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Jeffrey Jones58 Jeffrey Jones58 Member
21 messages
joined Mar 2013
#601 ·
rowdyfox79 said:Oh man, I totally missed Day 3. Did anyone catch it? Apparently, that guy from the Democratic Party was going off about Ostojić because of those findings.

Yeah, some guy named Cickov was tripping out earlier. He did a decent job tearing into Ostojica, but honestly, he just left me feeling like a total amateur...
And don't even get me started on that Ostojica press conference. It was such a massive load of garbage and nonsense that I think even someone blind would have been able to see through the stupidity.
Matthew Taylor15 Matthew Taylor15 Active Member
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joined Sep 2013
#602 ·
Jeffrey Jones58 said:Yeah, Cickov is a total joke—sure, he handled Ostojica okay, but the guy just seems super flaky to me...
And don't even get me started on that Ostojica press conference. It was such a load of garbage and nonsense that even a blind man would've seen through it immediately.

Igor Peternel was the one from the Democratic Party
Justin Watson4 Justin Watson4 Newcomer
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joined Oct 2009
#603 ·
rowdyfox79 said:Oh man, I totally missed Episode 3. Did anyone catch it? Apparently, that guy from the Democratic Party was going after Ostojić just to get his hands on those findings.

Yeah, right! Like the Democratic Party is some kind of moral compass or anything. 🙄 Honestly, they can all just go jump in a lake—the party, Rankec, and the cops too. 🙄
George Gonzalez George Gonzalez Newcomer
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joined Mar 2013
#604 ·
Jeffrey Jones58 said:Yeah, Cickov seems a bit scattered—he did a decent job handling Ostojica, I suppose, but he leaves me with this sort of flimsy impression...
And honestly, that Ostojica press conference isn't even worth mentioning; it was so packed with nonsense and sheer stupidity that even a blind man might have gained some insight from it.

My friend, you’re an idiot. Actually, I’m an idiot too. All of you who think like this are idiots. Look, I’ll touch on this little situation briefly—everyone, and I mean absolutely everyone, is against the hooligan who just causes trouble. They claim he had a thicker rap sheet, that he was high on drugs, and that he deserves whatever comes his way. It’s just this peasant mindset—I almost wish someone would conquer us so people like this could spend their days wiping themselves for foreigners; they’d probably love it, damn them. I feel like a fool, and you should too, along with everyone else. Morally speaking, we are at rock bottom—a tribe without any dignity. It seems more important to us that our neighbor's cow dies than to have a coherent thought about anything, even if it means acting like total retards... The country isn't the problem here; the people are.
urbanheron5 urbanheron5 Member
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joined Mar 2012
#605 ·
George Gonzalez said:Man, you’re an idiot. Actually, I’m an idiot. All of you who think this way are idiots. Look, if I bring up a story about some kid today, everyone—and I mean everyone—is going to jump down his throat. They'll just say he's a hooligan who causes trouble, has a criminal record, was high on drugs, and basically deserves whatever happens to him. It's such a low-class mindset. I honestly wish someone would come along and conquer us; people like you would probably love bowing down to foreigners, damn it. I feel like a fool, and honestly, you should too, along with everyone else. As a nation, we’ve hit rock bottom. We're a people without dignity. We care more about seeing the neighbor's cow die than anything else, even if it makes us look like total morons... The country isn't the problem; the people are the problem.

People have turned into a mindless mob controlled by a handful of idiots, believing every single thing served to them on TV, in newspapers, and all that other garbage. We're a complete disaster of a nation that deserves to be wiped off the face of the earth because we're busy burying ourselves and acting like fools. We're at the absolute bottom—just pure hypocrisy everywhere.🙂
electriccanyon15 electriccanyon15 Active Member
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joined Mar 2013
#606 ·
Steven Cooper60 said:I was just talking this over with my mom, specifically about this case and the whole situation as a whole.
It’s honestly pretty depressing how regular folks—people who have zero actual experience dealing with "our" police force—view things. To them, everything is always the fault of hooligans or some "unhinged mob." (And hey, looking at that mob, I'm kind of part of it; we actually have some reports filed at home that we haven't even talked about yet, she just read them and has no clue what really went down beyond what was written on paper). They think the biggest problem in this country is just people speaking up. I tried my best to walk her through the logic, but man, that's what happens when the media gets a hold of someone who's never even had a run-in with the cops. I guess at least 80% of people in our society are just totally brainwashed by the news.

ps. That idea about everyone meeting up in the County is brilliant. Ideally on game day, all of us standing together as one! (Assuming we aren't too dim-witted to have other priorities right now)

I can definitely back this up, and I agree with what George Gonzalez wrote.
I mean, I had the same conversation with my mom, and her immediate reaction was basically telling me I should go educate myself... which is so naive. She immediately jumped to the conclusion that this is just how hooligans deserve it, and then she started questioning why I'm such an idiot for traveling all the way from overseas just for games and stuff.

