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2013 Monaco Grand Prix

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Participants darkmarlin16Tyler Bennett5swiftstag66Nathan Jones98stormybadger8steelmaker83Olivia Martin12Amanda KellyBrian Campbell36silvergull10Taylor Watson15neonfox65Susan Alvarez94redheron12William Bennett53Jessica Ramos12Frank Collins85Ashley Ramirez4Raymond Anderson4graniteharbor502Jason Campbell70Alex Fowler5Michael Jackson10Jerry Rogers6 …
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
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#61 ·
Roger Wright94 said:No, you're dead wrong. TBF is right. I shouldn't have jumped in.

If Mercedes fixed even half of their rear tire wear issues, they'd be on the podium every single time.
If they actually sorted it out, the championship would be theirs.

Sure, there's a gap in the points right now, but we've only finished a quarter of the season.
There's plenty of racing left. Don't forget they’ve got two fast, powerhouse drivers. And they're already top-tier in qualifying.

Exactly.☕

And since Rosberg is clearly in better shape, manages his tires way better than Hamilton, and is even faster in qualifying... there isn't much to debate.
That massive 67-point deficit to Rosberg? Totally recoverable. Even if Vettel stays glued to the podium behind him—basically constant 1-2 finishes—that's ten races right there. And that's assuming Hamilton doesn't snatch a win from Vettel every now and then.

It would be pretty wild if the title fight boils down to just a few points between Rosberg and Vettel... and then Rosberg loses it by a single point.😍
Imagine if he ends up losing the whole thing just because Ros told him not to overtake Hamilton.😬🤣
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
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#62 ·
Brian Campbell36 said:🤦

It’s not Pirelli's fault if Bernie demanded those specific tires... even Bernie admitted it himself at some point...

So what kind of rubber are they prepping for 2014? 🤷

Well, based on what Bernie actually said, that isn't quite right...
Bernie claimed he wanted tires capable of lasting 50% of the race (halfway through, obviously) and no more than that...
Pirelli tires at best last about 33% of the race, and in some cases, they barely hit 25%... and that’s definitely not what Bernie allegedly* asked for.😳

*I'm assuming the old man is lying about his "size" and that Pirelli was just following his orders... but from the outside looking in, Pirelli looks absolutely pathetic...

Also, that press conference was pretty interesting.😁
Paul made it crystal clear that his directors are pissed because the tires are falling apart during races, and it's making our little company look terrible.😁
Susan Alvarez94 Susan Alvarez94 Member
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#63 ·
Roger Wright94 said:No, you are sorely mistaken. To be fair, he has a point. I should have stayed out of this.

If Mercedes could resolve even a fraction of their rear tire degradation issues, they would be appearing on the podium immediately.
If they were able to solve it more comprehensively, the championship would be practically secured.

While there is currently a gap in the points standings, we have only completed a quarter of the season. There is still a vast amount of racing left to be done. One must not forget that they possess two drivers who are both fast and highly capable. Furthermore, when it comes to single-lap pace, they are already at the top.

Indeed, they simply need to align their race pace with their tire wear. However, that is clearly no easy task for them, otherwise, they would have accomplished it by now.
Brian Campbell36 Brian Campbell36 Active Member
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#64 ·
Douglas Adams15 said:Exactly; they just need to align their race pace with their tire degradation. But then again, that isn't exactly a simple feat for them, because if it were, they would have mastered it by now.

They have been destroying their tires for two full seasons now...
I couldn't agree more—if they actually employed "real engineers" capable of solving this overheating issue, they wouldn't be reduced to mere background actors in the race after only ten laps.
Michael Jackson10 Michael Jackson10 Active Member
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#65 ·
Roger Wright94 said:Nah, you're totally wrong. TBF is right here. I should've just stayed out of it.

If Mercedes could just fix even a tiny part of that rear tire wear issue, they'd be popping up on the podium instantly.
If they actually nail the fix? Championship in the bag.

Sure, there's a gap in points right now, but we've only finished a quarter of the season. There's still a massive amount of racing left. Don't forget, they've got two fast, powerhouse drivers. And when it comes to single laps, they're already at the top.

