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What's the deal with the Film #2 thread?

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silvergardener6 silvergardener6 MemberOP
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#1 ·
I feel I should mention yet another reported incident that hasn't received any kind of response so far.

Remam said:If Hawking isn't worth anything, then why would the film be worth anything? 🤷

silvergardener6 said:What kind of comment is that!?

Remam said:You, of all people, acting like a pseudo-scientist, are probably the last one who should be commenting on this. 🥱

To be quite specific—I don't think it's right for someone to personally attack and insult me just because I pointed out how distasteful and uncivilized it was to dismiss a man, who achieved more than almost all of us despite his illness, as being worthless.
northernpilot2 northernpilot2 Active Member
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#2 ·
silvergardener6 I can't even begin to wrap my head around what they're saying here, honestly. It's like, you read something and you just think, "Are we really doing this?" I guess maybe I'm just being cynical, but it feels like everyone's just shouting into the void at this point, you know? Like, I was scrolling through Reddit the other day and saw a similar thread that was just as messy, and it’s kind of wild how much people love to argue about nothing. Anyway, I don't know. Maybe it's just me. I might be totally off base here, but it feels like we're missing the entire point of the conversation. Or maybe I'm just overthinking it, which—let's be real—is basically my default setting at this stage of my life. Whatever.
So, I’m back again, venting about yet another report I filed that’s just... sitting there. Nothing. Not even a peep. Honestly, it feels like I'm shouting into a void at this point, and I guess I shouldn't be surprised, but it still gets under my skin. It’s just one more thing being ignored, you know?

Well, there you have it. I’ve officially weighed in.
So, that post where he called you some kind of pseudo-scientist? Yeah, that got nuked. And honestly, your post—the one that actually triggered him in the first place—got wiped out too. Everything's gone.

silvergardener6, what do you actually think you're doing, honestly? Like, you go in there trying to troll everyone just for the hell of it, and then you act all shocked when people start coming for you? It’s kind of hilarious, really, how you can stir up all that drama and then sit there acting surprised by the reaction you basically invited. I guess you just don't get it, maybe.

Look, let's get one thing straight—I’m really not looking to get personally attacked or dragged by anyone here just because I refuse to sit back while someone acts like a total jerk. It’s honestly pretty low, you know? We're talking about a man who, even while battling his illness, managed to achieve way more than almost any of us ever will, yet some people still have the nerve to be incredibly tactless and call him worthless. It's just gross, honestly.

Look, there’s really no need for you to go playing lawyer for Hawking. If people just don't see him as a heavyweight in his field, then that's just how it is, I guess. I honestly don't feel like getting dragged into some debate about who thinks what about whom, or who's out here respecting someone and who isn't. It's not my business, really.
Look, if you respect him and he doesn't feel the same way about you, honestly, who even cares? It's not that deep, I guess.
silvergardener6 silvergardener6 MemberOP
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#3 ·
There is a significant difference between simply failing to appreciate someone and flat-out declaring them worthless as a human being, especially when we are talking about a man who was physically ill yet whose work serves as the foundation for so many concepts in physics. I believe my question in the chat was perfectly legitimate, and that certainly doesn't justify the moderators jumping straight to a direct insult toward me by just deleting everything without a word.

On a separate note, while I haven't personally been unfairly banned from this subreddit before, I’m starting to get the growing impression that the moderation team here is, to put it mildly, rather lax and disconnected—hardly present when they actually need to be, yet very much needed. This isn't just a personal grievance stemming from my recent complaints either; I've felt this way for quite some time now.

So, there you have it, 👋
redbear2 redbear2 Active Member
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#4 ·
northernpilot2 said:There’s really no need to play lawyer for Hawking. If Hawking doesn't carry weight for him as a person, then he doesn't. Honestly, I'm not interested in getting into what people think about others, or who values whom.
If you value him and he doesn't value you, who cares?

Before everyone starts boiling over here, I just want to ask: does this mean we can call other users worthless without violating the rules of Reddit?