It just sucks, honestly. The media has manipulated every single one of these cases to favor the cops and the politicians, so these spineless sheep just believe whatever they're told. Now, we end up looking like the villains while those guys get to play the "innocent guardians of peace" card.
George Gonzalez George Gonzalez Newcomer
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#607 ·
urbanheron5 said:People have turned into this mindless mob led by a handful of idiots—they swallow every single thing served up on TV, in the news, and all that other garbage. I guess we’ve become a nation so lost that we practically deserve to be wiped off the map; we're just digging our own graves and eating our own filth. It's honestly pathetic—just pure hypocrisy everywhere you look. 🙂

Oh, sure, let's go ahead and blame the TV networks, the politicians, and the pop stars again. We're trash—I suppose—though I'm not entirely sure why. They've stripped away what little dignity we had left, but then again, if you let someone take your dignity, maybe you weren't really worthy of it to begin with. Now, some guy will probably jump in and claim that Yugoslavia was the root of all this evil. Maybe that's true, but honestly, who cares? If you strip American history out of the schools and replace it with a curriculum where you just wander the streets listening to people, and then ask you to write an essay on why Americans spent a thousand years without their own sovereignty... MAYBE then the next generation might actually open their eyes.
briskwolf39 briskwolf39 Member
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joined Feb 2012
#608 ·
Enough talk. I’m not saying this is just something that *should* happen; I’m saying we actually NEED to see some movement here. It’s pretty obvious whose turn it is to step up. If the leadership would just get their act together and unite, they could finally kick these scumbags to the curb once and for all... 😠
George Gonzalez George Gonzalez Newcomer
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#609 ·
We’ve been through this exact same conversation more times than I can count, and honestly—all we have to show for it is a recent bit of progress in the South that, frankly, could have been handled much better. I don't know, maybe I've just lost my faith in everything; there's this overwhelming sense of lethargy lately. At this point, it feels like our best move might just be some collective harakiri and calling it a day.
Jessica Long8 Jessica Long8 Newcomer
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#610 ·
There is one thing I struggle to wrap my head around. Personally, I think I would find it impossible to live with the weight of a child's death on my conscience; I would do absolutely everything in my power to uncover the truth, if only to prevent the memory of a young life lost from haunting me for the rest of my days.

To be perfectly honest, there is a real possibility that Marko did not die as a result of police conduct.

That said, we have an obligation to ensure that the full truth comes to light.

The first step toward any meaningful progress is demonstrating solidarity among all NFL fans. This should begin symbolically through messages, then transition into concrete actions and support provided by professionals—doctors and lawyers who belong to these various groups and stand in solidarity with Marko's family.

Once every fact has been scrutinized and the truth established, then we can determine our next moves. That is the only logical path forward; otherwise, aimless violence directed at the police serves as nothing more than a blow to Marko's own family.

Civil disobedience? Sure. Resistance? Absolutely. But only if it serves a higher purpose. Violence for the sake of violence is futile, especially when facing an opponent with significantly more power.
Jeffrey Jones58 Jeffrey Jones58 Member
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joined Mar 2013
#611 ·
Look, don't get mad at me, but not everyone is so thick-headed and blind that they can't see what's staring them right in the face. It’s true, people have lost their dignity and basically stopped trusting anyone, but you can't actually make progress if you stay stuck in that kind of doom-and-gloom pessimism. Honestly? I don't even think people are that stupid; it's more like they just don't give a damn. It's easier to just shrug and chant, "Oh, they're all just thugs and junkies," and call it a day rather than actually thinking about it. And another thing—I really believe that if we used one organized, concrete, and civilized approach, we could actually help a lot more people, instead of all these uncoordinated outbursts that honestly just end up hurting us in the long run.
Robert Roberts5 Robert Roberts5 Newcomer
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#612 ·
Jeffrey Jones58 said:Don’t get mad at me—really, don't—but not everyone is quite so narrow-minded or willfully blind to what's right in front of their faces. It is undeniably true that people have lost their sense of dignity and frankly, they don't trust anyone anymore; however, if we wallow in this level of pessimism, how on earth are we supposed to make any progress? I don't necessarily think people are that dim-witted—it's more that they simply don't care. It’s easier to just shrug and chant, "Oh, they're all savages and junkies," and call it a day rather than actually thinking about it. Furthermore, I truly believe that a single organized, concrete, and civilized approach would yield far more help than these uncoordinated outbursts—which, let's be honest, only end up hurting us in the long run.