Right, because if they just fixed *part* of the problem... then once they fix the *whole* thing... and if the stars happen to align... everyone else will just sit around complaining while Merc cruises to victory? 🥳

Those hypothetical scenarios where you look at one team's potential progress in a vacuum? They don't fly on this forum either.

stormybadger8 said:Well, based on what Bernie said, that's not even accurate...
Bernie claimed he asked for tires that would last 50% of the race (halfway through, right?) and no longer than that...
At best, Pirelli tires hold up for 33% (one third) of the race, and sometimes they barely hit 25% (one quarter)...which is definitely not what Bernie allegedly* asked 😳for.

*I'm assuming the old man is lying about how long and wide things were, and that Pirelli did exactly what he told them to... but from the outside, Pirelli looks absolutely terrible...

Besides, that press conference was pretty interesting.😁
Paul made it crystal clear that the directors are pissed off because the tires are falling apart during races, and it's looking extremely bad for our little company's image.😁

Pirelli has basically flushed their entire marketing advantage of being the exclusive Formula 1 tire supplier down the drain, and then some. Even though everyone knows everything is being done by dictate, the damage from people mocking their logo is getting more expensive by the day.

I'd buy it if the tire sets were programmed for 50% of the race, allowing teams that can pull off a mandatory stop to cruise through the rest of the track while everyone else struggles in the pits and tries to make up ground via tactical driving.

But this is way too much: after about 10 laps of careful driving, the tire delaminates so badly that the entire tread peels off in huge chunks, leaving the car running on "air balloons" as you limp toward the pits.🤦
What's next: a trip to the past where the driver hops out with a mechanic, a jack, a wrench, and a set of tigar Pirot tires to swap them out wherever they blow?

These are supposed to be races for the fastest drivers in the best cars, but this setup has completely killed aggressive driving. You go all out at the start, the tires die, and then the rest of the race is just an engineer driving via telemetry—calculating the cheapest pit window, exit timing, star alignments, and zodiac signs. Every time a driver tries to overtake, they have to ask the pit wall if they're even allowed to race that car anymore... where's the actual racing in that?
It’s basically turned into a full-blown war of team strategies at this point. Honestly, they could have just run a simulation in some strategy game and played the recording for us... or maybe just strap some electric scooters to the cars? Since they aren't allowed to even look at the brakes anyway, what else do they have to lose?

Complete decadence. We’re watching the twilight of Formula 1. It feels like the leaders aren't necessarily the best drivers anymore, just the ones who manage to babysit their tires and save more sets....
Tyler Bennett5 Tyler Bennett5 Active Member
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#66 ·
As they say, just another routine day at the office for Massa.
Brian Campbell36 Brian Campbell36 Active Member
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#67 ·
Tyler Bennett5 said:One might say it’s just business as usual for Massa.

Massa 🙂

Do they actually intend to have the car race-ready by 2:00 PM?

Vettel and Rosberg are waiting for a private message... the gap at Ferrari is unacceptable; being 0.6 seconds behind Vettel is simply too much.

If they actually managed to execute their Friday program correctly this time, then this current situation shouldn't even be happening.🤣
darkmarlin16 darkmarlin16 VeteranOP
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#68 ·
Something went seriously sideways on Felipe's Ferrari.
darkmarlin16 darkmarlin16 VeteranOP
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#69 ·
Tyler Bennett5 said:I mean, just classic Massa. Totally predictable at this point.

And let me tell you, there is absolutely zero chance this was his fault.
Brian Campbell36 Brian Campbell36 Active Member
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#70 ·
And here we have Sutil, stuck behind the barrier once again.
Tyler Bennett5 Tyler Bennett5 Active Member
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#71 ·
Brian Campbell36 said:Now we've got Sutil stuck in the barriers too.

He's taking a bit of a hit on the artistic impression scores.
Jason Campbell70 Jason Campbell70 Veteran
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#72 ·
Jason Campbell70 said:Grosjean, as usual. 🙂


🙂
Brian Campbell36 Brian Campbell36 Active Member
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#73 ·
What on earth was Grosjean thinking there? He nearly took out Hamilton just as he was exiting the pit lane. I honestly can't wrap my head around why he felt the need to cross that yellow line in the first place. 🤷
Jason Campbell70 Jason Campbell70 Veteran
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#74 ·
First he lunges at Hamilton coming out of the pits, then he glances in the rearview mirror and loses the rear end.

