ·
Ferrari is just taking everything this year 🎉
mellowtiger83 mellowtiger83 Regular
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#69 ·
Edward Mendoza6 said:Ferrari is just going to take everything these years 🎉

Every little thing. They’ll snatch up every single bit.🍿
Drew Bennett68 Drew Bennett68 Regular
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#70 ·
Testing Overview and Schedule:

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TEST DRIVER LINE-UP:

MONDAY TUESDAY WEDNESDAY THURSDAY
Mercedes Hamilton Rosberg Hamilton Rosberg
Ferrari Vettel Vettel Raikkonen Raikkonen
Williams Bottas Bottas Massa Massa
Red Bull Ricciardo Ricciardo Kvyat Kvyat
Force India Celis Perez Hulkenberg Celis
Renault Palmer Palmer Magnussen Magnussen
Toro Rosso Sainz Verstappen Sainz Verstappen
Sauber Ericsson Ericsson Nasr Nasr
McLaren Button Alonso Button Alonso
Manor Wehrlein Wehrlein Haryanto Haryanto
Haas Grosjean Gutierrez Grosjean Gutierrez
Susan Jones8 Susan Jones8 Member
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#71 ·
mellowtiger83 said:If anyone happens to know where I can catch the live timing, I'd really appreciate it—maybe drop a link?

There’s gonna be a live report on Sky Sports, Autosport, and probably a ton of other sites too.
It's definitely not like back in the day, when I actually had to hunt down some sketchy Spanish website just to see what was happening. 🙂
jadeseal7 jadeseal7 Active MemberOP
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#72 ·
So, it looks like Mercedes opted for a subtle design evolution, whereas Ferrari went for a total radical redesign.

It’s going to be a fascinating season—fingers crossed!
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#73 ·
mellowtiger83 said:Sure, if you ignore the fact that Lewis Hamilton beat Alonso, Button, Rosberg, and even Vettel back in F3—all while driving the exact same cars.

And who’s to say the same thing wouldn't happen to Pastor Maldonado if he actually got a decent shot?
Both types drive like they're constantly on the edge, just floor it and see what happens, then lose their minds if anything gets in their way...
The issue with Maldonado was just being stuck in the midfield, which usually ended in a massive wreck or him spinning out... but when he actually had a front-row start, he proved he could hang with the best.
It's the same deal with Hamilton; he's shown plenty of times that he can play the Maldonado role if he doesn't start on the pole. Ask Sergio Massa, he knows the feeling all too well. 😁

jadeseal7 said:So basically, Mercedes went for a light evolution in design, while Ferrari went for a total overhaul.

Should be interesting, hopefully.

The only interesting part will be seeing if Germany finally lets Rosberg off the leash and allows actual racing, or if they'll keep everything strictly catered to one driver...

As for Ferrari vs Mercedes? I don't expect much of a fight. Mercedes is so dominant right now that nobody is catching them until there's a massive rule change.
Even if Ferrari bought out all of Red Bull Racing and tried to build some Frankenstein hybrid of an RB and a Ferrari, they'd still struggle to make it competitive.

Honestly, the only way we see a real battle is if Germany stops babysitting Rosberg and lets him and Lewis Hamilton go at it tooth and nail every race—assuming the team actually lets them.
Or maybe if Goodyear comes up with some weird tire compound that somehow hates Mercedes and works perfectly for everyone else...
Anything else? Not a chance.
jadeseal7 jadeseal7 Active MemberOP
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#74 ·
It’s certainly a possibility, though it doesn't necessarily imply 😁
Drew Bennett68 Drew Bennett68 Regular
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#75 ·
jadeseal7 said:So, basically, Mercedes went with a subtle design evolution, while Ferrari opted for a total overhaul.

It’s going to be fascinating to watch, I really hope so.

I wouldn't exactly call it radical, though.

The regulations are so incredibly restrictive anyway, aren't they?

At the end of the day, it’s all just one long line of evolution.😛
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#76 ·
jadeseal7 said:Sure, maybe, but that doesn't necessarily mean 😁

Germany had a massive advantage last year that was obvious to everyone, but the thing is, they still had plenty of headroom left that they didn't even need to touch. It’s almost impossible to say just how much extra performance they were sitting on in their back pocket...
Meanwhile, everyone else was running at absolute limit and still couldn't catch them...

Look, Ferrari grabbed three wins, which is the same amount Red Bull Racing got the season before, but let's be real: if Germany had actually stayed focused during those six weekends and if their drivers had actually done their jobs at 100%, those other teams wouldn't have walked away with a single one of those victories...
jadeseal7 jadeseal7 Active MemberOP
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#77 ·
The reality is, we have no clue exactly how deep the Mercedes stockpile goes, but even they have to hit a ceiling eventually.

It looks like Ferrari decided to go for some more radical moves—they clearly believe this is their shortcut to catching up with Mercedes, and honestly, I respect the hustle.

If the folks over at Ferrari truly believe they can pull this off, who am I to argue? I’m all for it—as long as this entire design doesn't end up being a total disaster like the McLaren Honda era.
Jason Campbell70 Jason Campbell70 Veteran
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#78 ·
https://amp.twimg.com/v/dd6b47ca-2fe...1-1bccc7f44952

http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/124...tone-shakedown

The W07 makes a brief appearance. Try playing around with pausing the video.

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The central inlet looks larger, but everything else seems scaled down.
To all you haters out there: you’re just clinging to this irrational hope that Mercedes completely botched it... mostly because your own favorites are looking grim.
Pun intended.

The car looks stunning. I wonder how much more we'll actually get to see.
jadeseal7 jadeseal7 Active MemberOP
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#79 ·
Is there any hope left? For those of us who live and breathe NASCAR, I can only pray that Chevrolet keeps fighting for the top spot—we really need more than just one dominant team out there to keep things interesting.

Honestly, it feels like the only people who actually want zero competition are the die-hard fans of Lewis Hamilton's entire legacy.
neonfox65 neonfox65 Regular
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#80 ·
I'm not really a fan of Sebastian Vettel or Ferrari—so I'm just rooting for total dominance 😁

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