So, what exactly are we waiting for?
The leaders of these various organizations need to get their teams together and actually coordinate with one another—if we could pull it off back in El Paso, why can't we manage it now!?
Olivia White13 Olivia White13 Newcomer
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#613 ·
This isn't even really about the sports fans, though I know that’s what we were all just discussing, but since we seem to be on the topic of "sheeple" and people who blindly follow the crowd, I felt compelled to share a little something:

The Strategy of Distraction.

One might argue that a fundamental pillar of social control lies in the deliberate deployment of distraction or interference—a calculated strategy designed to divert the public's attention away from the critical questions and systemic shifts being orchestrated by the political and economic elite. This is often achieved through a technique I can only describe as a "flood," where a relentless deluge of trivialities and insignificant data points creates a constant state of noise, effectively drowning out any meaningful discourse. For such an interference strategy to truly succeed, however, it relies heavily on tapping into what the public finds inherently engaging, specifically by weaving in foundational concepts from fields like science, economics, psychology, neurobiology, and even cybernetics to mask the underlying manipulation.

It seems to me, though I perhaps lack the cynical wit required for such maneuvers, that there exists a deliberate strategy to keep the public’s attention diverted from the truly pressing social issues facing our nation, essentially occupying their minds with trivialities that carry no real weight. If one can simply keep the populace preoccupied—busy, busy, busy—then they will inevitably find themselves without the necessary time or mental clarity to engage in meaningful reflection, effectively being herded back toward the mindless drudgery of the fields alongside the livestock.

An excerpt from the book “Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars.”

The strategy of creating problems only to offer the solutions themselves is a tactic I find deeply unsettling, though I suppose it is quite common in certain circles of power. It feels somewhat like watching a magician who intentionally trips over his own feet just so he can perform a dramatic recovery that leaves the audience cheering, even though the stumble was entirely staged from the beginning. One begins to wonder about the sincerity of the progress being made when the very crises being addressed seem to have been carefully manufactured by those holding the proverbial clipboard. It is a cycle of artificial necessity that makes one feel rather weary, if I am being honest.

There is this particular tactic often referred to as the "problem-reaction-solution" framework, which I have been reflecting on quite a bit lately. It essentially involves the deliberate engineering of a crisis—creating a specific kind of "situation" designed to trigger a visceral public outcry—all so that the powers that be can then step forward with a pre-planned policy or measure. It is a rather sobering thought, really, because under any normal circumstances, the public would likely push back against such measures, but by manufacturing the tension first, they ensure that we are all too preoccupied with the immediate reaction to question the ultimate goal.

It strikes me, somewhat ruefully, that there is a recurring pattern in how our national narrative unfolds, almost like a scripted play we find ourselves watching over and over again. One might observe how the media outlets begin to weave a specific, heightened tale regarding the rise of urban unrest or street violence, which inevitably triggers a wave of public anxiety; this fear, once sufficiently stoked, leads the citizenry to begrudgingly accept stringent new security protocols and sweeping policing policies that ultimately come at a significant cost to our fundamental civil liberties. Or, if one looks through a different lens, consider how an economic crisis can be manufactured or allowed to fester until we are all forced to accept a recession as some sort of inevitable, necessary evil, which then serves as the convenient justification for slashing social safety nets and dismantling essential public services. It is a sobering cycle to contemplate, really.

3. A GRADUAL STRATEGY

If you want to convince the general public to swallow something truly unacceptable, the trick is to master the art of gradualism—essentially engineering a crisis one tiny drop at a time, even if that process drags on for a year or more. This is precisely how those radical new socio-economic frameworks, like neoliberalism, were forced upon us during the 1980s and 1990s. They didn't just flip a switch; instead, they slowly introduced privatization, job insecurity, labor flexibility, and mass unemployment through a series of incremental shifts. It was a calculated move, because if they had attempted to implement all those seismic changes simultaneously, it would have undoubtedly triggered a full-scale revolution.