What an idiot. 🙏
Jerry Rogers6 Jerry Rogers6 Active Member
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#75 ·
Grosjean is absolutely out of it—there’s just nothing left to say about him here 🤷🤣

ps. At first, I thought I might have been a bit too aggressive with my predictions by calling so many DNFs, but honestly? They proved me right—I have to give them that 🙏🤣

You guys better watch out ☕☕
Raymond Anderson4 Raymond Anderson4 Regular
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#76 ·
They were told they could cross the yellow line during qualifying laps this weekend.
Ferrari really needs to go all-in on the race strategy.
The lower temperatures just aren't working for them at all.
They’ll need to burn through at least three laps just to get those tires up to the right temperature. With the way the rubber is behaving, there's no way they're fighting for first place—honestly, even grabbing second feels like a stretch.
I'm looking at Leclerc and Vettel in the top three; any other scenario seems pretty unlikely to me.
Brian Campbell36 Brian Campbell36 Active Member
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#77 ·
Raymond Anderson4 said:They were told before the weekend started that they could cross the yellow line during a flying lap,
tako
. Ferrari needs to go all-in on the race strategy.
These lower temperatures simply aren't working for them.
They would need to run at least three laps just to bring the tires up to the optimal operating temperature, and even then, there is no way those tires can sustain a pace for first place—honestly, I’d be lucky if they could fight for second.

Leclerc and Vettel in the top three is the only realistic outcome; any other scenario seems highly improbable to me.

It looks that way to me as well... Ferrari performs well one race, only to suffer a total disaster the next... that isn't how you win championships.

I would venture to say qualifying is looking secure for Nica, Vettel, and Hamilton... they should occupy that top three spots.

Alonso is already +0.9 on the softs... those are massive gaps considering how much of a junk heap the car was last season... we are seeing a drastic drop in performance during flying laps compared to previous races.

Nista... Alonso will likely be thrilled just to walk away with a top five finish by the end of the race.
Jason Campbell70 Jason Campbell70 Veteran
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#78 ·
I wouldn't write off Fernando Alonso just yet.
If you take Nico Rosberg out of the equation, Alonso is right at the top.
Either leading the pack, or maybe just a tenth or two behind.

Even during that last Formula 1 session.

Honestly, I think tomorrow matters less about those few tenths and more about how someone handles a Safety Car.
With this much junk on the track during the Formula 1 sessions, all signs point to Christian Horner being a very frequent sight on our screens tomorrow.
Brian Campbell36 Brian Campbell36 Active Member
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#79 ·
Jason Campbell70 said:I wouldn't write off Fernando Alonso just yet.
If we set Nico Rosberg aside, Alonso is right there at the very top.
He’s either leading, or perhaps trailing by a mere tenth or two.

Even looking at the results from the final Formula 1 session.

He's lagging by nearly a full second behind the leader... what kind of "tenths" are you talking about? This is almost an entire second gap. 🤷

And if you're hoping for an Alonso victory, I suspect it will be either Sebastian Vettel or Rosberg taking the win tomorrow; Ferrari simply doesn't possess that level of raw pace... they'll likely have to dip below the 1:14:00 mark just to stay competitive.☕

Red Bull has actually surprised me quite pleasantly; after those initial sessions, it seems Sebastian Vettel finally found a solid setup during Formula 1.☕
Jason Campbell70 Jason Campbell70 Veteran
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#80 ·
Brian Campbell36 said:He’s trailing by nearly a full second... what kind of "tenths" are we talking about here? That's almost a whole second. 🤷


Jason Campbell70 said:If we take Nico Rosberg out of the equation...

Let's look at the final Formula 1 session:
1. Nico Rosberg
2. Romain Grosjean +0.661
3. Sebastian Vettel +0.883
4. Fernando Alonso +0.908
5. Lewis Hamilton +0.933

Remove Rosberg from the list, and everyone else is right on their heels.
So, I wouldn't write off Fernando Alonso based on those nine tenths.

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