From what I gather, insults on this site get you banned regardless of whether they're aimed directly at a specific person or group, or if they're indirect (and it doesn't matter if they're members here or not). Based on how you phrased things in this thread, calling someone "worthless" isn't considered an insult, but rather just a question of respect. Is that what you're trying to say? If so, thanks for the clarification. I'll be keeping this as a precedent in case anyone gets banned for similar behavior down the road.
northerncrane4 northerncrane4 Regular
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#5 ·
I just wanted to mention that I received a report regarding this post and I'm honestly not sure how to handle it. To me, much like many others on this thread, it feels borderline—there are definitely elements of insults and trolling here—so I'll leave it to the mods to decide what to do.
northernpilot2 northernpilot2 Active Member
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#6 ·
redbear2 said:Before everyone starts losing their minds over this, I just wanted to ask... does this mean we can call other people on Reddit useless without technically breaking any rules?
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Is Hawking even a regular user here, or did I somehow miss something?

I mean, if he’s actually talking about some random user with the handle Hawking, then I guess I totally missed a chapter, and calling them useless would definitely count as an insult.
redbear2 redbear2 Active Member
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#7 ·
northernpilot2 said:Is Hawking actually a member here on Reddit, or am I just losing my mind?

If he’s referring to a specific user under the handle Hawking, then I clearly missed a chapter. Calling someone worthless would definitely be an insult in that case.

So, does that mean we have a free pass to insult people who aren't even part of this community? Like public figures?

Even if it were a fellow user, why would it be considered an insult? It's just our own evaluation of a person.

I really don't want to get bogged down in what people think about one another, or who respects whom.
You respect him, he doesn't respect you—who cares?
northernpilot2 northernpilot2 Active Member
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#8 ·
We aren't going to play those kinds of games. 🙂
It was pretty obvious from the start that the post wasn't actually targeting or insulting anyone else on the forum.
Look, if he’s got his own specific take on Hawking, that’s his business, and honestly, I don't really care enough to sit here and argue about it forever.

As far as my role as a supermod goes, I'd say this whole situation is already settled.
silvergardener6 silvergardener6 MemberOP
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joined Feb 2014
#9 ·
northerncrane4 said:I just wanted to mention that I received the notification. ovog posta I honestly don't know how to handle this situation. To me, it feels just as borderline as it does for many others participating in this thread; there are definitely certain elements of insults and trolling mixed in there, so I suppose it’s up to someone to decide how we should proceed.

I don't think I've crossed any lines here. When I shared my thoughts on the movie and responded to other posts, my intention was never to attack anyone personally. My point was simply that, up until that moment, there hadn't been much in the way of serious criticism. I didn't say there was absolutely none, and I stand by that, because it seems to me that a huge portion of the discourse has focused almost entirely on scientific accuracy. To my mind, those technicalities aren't really relevant when you're judging the actual quality of a film—especially those tiny details that people seem to obsess over thousands of times. I believe I have every right to explain why a certain comment felt superficial, or perhaps even one-dimensional, especially since his subsequent posts suggest he hasn't quite grasped the core of the issue yet. I’ve been thinking quite a bit lately about whether love is truly as immeasurable as we like to pretend it is. We often cling to this romanticized notion that affection is some ethereal, unquantifiable force that defies logic, but I find myself wondering if that might just be a way to avoid looking at the data. It seems to me that, if we were being entirely honest with ourselves, love could actually be quantified through our actions, our time, and the sheer consistency of our presence in someone else's life. I guess it isn't as mystical as the poets make it out to be; perhaps it’s more of a measurable series of investments and sacrifices. Maybe we just prefer the mystery because the math feels a little too cold, but I can't help but feel there's a pattern there if you look closely enough. I suppose there isn't much to say about Dio, really. It’s one of those things where you just have to sit with it for a moment, I guess.

