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Grace Smith3 Grace Smith3 Newcomer
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#341 ·
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Guidelines for the Rose Bowl

This Saturday, we’re heading down to the Rose Bowl, where that whole "Brotherhood Code" is in full effect. It’s all designed for one thing: thinning out the crowds in the stands and essentially silencing—if not completely extinguishing—anyone brave enough to stand up against the football mafia. I suppose if we want our fan movement to actually survive, proper preparation before entering the lion's den is absolutely essential.
Lately, one of the most frequent reasons people end up being detained at the Rose Bowl involves attempting to enter the stadium while intoxicated—specifically, showing up with a blood alcohol content over 0.50—or simply wandering into seating sections without a valid ticket. I suppose we won't go through an exhaustive list of every single minor infraction that could land you in trouble, but we felt it was probably wise to offer some guidance on how to conduct yourself should you find yourself being detained by security.

It is quite important to understand that, according to our legal procedures, once the police take someone into custody, they are required to either bring that individual before a magistrate to face a misdemeanor charge or release them within a twelve-hour window. I suppose people often misunderstand what actually constitutes the moment of arrest; it isn't merely when you are being pulled aside or when you find yourself sitting in a holding cell at the station. Rather, the clock officially starts ticking at the exact moment the officers explicitly inform you that you are under arrest and state the specific reasons or charges for which you are being detained. Furthermore, if a person happens to be under the influence of alcohol at the time, I believe the law dictates that these mandatory timelines only begin to run once the individual has actually sobered up.
If you want to avoid unnecessary drama within your family, I would suggest taking advantage of the option that allows the police to notify a family member in the event of an arrest; doing so might help keep those legal timelines somewhat more manageable. If you find yourself in that situation, your companions should reach out to the secretary of the Black Knights, provide your full name, and explain the reason for the detainment. The Black Knights have actually organized some legal assistance for this Saturday, so we will be doing everything in our power to support those who have been taken into custody.
In any case, I suppose you will all be facing the Referee this Sunday to answer for those infractions.
If I may offer a bit of unsolicited advice regarding your appearance before the local magistrate, I would suggest that you might want to be very careful about waiving any right to appeal the initial ruling. It might be wise to hold onto that option, just in case.
It seems to me that the police, acting essentially as both prosecutor and judge, will typically approach you with an offer to simply plead guilty to the violation you're being charged with. They'll suggest that if you waive your right to appeal, they might let you off with a minimal fine—though, I suppose, one must remember that those costs usually include... $100 I suppose, if you look at the situation objectively, since you’ve already been taken into custody, you are technically presented with the option to pay off two-thirds of the fine within a certain timeframe once the ruling becomes final. However, I guess the catch—and it seems like a rather significant one—is that they simultaneously impose a ban preventing you from attending any soccer matches for an entire year.

I suppose it feels like the police, working hand-in-hand with the Referee, have one primary objective here: to clear us out from the stands entirely. If you decide to waive your right to appeal, I fear there really isn't much anyone can do to help at that point. Every single fan who is forced away from the stadium represents one less voice contributing to our collective struggle.
Generally speaking, aside from offering you some sort of nominal fine, they tend to issue a warning—though I suppose one could interpret that "warning" as either helpful advice or a veiled threat, depending on how you look at it. They essentially suggest that if you refuse to admit to the violation and waive your right to an appeal, the police will likely recommend, and the Court will probably grant, your detention until the misdemeanor proceedings are finalized. In layman's terms, it’s basically pretrial detention. It is my understanding that they do indeed possess that legal authority under the current statutes.
I suppose, if I am understanding the legal nuances correctly, being held during a misdemeanor proceeding shouldn't exceed fifteen days before a verdict is handed down—and that assumes you have already served one day of that period. Once that's done, there isn't much more to it, I guess.

