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analogheron19 analogheron19 Newcomer
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joined Dec 2008
#121 ·
Jesse Doyle3 said:So last Sunday in Columbus, after they stormed the stands, I was standing right behind them. This one guy starts rambling about how everyone needs to be hauled off and dealt with. Look, I’m not usually the type to run to the cops, but on Sunday, I just hit my limit. I pulled out my phone and started filming these idiots. I was using a stabilizer setup to get a clear shot 😁, then this jerk pulls out a baton and cracks some kid right in the head—and the kid had his hands up in the air! I had him zoomed in on my screen thinking, "Holy hell, I'm sending this to everyone so they can see this garbage," but when I go to check the footage, all you see is the cop swinging the baton, but the kid isn't even in the frame 🙂

Well, post the photo or the video here then.🤷
Christian Jones Christian Jones Active Member
218 messages
joined Feb 2012
#122 ·
Jesse Doyle3 said:So, this past Sunday in Columbus, after they stormed the stands... I’m standing right behind them, and this one guy starts ranting about how they need to shake everyone down and clear the area. Look, I’m not usually one for complaining, but on Sunday, I just snapped. I pulled out my phone and started filming those idiots. I’m using a long extension cable connected to their own camera setup 😁, then suddenly some tough guy pulls a baton and cracks a kid right in the head—and the kid had his hands up in the air! I had him zoomed in, thinking, "Holy crap, I'm sending this to everyone," but then I look at the footage and see the officer swinging and hitting, but the kid isn't even in the frame 🙂

If you can catch that jerk's face, post it here so we can all see. 😠
And from now on, if any of you get the chance, film those bastards when they overstep the line! Then we just pass the photos along to every forum, news site, and paper out there. It only takes one media outlet to pick it up...
Jessica Phillips6 Jessica Phillips6 Newcomer
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joined Oct 2015
#123 ·
http://www.nogometni-magazin.com/new...ranto_hrv_news

Look, this isn't about "ultras" or whatever label you want to slap on them. The fans? They're just a testing ground. This is clearly a drill for state-level intervention tactics.
Jesse Doyle3 Jesse Doyle3 Newcomer
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joined Mar 2014
#124 ·
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_Kfl...ature=youtu.be
placidbadger58 placidbadger58 Active Member
119 messages
joined Dec 2012
#125 ·
or this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZftmp7cAHs

or this guy who's just totally stuck in life, man...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=_7KJmYGMvK8
Betty Perez2 Betty Perez2 Newcomer
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joined Oct 2010
#126 ·
Jesse Doyle3 said:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_Kfl...ature=youtu.be

Bravo—let's see the face of that shameless jerk 👍

You see how he suddenly gets quiet the second you pull out a camera? 🙂
Laura Mitchell87 Laura Mitchell87 Newcomer
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joined Oct 2013
#127 ·
Jesse Doyle3 said:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_Kfl...ature=youtu.be

Total pussy.
Alex Campbell54 Alex Campbell54 Newcomer
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joined Mar 2021
#128 ·
tigric said:Seriously, what kind of timing is this? Is this really happening right when everyone is calling for fan solidarity and staying united? We have much bigger issues to deal with than just petty rivalries. So what's the point of all this?? It feels like trading everything we stand for just for a gold medal. What a joke.

Do you even realize that your opinion doesn't matter?
Steven Perez28 Steven Perez28 Member
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joined Apr 2013
#129 ·
http://www.ultras-tifo.net/news/1278...no-reason.html
wearyorca75 wearyorca75 Active Member
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joined Sep 2012
#130 ·
From the news portal:

"The Washington, D.C. Police Department is still running an internal investigation into this week’s incident in Columbus where—based on leaked footage and eyewitness accounts—riot police brutally and unprovoked attacked several hundred Kansas City Chiefs fans and locals. The whole probe is being handled behind closed doors, and it has once again exposed a scandalous reality: nobody actually oversees police conduct in America!
We received unofficial word from the Department of Homeland Security on Thursday that a Congressional Committee tasked with reviewing complaints against the Department of Justice will discuss the 'Columbus case' once they receive the full report. However, the unspoken truth is that this committee doesn't even function. Members were appointed over two months ago, and that was it—no meetings have been called, there are no operating procedures, and the committee members haven't even met yet."
What a joke.☕

"They appointed us, and that’s about all we got. We’re still waiting for the Department to call us in so we can actually start working," said Elizabeth Warren from the Peace Corps. She is one of three members representing civil society groups, alongside Kelly Clarkson, who represents the Veterans of Foreign Wars and the Special Olympics. The third member is appointed by the Department of Justice, and together they are supposed to handle citizen complaints and provide some semblance of civilian oversight over the police. Until they actually get moving, the police are essentially policing themselves.