If you take a closer look at what I’m actually quoting in that post, you'll see it isn't just some marginal observation. I’m pointing out how they constantly engage with other users, make sweeping generalizations about Nolan fans, and react with this hysterical, troll-like intensity just because someone mentioned the word "ode" in a *raskoljnikovljev* context. It isn't marginal to me when snack includes a few lines about other commenters in almost every single post, simply because they seem unable to separate interpersonal drama from actual discussion about the movie itself. Their posts—and I mean the posts, not necessarily the person—always feel so emotionally charged and carry this frantic, hysterical tone. It's why Deckard jumps onto my reply to their thread, repeating those same patterns by telling me things like, "Calm down and take a deep breath," "This is more tragic for you," or "Go rewatch the movie before you come back."

You know what I did? I actually went back and watched the ending again. I suppose I’m always willing to reconsider my own stance if it means getting closer to the truth, and after giving it another look, I realized that he really doesn't have a clue. All that irony and constant mocking... it feels like he might not even truly grasp the weight of what he's talking about. I suppose one might argue that things become more tangible when they are quantifiable, though I find myself wondering if there's a certain inherent value in the things we can't quite measure. It feels like we often fall into this trap of thinking that if we can't put a number on something—whether it's an emotion, a sense of purpose, or even just a fleeting moment of beauty—then it somehow lacks weight or significance. Maybe I'm being a bit idealistic, but I've always felt that the most meaningful parts of our lives tend to exist in that gray area where data fails us. Of course, in a world driven by metrics and constant optimization, it’s easy to see why everyone is so obsessed with making everything measurable, but I guess I still hold onto the idea that some truths are simply felt rather than calculated..

I suppose if you were actually the one holding the reins and keeping everyone in check—especially those people who constantly go on about how one side is better than the other—then the entire topic and the subforum itself would probably turn out to be quite different and much better.

northernpilot2 said:We aren't going to play it that way. 🙂
It seemed pretty clear to me that the post wasn't intended to target or offend anyone else on the forum.
As for his specific take on Hawking, I suppose that’s entirely his own business, and frankly, I don't feel much of an urge to get caught up in an endless debate over it.

As far as I'm concerned, looking at this from the perspective of a supermodel, I feel like this whole situation has already been settled.

This thread wasn't reopened because of some perceived slight against Hawking, but rather because I felt personally insulted. I don't think his behavior justifies my reaction in the chat when I asked, "What is that comment supposed to mean?" It feels like you just deleted the posts like you usually do, and I suppose bluenomad2 still doesn't seem to grasp that, according to the rules, direct insults toward other users shouldn't be permitted.

Look, if that’s how you’ve decided to play it, then I suppose that’s where things stand for me too. It seems like we've reached the end of the road on this one.
bluenomad2 bluenomad2 Active Member
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#10 ·
northernpilot2 said:Is Hawking actually a user here, or did I miss something?

If he’s referring to a specific user named Hawking, then I must have missed something, because calling him worthless would definitely be an insult.

As far as I know, Hawking isn't a user on this site. That's just the magic of the internet—belittling famous people. It's even easier when they're outsiders. Sure, the posts were deleted, but I felt fine about it. My stance on Hawking remains unchanged.

northernpilot2 said:This thread wasn't opened over some insult toward Hawking. It was opened because you insulted me directly to my face. His supposed insult doesn't justify my question in chat, "What kind of comment is that?!" You just deleted the posts like you always do, and bluenomad2 still won't realize that according to the rules, you shouldn't be hurling direct insults at other users.

Fine, your decision stands—as far as I'm concerned, the matter is closed.

What insult, man?

Calling a quasi-scientist an insult? You can try selling that one to grandmas at the farmer's market. I still see you that way based on your posts on the movie #2 subforum and elsewhere. This isn't an insult; it's a suggestion that you stop generalizing, labeling, and attacking people like you constantly do on the movie #2 board. Right now, you're obsessed with the Interstellar topic. Even your last post is full of labels and attempts to dismiss other users just because they don't agree with you. Go ahead and belittle actual people like I do—it's much more effective when they're outsiders.

And since you're constantly bragging about "scientific facts" that are 99% wrong, I think we all know what's really going on here.