There are three potential ways the Referee could rule here: they might release the individuals with a fine for a misdemeanor, issue a one-year ban from attending games, or hand down a fifteen-day jail sentence. Personally, I can't help but feel that if we start seeing people thrown in jail for fifteen days for any violation under the Anti-Riot Law—things like alcohol issues or ticket discrepancies—it would set a rather alarming precedent, if you will.
In any case, I would strongly suggest that you don't go giving up your right to appeal. If you find yourself facing a verdict where you've been found guilty and handed a restraining order, filing an appeal actually serves to delay the enforcement of that ruling. It might be worth considering, I suppose.
So, if I’m reading this correctly, it means you can still show up to the match while the ruling is being appealed. Your voice will still be heard from the stands. If that dictator over at the Rose Bowl is allowed to appeal his ban and go back to attending games like everything is normal, then I suppose we should have that same right, too.
There are a few other points that I think it might be worth keeping in mind:
I suppose I should clarify that chanting "The Federation are f***ing ruining football" doesn't actually violate the Anti-Riot Law regarding sports competitions. Given the nature of those specific chants, I simply wouldn't be able to issue a ban for them.
We live in a nation where laws are supposed to be passed by the U.S. Congress, not by some soccer federation or officials from FIFA and UEFA. I recall a time when those very same individuals tried to convince us that certain "vouchers" were actually legal mandates we all had to follow. If you remember what we told you back then, you probably realize who was actually right and how that whole situation played out.
Now, they are attempting to peddle yet another narrative that simply doesn't hold up under the scrutiny of the Anti-Riot Law regarding sporting events. It feels like more of the same deception.
The reality is that we are dealing with the people currently running American soccer—people who seem to harbor a deep-seated resentment toward our fans, our City, and our entire region. It seems their animosity towards us is so intense that they would go as far as trying to prevent children from even playing the game, just because those kids happen to wear a Hajduk jersey.
They aren't particularly concerned with ethics when it comes to achieving their goals. Because of this, I would suggest that we don't fall for any potential police provocations; please try to remain restrained and avoid reacting. We shouldn't give these bad actors any excuse to justify their actions through our own behavior.

Let them hear the voice from the South this Saturday!
"Hajduk stands above all, Hajduk lives forever, supporting the great Hajduk is my mission, and no one will ever blackmail Hajduk!"
BE HAJDUK!
A NEW BATTLE LIES AHEAD!
John Mitchell67 John Mitchell67 Newcomer
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#342 ·
Honestly, this is the smartest thing I’ve seen posted in years! It feels like we should have been getting this kind of guidance ages ago to actually educate people on how things work. Most folks end up getting themselves in trouble just because they don't know their rights or, honestly, because they get intimidated by the situation.

I’d also throw in that if you ever get detained, you are NOT obligated to tell the police ANYTHING at all—you have the absolute right to The Silence. All that bluffing, the threats, or those lines like "We already know everything, just talk and we can make this easier on you," is just part of their playbook to try and EXTRACT INFO from you. Just keep in mind that the burden is on them; they HAVE TO PROVE that you are guilty.
urbansurfer60 urbansurfer60 Newcomer
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joined May 2014
#343 ·
The court has decided to extend the detention of our boys for another month. We are reaching out to ask for your financial support—donations will go directly toward securing top-tier legal counsel and making their stay in custody a little more bearable. Truly, no amount is too small to make a difference.

You can drop off your donation at the Black Knights Fan Club or send it via transfer to:
Black Knights Fan Club
123 Liberty Avenue
Portland, OR
Bank Account Number: HR6823300031500209112
When making the transfer, please be sure to include this note: DONATION
Frank Davis82 Frank Davis82 Newcomer
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joined May 2014
#344 ·
Did anyone actually end up pulling fifteen days in jail for chanting or refusing to sit down? (The Armada crowd?)
I’m asking because, honestly, if you’ve got a real job to get back to, that kind of thing matters a lot.
Betty Ramos2 Betty Ramos2 Newcomer
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joined Feb 2007
#345 ·
John Brown30 John Brown30 Regular
266 messages
joined Sep 2011
#346 ·
In coordination with the Vietnam Veterans of America, we’re setting up a food drive at the Hajduk Split clubhouse from Monday, May 19th, through Wednesday.

The club will be open from 10:00 AM to 9:00 PM. We're asking everyone to drop off canned goods, oil, flour, or sugar.