"We’re going to demand that the Department of Justice keeps us updated on the progress of the investigation. We are also calling on members of the Black Knights and other citizens to submit their reports, specifically any documentation regarding injuries. Anyone harmed by the inappropriate police response has the right to sue the state, and every officer within the Department of Justice who exceeded their authority or used excessive force must be held accountable," Warren stated after looking into the details of the situation.
"The reports coming out of the Columbus incident are deeply disturbing and point toward serious violations. We will be watching this situation very closely and insisting that everything is cleared up completely," Warren added.
Meanwhile, Kansas City Chiefs fans have already begun filing official complaints regarding the actions of the riot police in Columbus, so the Department of Justice's FBI Internal Affairs division is clearly going to be swamped in the coming days. According to Department spokesperson Selena Gomez, results aren't expected before next week, though they promised to speak "with everyone who might have witness testimony" beforehand.
If negligence is found, the head of the Washington, D.C. Police Department, John Doe, will decide on disciplinary measures for his officers."
boldhound8 boldhound8 Regular
437 messages
joined Oct 2007
#131 ·
Hang out this Saturday, Dec 1st, at the Bad Boys clubhouse for dinner. Every single cent from the drinks goes straight toward fighting back against police repression!!! EVERYONE IS INVITED!!!

Better bring some black envelopes to stash the cash in, then carry them over to San Francisco the next day.🙂 April wasn't even that bad, but I'll drop the cash just for the hell of it—though I doubt I'm the only one feeling shady about it...
analogheron19 analogheron19 Newcomer
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joined Dec 2008
#132 ·
wearyorca75 said:From a local news portal:

"The Washington, D.C. Police Department is still running an internal investigation into this week's incident in Columbus where, according to released footage and witness accounts, riot police brutally and unprovoked attacked several hundred Kansas City Chiefs fans and locals. The entire process is being handled behind closed doors, and yet another scandalous detail has surfaced: nobody actually oversees police conduct in America!
We received unofficial word from the Department of Homeland Security on Thursday that a Congressional Committee tasked with reviewing DOJ complaints will discuss the 'Columbus case' once they supposedly receive the full report. However, what’s being hushed up is that this body doesn't even function. Their members were appointed over two months ago and that's where it ended—no meetings have been called, there are no operating procedures, and the committee members haven't even met each other yet."
What a joke.☕

"They appointed us, and that's about it. We're still waiting for the Department to call us together so we can actually get to work," Elizabeth Warren from the Peace Corps told us. As one of three members, she represents civil society organizations, alongside Kelly Clarkson representing the Veterans of Foreign Wars and the Special Olympics. The third member is appointed by the Department of Justice, and together they are supposed to handle citizen complaints and provide some semblance of civilian oversight over the police. Until they actually start functioning, the police are essentially policing themselves.

'We are going to demand that the DOJ keeps us updated on the progress of the investigation, and we’re calling on members of the Black Knights and other citizens to send in their reports, especially documentation regarding those injured. Anyone who suffered due to the inappropriate police response has the right to sue the state, and every officer in the Department of Justice who overstepped their authority and used excessive force must be held accountable,' Warren stated after looking into the details of the case.
'The reports coming out of the Columbus incident are deeply concerning and, by all accounts, involve serious violations. We will be watching the situation very closely and insisting that this is cleared up completely,' Warren added.
Meanwhile, Kansas City Chiefs fans have already begun filing official complaints regarding the actions of the riot police in Columbus, so the Department of Justice's FBI Internal Affairs is clearly going to be swamped in the coming days. According to Department spokesperson Selena Gomez, results aren't expected until next week, and it has been promised that they will speak 'with everyone who might have testimony' before then.
If negligence is found, the head of the Washington, D.C. Police Department, John Doe, will decide on disciplinary measures against his officers."

After something like this, you really have to push hard and make sure people don't just let the dust settle and forget about it.
wearyorca75 wearyorca75 Active Member
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joined Sep 2012
#133 ·
analogheron19 said:after this, we seriously need to push hard and not let the momentum die down...


I think we applied the right amount of pressure just now—we're scrutinizing every single detail, we showed our teeth, and justice is on our side.
Plus, we actually have people in our corner whose opinions carry weight...

