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Unacceptable moderator behavior from El Niño!

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Ashley Martin2 Ashley Martin2 NewcomerOP
5 messages
joined Aug 2015
#1 ·
So, here’s the deal. This moderator decided to throw a red card at me after launching a blatant ad hominem attack on my character. I only responded because I was provoked by that brutal personal jab, and honestly, I stayed right on topic until then. I wasn't even deviating from the PDF discussion until they went low. I’m asking to have this penalty overturned.

Here’s the post that got me attacked by shadoworca3 just because I brought up the free energy crowd:

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Ashley Martin2 said:Spot on. Only thing is, there are already plenty of high-quality solutions out there for heating and hot water that don't rely on electricity at all.

The mindset here is pretty much the same as the administration in D.C.—especially among the mods. As soon as someone starts thinking outside the box or speaks up a little too loudly, they either get wiped out or banned. If that doesn't work, the rest of the crowd just tunes them out entirely, even when they're talking about alternative theories. It's the same old story.

I actually see things completely differently. When times get tough and everyone feels backed into a corner, that’s exactly when people start getting creative. You start breaking old taboos. Things that seemed totally impossible just yesterday suddenly become our new reality. That’s why I’m convinced we’re going to see a massive shift in energy on a global scale. Maybe nobody from around here will be at the center of it—I mean, Tesla was a once-in-a-generation kind of genius—but those changes are eventually going to hit home for all of us.
I was watching this show just yesterday—or maybe it was the day before—about those research labs popping up all over American cities. It’s wild. You've got regular citizens and even kids running incredible experiments, sometimes even messing around at the genetic level. Honestly, YouTube is absolutely flooded with these deep-dive research videos. The free energy community has never been more active, and frankly, it’s only a matter of time before someone actually hits the jackpot and delivers real results.
It’d be a hell of a lot better if our institutions actually incentivized creative thinking instead of dumping everything into this expensive version of "democracy" we're stuck with. We spent like $12 million—or whatever that total was—just on the elections for the European Parliament. With that kind of cash, we could have fully outfitted several university or high school research labs. Real progress would have been worth more than just casting ballots.

This part is what finally broke him, and honestly, his reaction says it all:

WTF. You can't seriously tell me you're going to go to MIT and start arguing against the brainless drool of an uneducated public that's obsessed with paranoid conspiracy theories.
Don't you feel any shame? You're just sitting there trashing the hard work and pure dedication of scientists and engineers all over the world. Not to mention the people on this forum who are actually trying to make something happen and improve life for everyone. It’s pathetic.
Or maybe you're just numb to all that stuff. Honestly. The only thing that actually gets you going is this massive ego trip where you convince yourself you're some kind of genius, while blaming everyone else because you couldn't actually pull off anything with all that "potential" you keep bragging about.

Look, let me be blunt: any "free energy" nonsense that relies on breaking the fundamental laws of physics—especially when you mix in those wild conspiracy theories—has absolutely no business being on MIT. Neither do the people peddling it.

So, here’s my response to that blatant, mindless insult aimed at my insignificance—the one that earned me a red flag:
Ashley Martin2
Look, man, just chill out. You’re foaming at the mouth like Joe Biden arguing with Tulsi Gabbard just because I brought up free energy. You're totally dismissing everyone working in this field, even though plenty of them actually have legitimate degrees in Natural Science from places like MIT.

Besides that, I’m sticking strictly to the thread title here—just to remind you, it's "Renewable Sources: The Power Grid and Alternative Energy."

All I ever talk about is solar farms, DC microgrids, and building homes that actually take care of themselves—total energy independence.

The second I brought up three-phase power, these old-school trolls swarmed me like guard dogs protecting the status quo, acting like the current energy grid is the only way anything can ever work.

Honestly, you guys are clearly dealing with some serious insecurities... but hey, I get it. It’s tough to have a real conversation with someone who actually looks at the big picture and doesn't pretend they "don't know enough" just to avoid being wrong.

p.s.

And yeah, regarding your signature: "Greenov's Law of Debate:
"Anything is possible if you don't know what you're talking about."