4. THE ART OF PROCRASTINATION

I have been reflecting quite a bit on how political messaging functions, and I find myself wondering if there might be a more strategic—albeit somewhat cynical—way that unpopular decisions could be packaged to ensure they gain public traction. It seems to me that if one were to frame certain mandates as "painful yet necessary," it would likely secure a level of societal acceptance for future shifts that might otherwise be detrimental to the individual. From what I understand about human psychology, people generally find it much easier to stomach a sacrifice that lies in the distant future rather than one that hits their wallet or lifestyle immediately. This is largely because the actual effort isn't felt right away, and, perhaps more importantly, the general public tends to cling to this optimistic notion that everything will simply "fix itself tomorrow," leading them to believe their own personal sacrifices might somehow be bypassed. By framing things this way, leadership essentially buys itself a significant amount of time, allowing the masses to gradually acclimate to the idea of change until they eventually accept it, albeit with a sense of quiet resignation.

5. ADDRESSING THE PUBLIC AS IF THEY WERE A SMALL CHILD

It strikes me, somewhat melancholy as it may be, that the vast majority of advertisements aimed at the general public rely so heavily on a specific kind of discourse—employing certain arguments, caricatures, and particularly those high-pitched, childish inflections. They seem to position these tropes right alongside our most basic vulnerabilities, almost as if they believe the American viewer is either incredibly small or perhaps suffering from some sort of cognitive deficit. It seems to me that there is a direct correlation at play here: the more an advertiser intends to mislead the audience, the more aggressively they lean into these infantile tones to bypass our better judgment.

Why on earth would that be the case?

If one chooses to address an individual as if they were merely a child—perhaps someone no older than twelve years old—through the use of patronizing suggestions, then there exists a distinct, albeit unfortunate, probability that the recipient’s subsequent response or reaction will also lack any semblance of critical thought, much like the behavior one might expect from a child of that same age.

An excerpt from “Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars.”

One really ought to consider the profound impact of tapping into the emotional landscape when one is attempting to communicate a point effectively. It is quite easy to get lost in the weeds of cold, hard logic, but I have often found that if you don't reach out and touch the heart, the mind simply remains closed to your arguments, which is a rather frustrating predicament to navigate, wouldn't you agree?

Exploiting the emotional sensibilities of an audience is a textbook maneuver, really, one designed specifically to trigger a complete short circuit within any attempt at rational analysis. It is my humble observation that by leaning so heavily into this emotional register, one essentially pries open a door, allowing for the subconscious imposition of certain ideas, desires, fears, or even compulsions, all while skillfully provoking a specific, predetermined reaction...

7. KEEPING THE PUBLIC IN THE DARK AND ENSURING MEDIOCRITY

It strikes me, quite profoundly if I do say so myself, that there seems to be a deliberate, almost calculated effort being made to ensure the general public remains entirely incapable of grasping the underlying technologies currently being deployed—not just to manage our lives, but to facilitate a much more insidious form of systemic control and eventual subjugation. One can't help but feel a certain heavy sense of unease when observing how these complex methods are shielded from common understanding, effectively rendering the citizenry unable to recognize the very mechanisms designed to keep them in a state of perpetual servitude.

It occurs to me, quite often when I find myself lost in thought regarding the structural inequities of our nation, that there seems to be an underlying, rather troubling logic at play within our academic institutions. One might argue—though it is a heavy and somewhat somber thought to carry—that the quality of education provided to those in the lower socioeconomic classes is intentionally kept somewhat lackluster and mediocre. The idea, if one were to follow this cynical thread to its conclusion, is to ensure that the intellectual divide between the privileged upper echelons and everyone else remains an insurmountable chasm, effectively preventing any meaningful social mobility through knowledge alone. It is a deeply unsettling concept to contemplate, yet it feels like a necessary point of reflection for anyone truly concerned with the fairness of the American dream.

An excerpt from “Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars.”

8. Encouraging the public to settle for mediocrity.

There is this pervasive, almost trendy effort to convince the public that being ignorant, crude, and uneducated is actually quite fashionable...

9. THE INDIVIDUAL MUST BE MADE TO FEEL GUILTY

The goal is to manipulate an individual into believing they are solely responsible for their own misfortunes—whether that stems from a perceived lack of intelligence, a failure of talent, or simply not trying hard enough. Consequently, instead of rising up against the economic machine, people remain paralyzed by the belief that their struggles are their own fault; this leads to a sense of depression which serves the singular purpose of stifling any meaningful action. And, as we all know, without action, there can be no revolution!