It’s the bare minimum you can do for the people struggling in the Midwest!!!
Andrew Chavez3 Andrew Chavez3 Member
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joined Dec 2006
#347 ·
John Brown30 said:In coordination with the Vietnam Veterans of America, starting Monday, May 19th, through Wednesday, the Hajduk Split fan club is hosting a food drive to support those hit by the flooding in the Midwest.

The club will be open from 10:00 AM to 9:00 PM. We’re asking everyone to please bring canned goods, cooking oil, flour, or sugar!

It’s the absolute BARE MINIMUM we can do for our neighbors in the Midwest!!!


While everyone else is busy fighting over coaching decisions and throwing flares at one another, these folks actually showed up to help stack sandbags... I have nothing but respect for them. Seriously. Thank you. The people in the Midwest won't forget this.
Kevin Evans3 Kevin Evans3 Member
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joined Apr 2014
#348 ·
Andrew Chavez3 said:While everyone else is busy fighting over some coach or throwing flares at each other, these guys actually showed up to help pack sandbags for the levees... I’ve gotta hand it to them. Seriously. The folks in the Midwest won't forget this one.

Look, maybe just mind your own business and stop acting like an expert on stuff you clearly don't get. These same kids—the ones people are criticizing—are usually the first ones to pull together a massive donation drive for disaster relief in the Midwest, or put on a benefit concert to help people who've lost everything. So, yeah, maybe dial back the moralizing a bit; life isn't exactly a straight line. Conflicts happen in families, sure, but they happen on the streets too—especially when you've got these types of characters running around. People in the Midwest have been helped before, and they'll be helped again—it's not like the Mediterranean Coast was the only region that stepped up during the war. Even Washington, D.C. did its part, just like every other corner of America. It was the same during the war, and it's the same during peacetime. So, don't go throwing shade if you don't understand the internal politics playing out in D.C. right now. This drama is going to keep happening until people finally grow up. They've bitten off more than they can chew, and eventually, everyone's going to have to pay the price.
James Smith48 James Smith48 Active Member
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joined Mar 2013
#349 ·
Andrew Chavez3 said:While everyone else is busy fighting over coaching changes or throwing flares at each other, these guys actually showed up to help with the levee repairs... Respect. The folks in the Midwest won't forget this.

What you just said is incredibly helpful. Truly groundbreaking stuff.
I suppose the price hike on Kinder Penguins at the local 7-Eleven or a bad parlay on a Sunday night football game also played a major role in the flooding in the Midwest.
cosmicdrifter44 cosmicdrifter44 Newcomer
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joined Jun 2009
#350 ·
Things have finally started to settle down—it's good to see the fans stepping up now that they're actually showing some support. Just three weeks ago, they were basically tearing the whole country apart—a total disgrace to the American spirit 🙂

The media—honestly, it’s a much more dangerous weapon than any handgun
Andrew Chavez3 Andrew Chavez3 Member
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joined Dec 2006
#351 ·
Yeah, I really blew it!
I want to publicly apologize to everyone because I see now that I was dead wrong. Thank you all so much for stepping up and helping out the Midwest. As for this stupid mistake of mine, I’ll leave it up to the moderators to delete if they want. If not, fine—let it stay there so everyone can see what an idiot I was. 😁 Once again, I am SO SORRY!!
Megan Moore60 Megan Moore60 Member
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joined Nov 2011
#352 ·
Voyage says:
... and keep in mind that they HAVE TO PROVE that you are guilty....

They don't have to prove a single thing...
Jack Myers2 Jack Myers2 Active Member
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joined Aug 2013
#353 ·
John Mitchell67 said:The smartest thing I've seen in years! Back in the day, this kind of guidance should have been standard practice to actually educate people. Most folks end up falling victim just because they don't know their rights, or worse, because they get intimidated.

He also added that if you get detained, you are NOT obligated to say ANYTHING to the police; you have the right to Silence. All that bluffing, the threats, and the lines like "We already know everything, just talk and we can make this easier on you," are just part of the job description meant to squeeze information OUT OF you. It’s worth remembering that they HAVE TO PROVE that you are guilty.