All I'll say is this: people like Tesla weren't busy dreaming up the "impossible." They spoke with absolute certainty about what they knew. If we talked like that, we wouldn't even be having this conversation right now.
Zachary Mendoza2 Zachary Mendoza2 Active Member
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#2 ·
The penalty was fair; if it were up to me, I would have handed down an even harsher one.
You burst into the Natural Science forum peddling those free energy cranks from YouTube—which is pure trolling—and when shadoworca3 warned you we wouldn't tolerate it, you tried to play it off. Calling everyone who disagrees with you "old-school trolls" and "attack dogs" is clearly just more trolling, which is exactly why you got a warning. And yet, you're still complaining?

Before that, you posted a YouTube video about orgone, which I deleted without issuing a strike. Then you targeted the moderation, leading to my first warning. Then you doubled down by acting foolishly to troll us again, prompting a second warning, both times without a formal strike. Now you're complaining? Next time I catch you pulling this nonsense in Natural Science, you’ll be hit with a permanent ban immediately.
Ashley Martin2 Ashley Martin2 NewcomerOP
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#3 ·
Zachary Mendoza2 said:He was easy on you. If it were me, I’d have handed out a much harsher penalty.
You burst into the Natural Science section with those free energy kids from YouTube—pure trolling, by the way. Then, when shadoworca3 warned you we don't tolerate that here, you tried to play it off by calling everyone who disagrees with you "classic trolls" and "gatekeepers." That's blatant trolling, which is why you got the yellow card. And now you're complaining?

And before all that, you posted a YouTube video about orgone. I deleted it without even giving you a warning. Then you started picking at the mods, so I warned you. Then you went back to trolling by acting clueless, so I warned you again—still no card. And yet, here you are complaining. Next time I catch you pulling this nonsense in Natural Science, you're getting a permanent ban.

I posted that video in the right thread, and once you pulled my link, I stopped arguing. On that other thread , I was being attacked and insulted by "experts"—probably just sophomore students from MIT who think they've mastered the universe. Nobody stepped in until I fought back. Honestly, you guys are just as coordinated as politicians.

Anyway, who are you to be handing out justice in this thread? I’m waiting for an admin to step in because it's obvious shadoworca3 just used a blunt ad-hominem attack based on his own biases.
Are you just here to enjoy the show or what?!
Zachary Mendoza2 Zachary Mendoza2 Active Member
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#4 ·
Nicholas Reyes86 said:I posted that video in the appropriate thread, and once you removed my link, I stopped engaging. On that other thread , I was attacked and insulted by so-called "experts," likely just sophomore students at MIT who think they know everything. No one stepped in until I fought back. You all act as coordinated as politicians.

Your first sentence is false. You forget that posts remain in the thread for admins to see, including the one I deleted for you.😉
It concerns this thread:

starting from the 4th post, which I removed.

Regarding the other thread, starting from this post:

you were talking nonsense, and people recognized it. Even though you call them "likely sophomores at MIT" to try and discredit them, I am telling you that even a high school senior is enough to recognize your nonsense for what it is.🙂

Anyway, who are you to dispense justice in this thread too? I expect an intervention from the admins because it is clear that shadoworca3 resorted to crude ad hominem attacks based solely on his own prejudices.
Are you just here to gloat?

You will get your justice if I see you again on PZ.😉
wanderingheron52 wanderingheron52 Member
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#5 ·
It’s honestly kind of nice to see—and I guess you have to admit it's pretty satisfying to read too—when a moderator drops a line like:
"Let me tell you something..."
"You're going to get my version of the truth..."

Though, I suppose it’s not much different from when our esteemed moderator calls it a "warning," which is basically what this whole thread is circling around anyway.
Ashley Martin2 Ashley Martin2 NewcomerOP
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joined Aug 2015
#6 ·
Zachary Mendoza2 said:You'll get my version of justice if I catch you back on PZ. 😉

So, apparently nobody's going to say anything about this blatant moderator bias against me, so I have to wonder—is it because my signature rubs the left-leaning admins the wrong way? Are they just all obsessed with everything Milanovich stands for?!

What else could it be? It's clearly that.
Zachary Mendoza2 Zachary Mendoza2 Active Member
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#7 ·
Nicholas Reyes86 said:It appears no one is reacting to this coordinated moderator bias against me. I find myself wondering if my signature is the issue, perhaps offending those liberal administrators who follow the ideology of Milanovich.

What else could it be, if not that?

I haven't looked at your signature, but since you brought it up, I will quote it here so you don't delete it. It reads as follows:
If someone looks like an idiot, acts like an idiot, and talks like an idiot—what exactly are we looking at?