The goal is shared—just stay smart and stay strong. 👍
frozenranger52 frozenranger52 Member
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joined Dec 2012
#134 ·
In today's edition of Gregg Popovich's column, which was actually written while he was out in Columbus, he goes into quite a bit of detail about this over two full pages. 😉

though I wouldn't be surprised if you've already reached out to him
feralwolf16 feralwolf16 Active Member
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#135 ·
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wearyorca75 wearyorca75 Active Member
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joined Sep 2012
#136 ·
frozenranger52 said:In today's Gregg Popovich—who happened to be out in Columbus—there's a full two-page spread on this. 😉

not that I doubt you've already reached out to them

The link didn't load in my last post, but it's fixed now😉
Jerry Sanders3 Jerry Sanders3 Newcomer
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#137 ·
I wonder if the Black Knights or their famous Human Rights Watch allies even bothered to mention this whole situation in Columbus... just a single word or maybe a brief sentence. I suppose Columbus is just too much of a backwater for his elite envoys. There’s certainly no Presidential Suite to be found there, and I doubt the local greasy diners and cheap burgers would satisfy his rather refined palate...
Ryan Taylor6 Ryan Taylor6 Newcomer
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#138 ·
The issues surrounding law enforcement aren't limited to football stadiums. It seems police crackdowns have escalated so much lately that it feels somewhat senseless. I suppose if the state needs to generate revenue quickly, the easiest way is to squeeze it out of others, and fans provide a perfect opportunity for that kind of profit.
Charles Long10 Charles Long10 Newcomer
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joined Dec 2012
#139 ·
Here’s a little something for you all to chew on if things ever get messy in Columbus—it’s a statement from the former police chief back when he was in the opposition, and in the bolded section, he basically straight-up suggests the police might be massaging the facts they feed to the public...
It’s about that arrest on Broadway:

But look, the real kicker is the question being pushed right now by Robert Mueller, who’s the head of the Congressional Committee on Intelligence and used to run the whole department; he’s asking whether the use of force actually followed the law.

"Regardless of what kind of stories are leaking out there, I've been demanding a full report from the Department of Justice from the jump regarding everything that went down on Broadway. I can't say for sure if the kid had an epileptic seizure or not, but what I saw on that footage is more than enough reason to demand answers. What I care about is how the cops handled it. I don't want to jump to conclusions, but I've seen enough to ask if the force used was legal and if their tactics were totally botched," Mueller told BuzzFeed.

"Oversight is my job, plain and simple, and I always call for a report whenever I think there's a reason to. There has to be police footage of the incident, and I want to see it. I’m not trying to pre-judge anyone here, but I honestly think we’re looking at some massive problems. We all know what a cop is supposed to do before they resort to force, but right now, it's hard to tell exactly what happened since I wasn't standing there on the corner. That’s why I’m expecting that official report and the video, because that footage has to exist. I don't know if the guy insulted an officer, but if someone thinks an arrest was unfair, they have every right to say so. And if this kid really does have epilepsy, then we are looking at a major crisis. I have plenty of reasons to doubt the police tactics here, especially when I'm reading a dozen different versions of the story in the papers. I'm not blind. I don't know if there was a risk of him bolting or if he was shoving officers, which would mean they had to cuff him, but it’s obvious the police knew this was going to blow up into a scandal. Honestly, I wouldn't be shocked if the info being released to the press was totally doctored." If the Department claims the force was justified, then this moves to a much higher level. They'll be coming for the person justifying it—the Chief of Police. In my opinion, the Chief won't be able to dodge making a public statement in a case like this," Mueller stated clearly.

The standard operating procedures for police conduct are crystal clear: an officer is required to provide assistance to a detained person if they ask for it, especially if they were taken into custody using force. Yet, it remains completely unexplained how an officer is supposed to provide medical help when they aren't—and aren't required to be—a doctor. At least, that’s the official line from the Washington, D.C. Police Department spokesperson, Selena Gomez, and honestly, you don't even need a driver's license to see how that contradicts both common sense and the law.
Mark Reyes2 Mark Reyes2 Member
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joined Apr 2012
#140 ·
spermint said:The Human Rights Watch group that was out watching the game in Columbus actually resigned right after because of how the police handled things. Unbelievable, but true.

I honestly can't tell if you're being incredibly cynical here or if this is actually the truth...
If this is legit, where on earth did you see—or hear—or read about this? If you don't mind sharing, of course.

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