Die-hard Ultras / Hardcore Supporters

Rest in peace😢

long live that grit and hustle of yours

It’s a relief someone finally spoke up, because while the formalities might not matter much, this corrupt system and its broken institutions have absolutely crushed him. He’s really just one more soul caught in the same cycle that has left so many others buried deep beneath the soil.

The way they treat us is inexcusable; honestly, half the country ought to be up in arms, but they know they can get away with it because most people are simply too indifferent to care.

A final farewell to one of the greatest NFL Ultras to ever live. An idealist, an artist, a dreamer, a revolutionary, a true cosmopolitan, an American, and a fighter against injustice. A translator and a friend to us all. 🙂

http://oi39.tinypic.com/2mwvxhx.jpg
(Super Bowl XXXV)

Sekul, Home, Arkan, Chip, Ljubić, Villa... we are all a little less without him.

The "Emanuel Vidović 1999" crew

Joshua Scott said:Is it true he took his own life? Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if the whole thing was staged or if he was actually murdered... from what I heard this morning, everyone was talking about suicide.

You aren't exactly the sharpest tool in the shed...

Taylor Hughes61 said:Sending one last salute to one of the greatest Superfans of all time—an idealist, an artist, a dreamer, a revolutionary, a true cosmopolitan, an American, a fighter against injustice, a translator, and a friend... 🙂

http://oi39.tinypic.com/2mwvxhx.jpg
(Super Bowl XXXV)

Unknown, Home, Arkan, Chip, Ljubić, Villa... there's just a void where they used to be...

The "Emanuel Vidović 1999" crew

We used to run those stands together too...

Yeah. He actually threw that flare right at Freddie's hooligans in our section..

Rest in peace.

http://www.nytimes.com/sports/baseball/tickets-for-the-big-game.html
If you're looking to snag seats in the West Stand, you should know that access is strictly reserved for New York Yankees members—you’ll need to show up with a valid membership card in hand to get through. However, there is a bit of a loophole for the younger crowd; kids under the age of 15 aren't required to hold a membership just to secure a ticket for that section.

steelstag50 said:http://newyorkyankees.com/news/updates-for-the-derby.html
Tickets for the West Stand can only be purchased by New York Yankees members upon presenting a valid membership card. This does not apply to children under 15, who don't need to be club members to buy a ticket for the West Stand.

Let me repeat myself here too:

Is anyone actually thinking about how if this becomes the standard, we won't even need vouchers?
Besides, isn't the info they ask for on the vouchers the exact same stuff they demand at the ticket window anyway?

Are we really going to celebrate "beating the system" this Sunday just because we bypassed the vouchers and bought tickets at the box office using our IDs?

What did we actually gain from that? Absolutely nothing. We're still stuck right inside the system...

Paul, rest in peace!

I think it's pretty obvious why they're doing this... it’s all just a setup so the Dodgers fans can only buy tickets for the east stands. They want to stage some fake chaos so they have an excuse to clear out the NFL Ultras and throw them in holding cells... I guess it's up to us to show them we aren't just a bunch of idiots...

It wouldn't even surprise me if the casual fans started chanting stuff like "crush the hooligans" or "screw the city"...

Paul, a legend of the NFL Ultras in the 21st century, rests in peace.

wearyraven25 said:Let me repeat myself here:

Is anyone actually thinking about how if this becomes the norm, we won't even need vouchers?
I mean, with these vouchers, they're just fishing for the same damn data you give up at the ticket window anyway, right?

Are we really gonna celebrate "beating the system" this Sunday by bypassing the vouchers and just buying tickets at the booth by showing our IDs?

What did we actually achieve? Nothing. We're still stuck in the system.

We're in the system regardless. Between season tickets for Home games, being logged everywhere else, and every single person who goes to more than a couple away games—we're tracked. Hell, I got logged recently in San Diego and that wasn't even an away game! And don't even get me started on the logging at the Harbor... not to mention those A and B lists that apparently last forever...

To me, fighting against this whole voucher craze is more about the group's obligation to stick it to the mafia than it is JUST about avoiding being logged. You have to hand over your info anyway. I mean, for the penultimate game at Dodger Stadium, you practically have to show your ID. Sure, you might slip through easier one time or another, but most people will end up leaving their data behind eventually—whether it’s at a convenience store, the entrance, the Harbor, near a hospital, out on the highway, or at some local bar...
These four voucher releases are going to cause a massive uproar, and then what? We'll just be handing our names over at the ticket windows anyway, dammit.😁

By the way, I'm reading that starting next year, personalized tickets will be mandatory for licensing at every single stadium...

boldhound8 said:We’re fully baked into the system, aren't we? Between the season tickets at Home and all those check-ins while traveling—I mean, anyone going on more than three away trips is basically already on their radar. It hit me recently during a trip to San Diego, which barely even counts as an away game, let alone those check-ins down at the Harbor... and don't even get me started on those A and B lists that apparently carry enough weight to last a lifetime...

To my mind, this fight against turning us into mere voucher-holders is less about resisting the data collection itself and more about the group's obligation to defy the mafia running the show. I mean, you have to hand over your info anyway; during the penultimate night at Dodger Stadium, they were practically demanding ID. Sure, you might find a way to slip through here or there, maybe sneak in through some side entrance, but most people will end up leaving their trail regardless—whether it’s at a newsstand, the main gate, near the Harbor, by the hospital, out on Maximilians Way, or just grabbing a drink at a local cafe...
The rumor is that starting next year, personalized tickets will become a mandatory licensing requirement across every single stadium...

And that’s the crux of it... they essentially know our names and shoe sizes by heart now, so this whole thing is really just about defiance, pure spite, and standing our ground against the machine....

When I say being part of the system, I don't mean just showing up on their radar, I mean actually playing by their damn rules...
There’s absolutely no difference between using a voucher or just paying at the register with an ID.

Is there even an alternative?🤷

Anthony Barrett37 said:I think it's obvious why they're pulling this... it's a setup so fans can only buy tickets for the east stands, then they can stage some "unrest" just to sweep the Ultras off the terraces and throw them in holding cells... now we just have to prove we aren't total idiots...

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if the casual fans start chanting stuff like "get out of here" or "screw this city" just to play along...

And why else would they make the west stands exclusive to club members? They want us crammed into the east section to bait us into fighting each other or clashing with the cops, giving them an excuse to crack down on both sides at once.

We gotta be smarter than these clowns.

I mean, where is this country headed? Half of our brightest young minds have packed up and left for good over the last decade, and then you see people with so much courage and heart taking their own lives (like Busic and now Čabo)... Oh, America 😢

Rest in peace

boldhound8 said:An alternative?🤷

Wait, hold up—what’s even the difference between showing your ID at the gate when you're using a ticket versus just handing over a voucher???🤷🤷...either we're in this mess or we aren't...

feralwolf16 said:Wait, hold on—what's actually the difference between showing an ID at the entrance when you're buying a ticket versus using a voucher...?🤷🤷It’s all or nothing—either we stand our ground, or we don't...

It’s all about reaching an agreement—but honestly, it feels like we aren't even trying to find common ground anymore... if that's even possible...

Look, I’m not trying to act like a genius here, I’m just asking questions.
I already told you, I don't see any real difference between them, besides how they look on the surface...