Words. He looks like an idiot. Contains a link to this image:
http://www.dalmacijanews.com/Portals...va5-190711.jpg

Behind an illiterate word. It jumps. It is located here:
[Image Link]

A word. Speak. vodi na ovo:

I noticed you have Joe Biden in your avatar as well, though I wasn't particularly interested in the reasoning behind it.

Based on everything stated here, I would argue that the comment below constituted an insult toward the moderator, wouldn't you agree?
Ashley Martin2 As said:😲 Listen, man, just calm down. You’re getting way too worked up. Joe Biden. Tulsi Gabbard is targeting me simply because I brought up free energy. It’s an unfair dismissal of everyone working in this field, including many who hold advanced degrees in Natural Science from institutions like MIT.

This is a snippet from a post that was red-carded for trolling. 🙂
Ashley Martin2 Ashley Martin2 NewcomerOP
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#8 ·
Zachary Mendoza2 said:I didn't even bother looking at your signature, but since you brought it up, I'll quote it right here so you can't delete it. It goes like this:

The words looks like an idiot contain a link to this image:
http://www.dalmacijanews.com/Portals...va5-190711.jpg

Right behind the illiterate word jumping is this:

And the word speaks leads to this:

I noticed you have Joe Biden in your avatar too, but I wasn't particularly interested in why.

Based on all that, I’d say what's down there was an insult to the moderator, right?

It's part of a post that got a red card for trolling. 🙂

Your logic is amazing. You're truly the perfect candidate for the Natural Science moderation team, and I'm officially nominating you for super-moderator over at PZ.

Anyway, I see I've ended up on the thread where you guys banned me. I started an interesting debate, and it went exactly the way I wanted it to. How does your logic explain that? Do I get a red card for that too, or what?! 😲
shadoworca3 shadoworca3 Member
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#9 ·
Nicholas Reyes86 said:Essentially, after the moderator launched an ad-hominem attack against my person and my subsequent response to that provocation, he handed me a red card. Given that I remained strictly within the bounds of the discussion in the PDF I was referencing until I was goaded by such a brutal assault, I am formally requesting that this penalty be rescinded.

Here is the specific post that caused shadoworca3 to lash out at me simply because I made a mention of the free energy population:

The bolded text indicates the exact part that sent him over the edge, along with his reaction:


When I warned you, I very clearly bolded three specific words from your post— free energy population.
Why are you suddenly bolding entirely different sentences now?
a) You fail to grasp the distinction between actual scientists and the crackpots obsessed with orgone and free energy machines (perpetual motion machines of the second kind).
b) You edit, distort, and lie because you assume we are too dim-witted to see through your tactics.

Regardless of the outcome, your future on PZ isn't looking particularly bright.

Nicholas Reyes86 said:And here is my rebuttal to the blatant and mindless insults directed at me, which ultimately resulted in my red card:

Your reply was completely off-topic and laced with insults that smacked of trolling, which is precisely why you were penalized.
You referred to those attempting to explain the benefits of three-phase power as nothing more than lackeys for the current electrical grid and called them narrow-minded for failing to grasp your supposed "depth"... or whatever other dimension you claim to inhabit. Honestly, from an outsider's perspective, it's obvious you aren't an expert. Your fundamental misunderstanding of the laws of conservation of energy disqualifies your argument entirely. 😉

Moving forward, please be advised that any attempt to label fellow forum members as "narrow-minded," "small-thinking," or "lackeys," or any further invocation of orgone and free energy, will result in a ban from PZ.
hollowtrucker77 hollowtrucker77 Regular
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#10 ·
If a guy can’t even tell the difference between the equator and Ecuador, I really have to wonder if he has any business trying to lecture us on energy within the realm of Natural Science.
I don't think so.
Ashley Martin2, isn't it a little suspicious, if nothing else, that even a renowned expert like Oštrić felt the need to agree with you?
Ashley Martin2 Ashley Martin2 NewcomerOP
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#11 ·
shadoworca3;44673609 said:When I warned you, I specifically bolded three words in your post - free energy crowd.
Why are you bolding different sentences now?


And why did you pick just those three words? Look, I said way more than that in my post. Most people searching Google on this topic end up citing Tesla, trying to rip off his patents, or hunting for answers to things he left unfinished.
But you lumped me in with that crowd just because I mentioned free energy and—since we were joking around in a thread about what could replace the electrical grid—I dropped a link about orgone...😁
So, who even are you (not that I care) 🙄
a) You don't see the difference between actual scientists and the crackpots chasing orgone and free energy machines (second-kind perpetual motion).

