steelmaker83 said:lol, maybe even.
Look, there's a massive difference between saying Mark Webber is on the same level as Fernando Alonso versus calling Alonso a straight-up fraud. Just because you're being subtle with your trolling doesn't mean you aren't trolling.
Since when did stating facts become trolling? 😵
As far as I recall, I said Mark Webber was clearly better in that Minardi 2002 than Fernando Alonso was in 2001. I also mentioned that Webber was superior back in Formula 3000 during the 2000 season.
Those are just the facts. You can roll your eyes all you want, but they're still true. 😉
It’s one thing if Mark Webber pulls a better qualifying lap, but Fernando Alonso is the one actually killing it during the race we all tune in to watch. That's why drivers like him always seem like the absolute best to everyone.
And honestly, Alonso just got lucky landing that Renault seat and walking away with two titles.
It doesn't mean Mark Webber was a total hack like some people love to claim. It just means he never fully tapped into his potential because he wasn't in the right place at the right time. And even when he finally was, he didn't have the luck of being paired with that untouchable, unbeatable number one driver.
Man, after what he pulled off in Melbourne, Mark Webber ended up jumping over to Williams. He joined a squad of former world champions—a serious powerhouse back then that was consistently fighting for titles, even snagging runner-up spots in 2002, 2003, and 2004. By the time he actually showed up there in '04, they were only trailing the runners-up by a tiny margin.😉
After everything he pulled off at Indianapolis, Alonso jumped ship to Renault. Up until that point, they hadn't won anything significant—they were just another mid-field team struggling to stay relevant.
You could make a very similar comparison between Fernando Alonso and Sebastian Vettel.
Both of them jumped ship to teams that were struggling to find any real footing before they arrived. We're talking about mid-fielders that actually had some decent potential under the hood, and then—boom—look at those ridiculous results. Just incredible.
Honestly, they could have all just ended up happy at McLaren like Sergio Perez did, and it would've been nothing more than a bunch of bananas.
People were actually speculating about Sebastian Vettel moving to Ferrari or McLaren, but Red Bull Racing blocked that transition from STR. Then, when he went out and said, "I don't think they demoted me with this decision," the internet just absolutely tore him apart. Everyone was basically like, "Oh, they definitely did." 🤣And honestly, they aren't even close. 😁
In my book, Mark Webber wasn't some underdog. He was right up there at the top tier with guys like Robert Kubica, Nico Hulkenberg, Juan Pablo Montoya, Nico Rosberg, and even Felipe Massa (back before the Ferrari era). Some of them just didn't get lucky enough to grab those massive wins—some probably never will—and who knows, maybe some of them actually will one day.
Maybe they didn't show quite as much as the top-tier crew, but they certainly weren't that far behind them either. Honestly, the big question is what could have happened if they’d just had better opportunities and a bit more luck throughout their careers.
Lewis Hamilton is a perfect example of that. He's an incredible driver, period. But if you actually sit down and judge him based on his titles alone, he's basically sitting right there in the same tier as Jenson Button.
Look, Lewis Hamilton still has time. He finally landed in a seat with a solid crew and a car that actually works, so he probably won't be stuck with just one podium finish.
Honestly, if the Ferrari pit crew had even a tiny bit more coordination, they could've walked away with the title today.😉