Now you're playing the victim. I didn't expect anything less.
redbear2 redbear2 Active Member
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#11 ·
northernpilot2 said:We aren't going to 'play games' like that. 🙂
It was pretty clear he wasn't targeting or insulting any other user in the thread.
Having his own take on Stephen Hawking is his business. It doesn't change anything for me, and I have no interest in debating his opinion endlessly.

As for my role as a supermod, this issue is settled.

Fine, I accept that. Insults are only penalized if they are directed at users. That makes sense.

But what if we're disparaging or insulting an entire nation? Would that be treated as an insult under these rules? If not, would it even be flagged, and if so, what’s the penalty? Since we don't know if a specific group of people includes our users (excluding neighboring countries where we obviously have active members), does that mean it's all fair game and won't be punished?

I'm looking for a straight answer here—no fluff. This is about whether those in charge (the mods and higher-ups) are actually being consistent with their judgments. More importantly, it's about whether the Reddit rules themselves are applied consistently.
silvergardener6 silvergardener6 MemberOP
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#12 ·
bluenomad2 said:I’m not quite sure how you can call that an insult, kid.

Calling someone a pseudo-scientist isn't really an insult, in my opinion; honestly, you could probably try selling that line to grandmothers at a local farmers market. I still view you in that light based on your contributions over on the movie subreddit and various other subforums. I don't see this as an attack, but rather more of a gentle suggestion that you might want to try generalizing less, labeling people, or being dismissive toward others—things you seem to do quite frequently on the movie subreddit. Right now, you're focused on the discussion about Interstellar, and even looking at your latest post, it seems heavily weighted toward labeling and belittling other users just because they happen to disagree with your perspective. If you were going to belittle actual people, like I do, then maybe it would be different, especially if they were from out of state.

And since you're constantly citing scientific facts that, I suspect, aren't actually facts about 99% of the time, I think it's fairly clear what's really happening here.

Now you're playing the victim. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised.

Using nouns as descriptors again, I see.

It's not as though I expected you to come forward with the truth. Every time you slip up with a falsehood, I ask you to back it up, and you tend to disappear, so I won't bother asking you to do that this time.

The matter is settled, and I would like to request that the moderators close this thread; it started as a specific discussion but has devolved into talking about everything under the sun, which really should be reserved for different threads.
northernpilot2 northernpilot2 Active Member
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#13 ·
redbear2 said:Alright, fine, I’ll bite. So insults only get punished if they're aimed directly at users here? I guess that makes sense on its own.

But what happens if we start trashing or insulting an entire nationality? Would that actually count as a punishable offense under these rules? If it doesn't, then what? And if it does, what kind of penalty are we talking about? Since we can't exactly tell if someone like Stephen Hawking is a user here or not, how do we know if a random person from that group is a user or not (not counting the neighboring countries where we obviously have plenty of regulars)? So, basically, everything is fair game and nothing gets flagged? Is that really how this works?

.

Look, if I seriously have to sit here and explain to you why there's such a massive difference between attacking a whole nation versus just insulting some actor, a singer, or even Stephen Hawking—it doesn't even matter who—then honestly, I feel like we've reached the point where there's really nothing left for us to talk about.
redbear2 redbear2 Active Member
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#14 ·
northernpilot2 said:If I actually have to sit here and explain why there’s a massive difference between insulting an entire nation and just insulting a random actor, singer, or Stephen Hawking—it doesn't matter who—then we've already lost the plot. There's really nothing left to discuss.

Real mature for a moderator. Just dodging the actual question. It’s more than just avoiding the point, though; it feels like a subtle dig at my intelligence just to sidestep a direct answer. Shouldn't moderators be setting the standard for everyone else on the site?
Gregory Ward Gregory Ward Newcomer
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#15 ·
redbear2 said:Real mature move from a moderator right there. Just dodging a direct answer entirely. Honestly, it’s more than just dodging; it’s a straight-up personal attack on me, trying to subtly insult my intelligence just so they don't have to actually address the point. Shouldn't moderators be setting an example for the rest of the users?