To me, Tesla was a scientist. The only real one who actually wanted to gift free energy to everyone. If people are selling junk under that label, that’s not my problem.
Besides, you shouldn't dismiss anyone outright just because they're trying to make the world better. Tons of breakthroughs in materials and medicine happened by pure accident. Often discovered by people who aren't even scientists or haven't even finished school. I mean, isn't Bill Gates living proof of that?!
b) You edit, twist, and lie because you think we're too stupid to notice.

Yeah, no chance. If someone is twisting facts and lying, that's on them. And honestly, you're trying to pull rank with your moderator status even though you have no idea who I am or what I'm about.

Whatever happens, you don't have a bright future on this forum.

There it is. Exactly what your little frog buddy sent me. Am I on an American forum or did I fall into some black hole?

Your reply is off-topic and full of insults, which looks like trolling, so that's why you got a ban.

Who's telling me that? The guy with "Inquisitor" in his signature?
Go back and look at the history. See who actually attacked who first and why.

You called the people trying to explain three-phase power to you "enforcers of the current grid" and "conspiracy theorists" because they can't grasp your "vision"... or whatever dimension you're living in. But from where I'm sitting, it's obvious you don't know your stuff. Your ignorance of the laws of conservation of energy disqualifies you. 😉

So, after I pointed out that three-phase power is totally unnecessary for my garage and my apartment building, that whole group jumped down my throat. You’re doing it too, basically—acting like I’m some clueless idiot just because I don't know the technicalities of three-phase electricity.
Look, maybe I don't. But am I not allowed to have an opinion?

And to make matters even worse, the people claiming AC current is absolutely indispensable actually disqualified themselves. They brought up HVDC technology, which—if you actually look at the link provided—actually has advantages over what they were preaching.

Basically, every time you label forum members as "narrow-minded," "overthinkers," or "conspiracy theorists," or start bringing up orgone and free energy, you're just earning yourself a partial scholarship from MIT.

If you're so eager to spread the truth, try sharing it fairly with everyone. And more importantly, try being honest with yourself first.
Ashley Martin2 Ashley Martin2 NewcomerOP
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#12 ·
hollowtrucker77 said:If someone can't tell the difference between the equator and Ecuador, they probably shouldn't be lecturing anyone on energy at MIT.
I don't think so.
Ashley Martin2, wasn't it a bit suspicious when a big-shot expert like Oštrić actually agreed with you?

What does knowing geography have to do with the fundamentals of electrical engineering? 🤷

Why should Oštrić be considered suspicious just because we happen to see eye to eye on a few things?
hollowtrucker77 hollowtrucker77 Regular
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#13 ·
I mean, isn't that exactly why certain things are taught in elementary school in the first place?
but whatever, I don't really belong in this thread anyway, I just got stuck down this rabbit hole wondering where our entire education system went wrong.
shadoworca3 shadoworca3 Member
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#14 ·
Nicholas Reyes86 said:Why on earth did you decide to single out just those three specific words? If you actually look back at my previous post, I covered much more ground than that. Beyond those few terms, there is a whole host of people—who, from what I’ve gathered while digging through Google on this subject, seem to be constantly looking toward Tesla—who are essentially trying to reverse-engineer his patents or hunt for answers to the questions he left unanswered.
It seems you’ve gone ahead and lumped me into that particular crowd simply because I brought up the concept of free energy and decided to have a bit of fun with a thread about potential alternatives to electricity, especially after I dropped a link regarding orgon.😁
So, just how much of a certain type of person are you actually? (I really shouldn't even be putting it that way, honestly.) 🙄

I’m not entirely certain if there is any real point in me bringing this up, but I suppose I should give it a shot regardless.
If I have somehow managed to make you look a bit heavier. The conversation surrounding free energy continues to grow, and I find myself increasingly preoccupied with how this concept will eventually impact the general population. It isn't just about the technology itself, but rather the profound shift in our societal structure once we move away from traditional utility models. We are looking at a fundamental transformation in how everyday Americans interact with resources, and I believe we need to prepare ourselves for the sheer scale of that transition. That simply means my warning applies to that specific situation. You should disregard everything else and stop trying to use those other points as an excuse. It’s fundamentally the same logic you see when someone tries to defend themselves in a courtroom by arguing that while they might have committed a crime yesterday or the day before, they were actually quite a decent person on all the other days.