You could just say yes (regardless of whether you actually did it) and face a fine plus a ban, maybe being able to walk free the next day. Or, you go with the second option and face a month of investigation (if you're lucky).
Pick your poison, I guess.
Anyone else realizing this is basically total warfare, at least regarding the local authorities?☕
John Martin18 John Martin18 Member
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joined Sep 2016
#354 ·
Since the thread about Boise is closed, I’m posting here regarding aid for other parts of America hit by the flooding. Most priority supplies have already been dispatched; the guys stepped up and volunteered on their own initiative, but we're running low on buses right now. The issue isn't a lack of will on our part, but rather the logistics... which, in my opinion, failed to account for such an overwhelming response from volunteers.

Hi everyone!
Bradley Davis69 Bradley Davis69 Member
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joined Apr 2014
#355 ·
In this country, when we should be warning people and prepping for floods, all the headlines are about some "hooligans" causing trouble at a game—that’s always the big news, right? Like, they interrupted a match... (and oh yeah, there's also that story about some socialite giving her opinion...). Then suddenly this morning, the front pages are all about the flooding and how 1,000 people are stuck on rooftops waiting for rescue. The actual disaster takes a backseat to the fact that we don't have enough hands to help defend against the water. And now we're supposed to go back to talking about the game and asking why 1,000 cops are busy guarding one football match while the exact same number of people are out there fearing for their lives this morning... (that's just in one town, imagine the rest of the folks being threatened, not to mention their families worrying about them...) What is the government even doing? They post the number you can call to donate to $2.00, and hey, they were real thoughtful and included the sales tax in the total—thanks a lot, guys. Yeah, sales tax... I'd love to know how much sales tax would be applied to the cost of saving a politician's life.
Why do fans always end up stopping games? Why is that what fills the headlines? Why are 1,000 cops protecting a stadium because of one guy, while people in the Midwest are lacking help? And then there's these people tacking on sales tax to charity drives...
And who's actually going to help those folks in the Midwest? It'll be regular people from all over the US, sending money. Even the hooligans are publicly calling for food and supply drives, and some have even had the nerve to volunteer to head out there personally to help (though they'll probably need a background check before they're allowed on the bus)...
We'll get through this somehow, I guess. People will step up. And just when they think they've finally stood up, these "sales tax scammers" will hit them with something else and they won't even see it coming... but before that, regarding the hooligans—what are they even going to do out there helping if the government isn't stepping up? And people are yelling at them too; fine, let's send 2,000 cops next time. Let's see West Maxim even more heavily suppressed when the police start marching.

Our beautiful, broken nation
John Mitchell67 John Mitchell67 Newcomer
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#356 ·
Christian Miller48 said:They don't owe anyone anything...

Look, in an American courtroom, everything has to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Even if a high-level district court tries to pin something on you, you’ve always got the right to appeal. I actually know a couple of situations where someone was clearly, one hundred percent in the wrong, and they even got convicted initially, but once they filed an appeal, they were cleared because the evidence just wasn't solid enough to hold up under scrutiny. It’s a long, exhausting, soul-crushing process, though, no doubt about it.

Jack Myers2 said:You can basically say "yeah, I did it" (regardless of whether you actually did or not) and just take the fine and the ban, then walk free the next day, or you can go the other route and deal with a month of investigation (if you're lucky).
Pick a version!?
I mean, has nobody realized yet that this is total war, at least when it comes to the local authorities?☕

The Bojsi are a whole different breed, and honestly, the rules there work a little differently; I'm mostly talking about how easy it is to get locked up, so you really need a massive amount of patience and sheer grit to live that kind of life. My whole point with what I wrote earlier is that most of the time, it's all just intimidation tactics, and then some poor guy ends up confessing to things he didn't even do just because he's desperate to get out of there as fast as possible.