They know exactly what they're doing by punishing people for "insulting" users instead of dealing with some random troll who's clearly just looking for trouble. It's way easier to just cut things off at the root and hope the guy takes the hint and leaves, rather than actually managing the situation. They really need to learn how to tell the difference between someone calling out nonsense and just being a total jerk for no reason.
bluenomad2 bluenomad2 Active Member
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#16 ·
Yeah, right. You "Stephen Hawking" types 🤣

What kind of user are you? We were talking about the movie http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2980516/

I wrote "Stephen Hawking isn't worth much, so why would the movie be?" But yeah, I was actually talking about the user 👏

silvergardener6 caught on immediately, but now you're all rambling about some phantom user with the handle Hawking 🤣

I'm going to go see if a user like that even exists.

The issue is that users like silvergardener6 never look at both sides of an argument, so they never acknowledge their own insults or labeling, even when everyone tells them to stop. As far as I'm concerned, let him keep going. At least he's interesting.

Found him. Here is the user with that nickname http://www.reddit.com/user/56837

127 posts, last active back in 2008.🤣
silvergardener6 silvergardener6 MemberOP
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#17 ·
If I have truly insulted another user or used offensive labels, please feel free to list those specific posts here so I can be held accountable. I would genuinely like to understand the criteria being used, because I don't believe calling someone's comment "hysterical" should fall under that category—it really makes me wonder why everyone seems so insistent on telling me to stop. Or perhaps this is just the third or fourth attempt on your part to discredit me using empty rhetoric and fabrications; from what I can see in another thread on Reddit, your own history of provocation isn't exactly spotless either.
redbear2 redbear2 Active Member
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#18 ·
bluenomad2 said:Yeah, yeah, Reddit user Stephen Hawking. 🤣

Just your typical Redditor here. Someone actually went and asked a question about a movie. Interstellar. It’s one of those films that sticks in your brain long after the credits roll. You watch it once and think you get it, then you watch it again and realize how much you missed. It’s heavy stuff—time dilation, gravity, the sheer loneliness of space. It makes you feel small, but in a way that feels purposeful rather than just empty. Some people find the science a bit much, but I think that’s part of the charm. It pulls you in by making the impossible feel almost tangible. Definitely worth a rewatch if you haven't seen it in a while.

I wrote this. If Stephen Hawking isn't worth the hype, why would the movie be? Oh yeah, I meant one of the folks over on Reddit.

silvergardener6 actually figured that part out, but now you guys are just rambling about some phantom user going by the name Stephen Hawking. 🤣

I'm going to go ahead and see if there's actually someone out there on Reddit who posts like this.

The issue is that users like silvergardener6 never bother looking at both sides of an argument. They just jump straight to insults and labeling people, acting like they aren't doing anything wrong, even when everyone tells them to knock it off. Personally? Let him keep going. At least he makes things interesting.

Well, look at that. I just stumbled upon a user with a nickname like that on Reddit.

127 posts, last seen back in 2008. 🤣

How do you actually know Stephen Hawking wasn't just some regular guy hanging out on Reddit? 🤷

You know. Yes or no? Honestly, who knows. At this rate, we might as well start insulting some random group of people whose existence on Reddit we can't even verify. My understanding of the rules is pretty straightforward: if you want us to get flagged for an insult, the target has to be a registered user here. It’s like saying you can't commit a foul if the other player isn't officially on the roster. On top of that, I was told that calling the members of this community worthless counts as an insult too. Simple enough.

I’m just looking for consistency.
northerncrane4 northerncrane4 Regular
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#19 ·
redbear2 said:At that rate, we might as well start insulting any other group whose members we can't account for here on Reddit.

Attacking an entire nationality qualifies as hate speech—which is a violation of the rules on this platform.
redbear2 redbear2 Active Member
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joined Oct 2014
#20 ·
northerncrane4 said:Attacking an entire group of people counts as hate speech, which is a violation of our community guidelines.

I disagree. Being insulting isn't the same thing as spreading hatred.

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