When it comes to your constant joking around regarding orgone, you really don't have the kind of reputation that would allow you to get away with that sort of mockery—in fact, it’s quite the exact opposite.

Nicholas Reyes86 said:To me, Tesla stands alone as a true scientist—the only one who genuinely sought to gift the world the concept of free energy. As for all the junk being peddled under that label these days, frankly, that’s not my concern.
We should never be so quick to dismiss anyone who genuinely strives to leave this world better than they found it. History has shown us time and again that a vast number of breakthroughs—whether they involve revolutionary new materials or life-saving medicines—often occur by pure accident. In many cases, these discoveries aren't even made by career scientists or those with formal academic credentials. If we look at someone like Bill Gates, who didn't follow the traditional university path, isn't he living proof that brilliance doesn't always require a specific degree?

There are numerous discussions on the PZ forums where we have thoroughly laid out the reasoning behind why Tesla was both a brilliant engineer and a rogue scientist. The pursuit of free energy, along with the various new-age enthusiasts who follow his legacy, represents nothing more than a scientific blind spot that serves no practical purpose; in fact, such pursuits can only lead to intellectual infection.

Ashley Martin2 As it turns out, what was said is...
You aren't going to pull that kind of nonsense with me. If anyone here is twisting the truth and spreading lies, it’s clearly you—and it doesn't stop there. You’re actually trying to lean on your position of power to threaten me, despite the fact that you don't have the slightest clue who I am or what I stand for.

If you’re going to go around accusing someone of lying, you really ought to specify exactly what the lie was; otherwise, it just comes across as a baseless insult, which usually results in an immediate ban. So, I'm sitting here waiting for the specifics. 🙂

To be perfectly honest, I couldn't care less about who you are or what your life looks like in the real world; making threats is an empty gesture if you aren't coming from a position of actual power. 🤷
Technically, this should be considered a request, though I would much rather call it a warning, since you haven't actually been issued a red card yet. You only receive the penalty once you decide to turn a deaf ear to the warnings.

Nicholas Reyes86 said:There you have it, just as I thought. Your little froggy compadre sent me the exact same message. Honestly, am I even on a standard forum anymore, or have I somehow slipped into some sort of black hole?

You’ve wandered into the Natural Science subforum, where you aren't allowed to spout nonsense without consequences.

Nicholas Reyes86 said:And who exactly is telling me this? Is it the individual whose signature identifies them as an "inquisitor"?

😕
My own signature states:
The Greenov Rule of Debate:
"Anything is possible, provided you don't know what you're talking about."


Nicholas Reyes86 said:If you scroll back through the thread, you'll see exactly who initiated the attacks and what triggered them.

Zachary Mendoza2 gave you a warning regarding organic matter, while my issue was with the free energy crowd.
Yet, you persisted by resorting to insults involving Cerberus and similar comparisons.

Nicholas Reyes86 said:After I pointed out that three-phase power isn't necessary for my house or my building, that group attacked me—and you're doing the same thing now—questioning how I could possibly know nothing about three-phase power.
Even if I don't, shouldn't I still be entitled to express my own opinion?

To make matters worse, those who insisted that alternating current is indispensable actually disqualified themselves by bringing up HVDC technology, which, according to the very link they provided, offers distinct advantages over the system they were defending.

If you are truly intent on spreading the truth, then share it equitably with everyone, and start by being honest with yourself.

That has absolutely nothing to do with why you were issued a red card.
rowdydrifter22 rowdydrifter22 Newcomer
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#15 ·
shadoworca3 said:It’s pretty straightforward: I get the impression you’re backing Lord DrEdd and his energy policies, which apparently rely on orgon and free energy.
If you don't actually know what those terms mean, it’s embarrassing to align yourself with something you don't understand. If you do know, then you really shouldn't be posting about energy science anywhere—not on PZ, not on your blog, and certainly not on a napkin you use for a game of poker.