10. UNDERSTANDING THE INDIVIDUAL BETTER THAN THEY UNDERSTAND THEMSELVES

Over the last fifty years, scientific advancements have significantly widened the "knowledge gap" between the general public and those who hold the reins of power within the ruling elite. By leveraging breakthroughs in biology, neurobiology, and psychology, "the system" now possesses a sophisticated understanding of the human condition, both physically and psychologically. It has reached a point where the system can often understand the average American better than that person understands themselves. This essentially means that, in most instances, the system wields far more control and much greater power over individuals than those individuals possess over their own lives.
electricstag9 electricstag9 Active Member
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joined Feb 2020
#614 ·
Matthew Taylor15 said:Igor Peternel was that guy from the ACLU

A true and undisputed human rights warrior, the original Cickov sycophant, whose wife happens to be an employee of Mamicev's New York Yankees (which obviously has absolutely nothing to do with anything 😁). On Facebook, he attacks anyone who dares to criticize the national team or Mamica... here is a little snippet about him, a supposed fighter against corruption and theft who actually couldn't care less about the looting ☕
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AN ACLU EMPLOYEE ON AMERICAN THEFT: "I DON'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT THE LOOTING".... The ACLU, as we all know, is a very strange organization that has transformed over time into an outright combatant AGAINST anti-corruption efforts and honest oversight. For years now, they have blindly served the system and those who robbed us blind.
Every once in a while, they surprise us with some post that seems vaguely coherent until you actually take a moment to analyze it: just yesterday, for instance, they made an official announcement claiming we urgently need to open more soup kitchens—yet you never, ever hear them mention the need to prosecute thieves or recover what was stolen during the bank collapses, the mass privatizations, and the entire 23-year spree of larceny ravaging this country. This crew doesn't care; they live far too comfortably on taxpayer money, and the "human rights" they defend are actually the rights of the mobsters who left us begging for scraps.

The most active ACLU activist on Facebook in his fight AGAINST anti-corruption measures is Igor Peternel, a member of the ACLU Executive Council. Even last year, he stood up against whistleblowers in general (calling them "snitches," and let's face it, nobody likes a snitch). In both his professional and free time, he regularly insults and belittles anyone attempting to fight corruption—whistleblowers, journalists, and so on—trying to use his status as an ACLU activist to tank their credibility in the eyes of anyone reading the comments.
Particularly interesting is his statement posted last night on Denis latina's wall regarding the Enron scandal: Igor Peternel (ACLU): "I don't give a damn about the looting"
Charles Torres12 Charles Torres12 Member
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joined Sep 2011
#615 ·
So, I just heard that the cops blocked them from setting up the choreographies, the banners, and even the flags this morning. Are you kidding me? Is that actually happening?
Christian Jones Christian Jones Active Member
218 messages
joined Feb 2012
#616 ·
Charles Torres12 said:The cops banned all the banners, flags, and choreo this morning??? Are you kidding me right now?

In this country, anything goes... First they go after the fans, then they come for us. It’s just more of the same crap we’ve been dealing with in Washington, D.C. for years. Constant harassment, being filmed, intimidation... the whole works.
It’s now or never—all the groups need to get together and stand up!!!!
Casey Palmer10 Casey Palmer10 Member
20 messages
joined Apr 2013
#617 ·
Charles Torres12 said:The cops actually banned all the choreo, banners, and flags this morning??? Are you kidding me right now?


Do you really have to leak everything on the forum the second it happens? For crying out loud.
Mark Carter10 Mark Carter10 Active Member
60 messages
joined Sep 2011
#618 ·
Casey Palmer10 said:Do you really have to spill everything on the forum immediately? For crying out loud.

🤣 🤣 🤣
What kind of information?
Nicole Jackson3 Nicole Jackson3 Active Member
124 messages
joined Apr 2023
#619 ·
Casey Palmer10 said:Do you really have to spill everything on the forum immediately? For crying out loud...

That's how you do it. Straight to the point, short and sweet.🙂
Zachary Carter53 Zachary Carter53 Newcomer
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joined Feb 2014
#620 ·
Christian Jones said:Honestly, anything can happen in this country... it’s not like we’re facing immediate danger, but they’re doing the exact same thing to us in New York City that they've been pulling for years. The repression, the harassment, the constant surveillance and all that other garbage.
It's now or never—every single group needs to unite!!!!

Like someone else mentioned earlier, we need to stage a massive protest during the Lamar Hunt U.S. Open Cup final in New York City and actually hit back. You're spot on about the crackdown on the Black Knights... these are just the early warning signs.
Given everything that's gone down lately in our scene, if we don't realize how bad things are getting, then I don't know what to tell you... we might as well just let them wipe us out at this point...

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