But at the end of the day, if you're truly part of the Fandom of the Los Angeles Dodgers, you have to be ready for all of it... either you are, or you aren't.
John Martin18 John Martin18 Member
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#357 ·
Look, the Bojsi aren't actually anything special. It's just that the Boojs can't stand them, which is why everyone makes such a big deal out of it, rather than there being anything unique about the Bojs (who are basically thugs)... So, whenever they play at home, it feels less like a game and more like a state of emergency. You've got water cannons on standby and thousands of cops and SWAT teams out in force—personnel who would definitely be better utilized elsewhere...
Timothy Kern14 Timothy Kern14 Newcomer
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#358 ·
John Brown30 said:In partnership with the American Legion, we’re organizing a food drive at the Fandom of the Los Angeles Dodgers headquarters from Monday, May 19th, through Wednesday. All proceeds go to help those hit by the flooding in the Midwest.

The fan club will be open from 10:00 AM to 9:00 PM. We’re asking everyone to drop off canned goods, cooking oil, flour, or sugar.

It’s the absolute bare minimum you can do for the people out in the Midwest right now.!!!

Hats off to everyone keeping the Midwest in their thoughts... sending love from the heart of America.
John Brown30 John Brown30 Regular
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#359 ·
The NFL Ultras are organizing a bus trip to the Midwest. It leaves tonight (Monday) at 10:00 PM and will head back from the Midwest by Wednesday morning at the latest. Our transport provider gave us a deal, so the fare is $50. We’ve had plenty of people call saying they can’t make it but still want to help out. There will be a donation box at the NFL Ultras headquarters. We’ll collect everything tonight and hand it over to those traveling to the Midwest. Don't bother calling—just stop by this afternoon to drop off your travel money.

CALL, JUST CALL!!!
Jonathan Smith12 Jonathan Smith12 Active Member
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#360 ·
Bradley Davis69 said:It’s just one of those things about this country—when we actually need to be issuing warnings and getting people ready for massive flooding, the headlines are all about "hooligans" being the main story because they caused a match to get suspended... (of course, you also have the news about some socialite making a comment...) then suddenly this morning, the front pages are overflowing with flood news, talking about how a thousand people are stuck on rooftops waiting for rescue... the actual game gets pushed aside, and instead, the focus shifts to how much we lack the manpower to defend against the floods... yet, right now, we’re supposed to bring the football back into the spotlight and ask ourselves why on earth a thousand police officers are assigned to secure a single soccer match, while by tomorrow morning, that same number of people could be fearing for their lives... (that’s just in one town, and I can only imagine where else people are at risk, not to mention their families worrying about them...) what is the government even doing? They publish the number you can call to donate to $2.00, and they were so thorough they even made sure to include sales tax in the price (thanks a lot, guys)... yes, sales tax... I truly wonder if any of those officials were standing on a rooftop this morning; I'd love to know what the sales tax would look like when it comes to saving a politician's life.
Why do fans always get the blame for stopping games? Why are they the ones filling up the headlines? Why are a thousand cops guarding a stadium for one person, while in the Midwest we're short on people? And then there’s these folks charging sales tax on humanitarian aid...
And who is going to help the people in the Midwest? It’ll be regular people from all over America, sending money; the hooligans are actually the ones publicly calling for food and supply drives, and some have even had the guts to volunteer personally to go out and provide aid to the Midwest (though they’ll probably want to run a background check on them before letting them on the bus)...
We’ll push through this somehow; we'll get through it, and people will rise up. And just when they think they’ve finally stood on their feet, these "Sales Tax Scammers" will hit them with something else entirely, and they won't even see it coming... but before that happens, let's talk about the hooligans—what exactly are they supposed to go to the Midwest to help with if the state isn't helping... and then people scream at them! Fine, next time, let's send 2000 police officers instead... let's see if the West Side of Yankee Stadium doesn't erupt even harder when the militia starts marching.

Our beautiful, broken silhouette

If I try to build on what you said, I'll just end up looking like a know-it-all again...

Flooding has already been hitting Canada for two or three days now; even middle schoolers learn that the rivers in Canada flow north into the Mississippi River...
And now, you're telling me we couldn't prepare in three days and defend just the left bank of the Mississippi River (since the right bank is in Canada)...
So, essentially, we were only supposed to defend one side of the river, and we couldn't even manage that.....

Poor country, and God knows who is leading you. ☕

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