Is it really that hard to just give us a straight answer—YES or NO?

shadoworca3 said:🤦🤦🤦
You clearly have no idea what "orgon" or "free energy" even signify.
Go do some actual research first. Type "free energy orgon" into Google and see what comes up. 🙄
Once you've read up and applied some critical thinking, come back and apologize to those of us who had to deal with you, and maybe you'll be forgiven. image

Just stop trolling the thread.
Nobody cares about your frustrations regarding orgon and similar nonsense, including your public statements on the matter based on imaginary connections to the concept of free energy.
Warn the other users and delete your posts instead of dragging this out and trying to force a debate over concepts that are completely off-topic.
ironseal10 ironseal10 Member
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#16 ·
rowdydrifter22 said:Come on, man—stop trolling the thread.
Nobody really cares about your frustrations regarding Oregon or those similar nonsense ideas—like this "free energy" stuff—including making public statements about them just because of your self-made imaginary connections to some imaginary concept of free energy.
Just give the other forum members a heads-up and delete your posts instead of piling on and trying to spark debates over topics that are way too off-topic.

And how can you be so sure it's an imaginary concept? Maybe he's seeing something that you aren't. I totally agree that anything revolving around free energy is a non-starter from the get-go. Personally, I can't stand any kind of organic propaganda, regardless of what label it comes under.
rowdydrifter22 rowdydrifter22 Newcomer
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#17 ·
The concept of free energy regarding electricity production is an imaginary notion; it essentially boils down to the ratio of input versus output. I agree with everyone else on this point.
shadoworca3 shadoworca3 Member
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#18 ·
rowdydrifter22 said:Come on, please stop trolling this thread.
Nobody cares about your frustrations regarding Orgone or similar nonsense—including making public statements about your stance just because you've imagined some imaginary connection to the concept of "free energy."

It seems you aren't quite as informed as you think, as you clearly don't realize how many people actually subscribe to ideas like Orgone, free energy, Joe Cell, and other such absurdities. If you look at alternative media outlets, you will find entire forums dedicated to these exact delusions, where massive groups of people—this "free energy" crowd—cling to conspiracy theories and chant mantras about free, limitless energy being withheld from us by evil governments, the Illuminati, or even reptilians.
There are also plenty of naive individuals, much like in the example above, who don't even understand what they are talking about but insist on using those specific buzzwords.
Unfortunately, one finds such people even among academics and politicians.

As a moderator here at PZ, my responsibility is to nip such nonsense in the bud. That is exactly what I have done. This thread can now proceed with a more normal discussion. Tell me, if you were the moderator, would you really allow such things to be promoted?
I intend to keep asking Oštrić about this until he provides a clear answer, because as someone who isn't just an environmentalist, but an ecologist, an energy expert, and a philosopher... he ought to be knowledgeable about these matters and voice his opinion, especially since nearly a quarter of the posts in this thread belong to him.

rowdydrifter22 said:Just warn the users and delete the posts instead of piling on and calling for discussions about terms that are wildly off-topic.

Perhaps once you are a moderator or an editor for a sub-forum, you can act however you please. In my view, understanding concepts like Orgone and free energy is vital, not just for future discussions, but for general cultural literacy.

By the way, it's Orgone, not Oregon.
hollowtrucker77 hollowtrucker77 Regular
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#19 ·
I honestly don't see any reason why we couldn't just pull some free energy straight out of Oregon
my only real concern is that before we get there, that other guy is going to end up destabilizing everything in Ecuador
rowdydrifter22 rowdydrifter22 Newcomer
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#20 ·
shadoworca3 said:As an FBI moderator, my job is to nip this kind of nonsense in the bud. That’s exactly what I did. This thread can continue as a legitimate discussion, provided it stays on track. If you were running the show, would you really have sat there and let people promote garbage like that?

Of course not. I'm not defending that kind of behavior, but I am suggesting you stop fueling those "cut it off at the root" arguments in spaces where they simply don't belong—something I assume you'd actually agree with.
shadoworca3 said:I’m going to keep pressing Smith until he finally takes a stand on this issue. Since he positions himself as everything from an environmentalist to an energy expert and a philosopher, he ought to have the answers. Given that a quarter of the posts on this entire thread are his, he has a responsibility to weigh in.

Like I already said, feel free to debate whether we should start planting forests on the moon, but stop trolling this thread.
shadoworca3 said:Until you actually land a moderator or editor position for some subforum, you can go ahead and do whatever you want.

In the meantime, I’ll be making my suggestions regarding the topic scheduled for those specific loopholes.
shadoworca3 said:I believe that grasping the concepts of orgone and free energy is essential, not just for our upcoming debate, but for general literacy as well.
By the way, it isn't Oregon—it's orgon.

Feel free to start a thread over on the alternative board for our next debate. Let's call it "Orgone: A Question of General Culture."🤣
lp,

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