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Why is there so much trolling allowed here?

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Participants Jessica Smith11Charles Fox10rowdytiger13Ryan Miller4
Jessica Smith11 Jessica Smith11 NewcomerOP
3 messages
joined Oct 2013
#1 ·
I don't really get why one specific person is being allowed to troll this much on the Ukraine thread. When they finally get caught, maybe they'll face some consequences, but right now they just reply to every single post with these one-sentence snarky remarks. It's clearly not about having an actual opinion or wanting a discussion; it's just pure trolling.
The thread is here:
And I think everyone has noticed the trolling:

If this isn't trolling, then I guess I don't know what actually is. This isn't even the first time they've done this on this topic, either. These posts are just a small sample from one single outburst.
They type so fast that I can't even keep up enough to report everything. ☕
Charles Fox10 Charles Fox10 Regular
352 messages
joined Mar 2009
#2 ·
You didn't even sign up, and there's plenty to talk about here.
To have the nerve to drop a comment like that alongside all these one-sentence trolls on this thread...
It’s honestly embarrassing that you’re even allowed to clutter this forum with such garbage.


And don't think I forgot your trolling from last night. You’re out here claiming people are lying and spreading falsehoods, demanding we "prove" things to you... as if everyone posting in the Ukraine thread is somehow an elite intelligence officer with a front-row seat to every global conspiracy.
Once again, you're pushing the lie that Victoria Nuland said $5 billion was spent on a coup.

The Ukraine thread is being moderated fairly. We’re trying to keep the discussion moving with minimal intervention, because over-policing a topic this heated usually just backfires.
Jessica Smith11 Jessica Smith11 NewcomerOP
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joined Oct 2013
#3 ·
Charles Fox10 said:You didn't even report yourself, and there's plenty of stuff to report here.

I guess I don't see how my trolling has anything to do with what I'm bringing up right now.
Go ahead and hand me a ban for my trolling if you want, but I'm asking for action on what I'm actually reporting here, since you haven't addressed a single word of it.

And as for calling someone out for lying—well, I suppose I'll always do that when someone claims a specific person with a full name said something but fails to provide any actual proof. If you all want to label that as trolling, fine. Issue the ban, but I'm not backing down. 🙂
Charles Fox10 Charles Fox10 Regular
352 messages
joined Mar 2009
#4 ·
I already told you our approach is to moderate with minimal interference to allow for high-quality debate. That’s my only answer. Whether or not someone gets banned is on us, not you.

Do you honestly believe any US official is going to go on record and admit that the events in Ukraine were funded by the USA to the tune of billions?

And then, anyone who tries to interpret those leaked phone calls or recorded conversations will just be branded a liar and accused of spreading misinformation. No one will actually engage with the substance of the information, because that would defeat the purpose of the debate.

Take it as friendly advice: don't bother.

If the administration has something legitimate to say, fine. Otherwise, I'm done with this.
Jessica Smith11 Jessica Smith11 NewcomerOP
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joined Oct 2013
#5 ·
Charles Fox10 said:I already told you quite clearly that we moderate this thread just enough to let a decent discussion happen with minimal interference. That is the only answer you are getting from me. As for deciding when someone gets a warning or a ban, that’s our call, not yours.

It is up to us users to complain about this section of the forum, not about you, and I have every right to lodge a complaint. If a topic is truly volatile, then surely you wouldn't allow those purely provocative posts from the person I am complaining about. Anyone reading through this massive pile of one-sentence replies posted every few minutes can probably figure out exactly what the purpose of those posts is.

Charles Fox10 said:Do you honestly believe any US official is going to publicly admit they funded the events in Ukraine with X amount of USD??

So, I suppose one certainly cannot claim that a specific person said a specific thing, right?
What exactly did I do wrong by repeatedly accusing someone of lying if that is how things are stated?

Charles Fox10 said:And then you will turn around and label everyone who interprets two or three leaked phone recordings as liars and accuse them of spreading falsehoods, without anyone even being able to engage you in an actual debate regarding the quality of that information, because that is the whole point of a discussion.
I'm giving you some friendly advice: don't do that.
If the administration has something to say, fine, but as far as I'm concerned, this is over.

I have never labeled anyone's conclusions as lies based on certain information. But maybe I will in the future if Mark Markovic decides, based on his data, that Peter Perry actually said something was a duck.
If you can't see the difference there, I guess that's your problem, and it has absolutely nothing to do with the trolling I reported.

By the way, you might as well just shut down this section of the forum if you're going to be the one deciding what we are even allowed to complain about. 🤣
rowdytiger13 rowdytiger13 Regular
378 messages
joined Oct 2018
#6 ·
Since I’m actually moderating this thread myself, I find myself agreeing with Charles Fox10 regarding how things are being handled here.
This topic is a powder keg, and trying any other approach to moderation would just end up being counterproductive for both the discussion and the people involved.
That’s just my take on it...
Jessica Smith11 Jessica Smith11 NewcomerOP
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joined Oct 2013
#7 ·
rowdytiger13 said:Since I moderate that thread myself, I actually agree with Charles Fox10 regarding how things are being handled there.
The topic is pretty volatile, so I think changing the moderation style would just be counterproductive for both the discussion and the people involved.
That's just my take on it, I guess...

Then please, just explain to me how the posts I mentioned in this thread fit into that "volatile" logic? That same individual has stormed in multiple times with 20 or 30 provocative comments, all designed solely to stir the pot.

By the way, just so nobody thinks people aren't getting sanctioned in that thread—I personally have five warnings! All from Charles Fox10. 🙂
rowdytiger13 rowdytiger13 Regular
378 messages
joined Oct 2018
#8 ·
I get my fair share of criticism, but even I can see this one isn't worth the hassle.
Now we just have to deal with the bureaucracy...
Ryan Miller4 Ryan Miller4 Newcomer
5 messages
joined Apr 2014
#9 ·
rowdytiger13 said:I hand out bans myself sometimes, but even I can see this particular case doesn't warrant one.
Now, let's see how the admins handle it...

Kudos to you. I reported a post yesterday and you jumped on it immediately with a ban. You guys are doing a solid job.👍
Jessica Smith11 Jessica Smith11 NewcomerOP
3 messages
joined Oct 2013
#10 ·
rowdytiger13 said:Look, I get getting banned sometimes, but I personally looked at this situation and decided it didn't warrant a ban.
Now we just wait on the admins to weigh in...

Watching the debate unfolding right now in the thread about Ukraine, I honestly think your call was wrong. 🙂

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