Die-hard Ultras / Hardcore Supporters

Dennis Davis97 said:don't give me that crap 🙂

If you ask me, you’re clearly just messing with me, but apparently, I’m the one who’s completely missing the point here. 🙂

Jesse Garcia86 said:Some people go all out, others don't. I used to be way more intense about it, but now I've dialed it back, which feels pretty normal to me. Honestly, I’ve never really cared if someone wasn't as hardcore as I was. I did my thing because it's what I wanted to do. 😉

If it were actually "less" or "more," they wouldn't be lighting ten flares for 3,500 people—it would be at least 50.☕

Matthew Foster8 said:T. Bauer has done more damage to the Black Knights with his lackeys, his insults, and his constant mouth-wagging over all these years than half the size of our actual membership. You guys should honestly just send him a formal letter of expulsion or something. Get him out.

Look, let’s be honest—without him, the Black Knights wouldn't even exist. Period.🙂

John Richardson5 said:Look, if the numbers were actually different, they wouldn't be lighting just ten flares for a crowd of 3,500 people; they’d be setting off at least fifty, minimum. ☕

There's always room for improvement. 🙂

steeltrucker said:🙂🙂 I can't even quote this—Lord, just strike my house with lightning and blow the power out already...

How am I supposed to take this seriously? If someone had told me twenty years ago that America would be sitting on cash like Switzerland in 2012, I wouldn't have believed them—let alone being told there'd be this many absolute clowns in the Black Knights, or that some so-called "group" would end up making national news.
I don't say anything about the Black Knights for one single reason: you don't spit in the well you drink from. But if it turns out soon enough that these fair-weather fans are just too weak to hold it together... then shut it all down. Kill the whole thing. Wipe the slate clean and start a new, healthy story from scratch. I still have more faith that things can actually improve than those pessimists counting down the days until the big boss leaves, but this whole situation with the little medic has finally shown what a complete disaster this really is.
The smart ones left a long time ago anyway.
Do whatever you want, play your games, but maybe it’s better to just let people breathe and see if any of this actually makes sense at all..
@eurostar hats off to you—you might not be getting older, but you definitely know where everything stands.

John Perez13 said:Why would anyone get pissed? If we’re debating and talking things out, there’s no reason to lose your cool. You respect the person you're talking to, you listen to what they have to say, and you either accept it if it makes sense or shut them down with actual counterarguments. Right now, the Black Knights have everything that defines a real supporter group—they're more than just a crowd, they're a damn unit!!!
1. We actually have the muscle to drive change.
2. We command respect from other groups and different parts of society (unless we fail to respect ourselves first).
3. We’ve got the mainstream right behind us.
4. We have the numbers—massive presence both when we travel and at home (three full sections standing on their feet).
5. Our chanting is better than it has EVER been.
6. We’ve got the crew for the streets (when we actually stick together and stay united).
7. We’ve got the marketing side down.
8. We’ve got younger guys who are hungry to push this group even further.
9. We have kids in the stands (bless 'em) and we have the Kansas City Chiefs, we have OUR KANSAS CITY CHIEFS who came about because this group fought for them. In the last ten years, we’ve kicked out three different management boards; other groups can't even be bothered to lift a finger, let alone handle business. We’ve got the foundation for the future, we just need to get everyone pulling in the same direction. If these young guns pull it off, we’ll be in another galaxy.

That’s what we have RIGHT NOW, but whether we still have it by 2018 is anyone's guess. The changes happening today won't really show results for another two or three seasons. Whether that outcome is good or bad for the group depends entirely on whoever takes the reins during the next assembly. Look, I’m an optimist by nature. A total positive guy. I believe in the good stuff!

As for what dueleggie was rambling about, it doesn't have anything to do with the group itself; it’s about the mentality and the DNA of our people. That's just how we are. These issues he’s whining about existed in '83, '94, 2004, and 2012... they'll still be here in 2025 because it's baked into our default setting. What kind of people are we? Well, just look at the state of this country.

Man, this is all just a load of crap about things we 100% don't actually have... and even the stuff we do have is useless without those things... honestly, your post is a textbook example of what destroys a group... too much idealism and not enough reality check...

1. What "muscle"? What "change" have we actually brought about? When was our last real fight? Has the code even been adopted? Most people cared more about seeing their own banner fly than anything else.
2. We "have respect" only because we're loud on the internet and occasionally make a splash at European away games, if that even counts... but the apple is rotten to the core. Social layers?? Please. For the last year or two, people have been mocking the Black Knights all over town, except for the few guys who never left their tiny neighborhood and think having 120 identical murals of the Kansas City Chiefs logo crammed into two square feet is peak culture... being "1950" is basically a synonym for a joke; it’s no wonder people lose it when someone starts acting like a big shot after a campaign.
5. There’s been some movement, sure, but we’ve barely reached the level of being able to drink two beers properly without making a mess, rushing things, or acting like idiots and throwing cheap shots when it's totally unnecessary.
6. When was the last time we actually held our own on the street? And I’m not talking about some 5-on-5 or 10-on-10 little skirmish, I mean as a cohesive group.

Don't even try to argue with me on this, I'll just end up losing my mind...

p.s. eurostar is right—I don't know who they are, but I'm glad to see more and more that the younger guys actually understand what the hell is going on.

@feralwolf16/">@@feralwolf16-👍

Are you kidding me right now? What even is this... 🤷

Some guy I know—I won't say who—told me this is just an old, broken system;
If you've got a problem with how things are run, stop whining on the internet. Get out there, grab a crew, and actually make a change instead of just bitching for the sake of it.

It is refreshing to see such a constructive dialogue unfolding here, even if our perspectives vary quite a bit.

I will offer my own thoughts, attempting to capture the general pulse of the stands—or rather, this forum—given the diverse crowd we have here. 😁

On a personal note, I found the situation regarding Saša being sidelined somewhat grating, primarily because of how it was handled and the local rumors circulating about the "reasons" behind his departure. It turned out that he wasn't actually forced out; instead, he reached an agreement with the leadership. In my view, that speaks volumes about his character—it shows his ego isn't larger than the group or the Black Knights.

The biggest shortcoming of the Black Knights over the years has always been the actual cheering. Let’s be honest: fans are called fans for one reason—they cheer. This group has historically struggled with that consistency. During Saša’s tenure, things reached a new level, but people tend to overlook the local crews who pushed those famous chants and organized the masses. We shouldn't forget the rest of the North stands either, which feels unfair; Saša isn't solely responsible for the improved atmosphere, nor was he always perfectly in sync with the songs. However, the guy showed up at every single game, and for that, I respect him. The group has evolved significantly across various sectors over the last few years because of collective effort, not just because of one man, despite what some might claim... it isn't as if he alone sets the choreography, lights the flares, or beats the drums. HE FIGHTS FOR OUR KANSAS CITY CHIEFS

The guys stepping up now have genuinely impressed me with their vision for the stadium—specifically the idea of distributing the leadership. They are proving that the energy doesn't have to hinge on a single individual. If any reasonable person wants to see success, they should simply continue this trajectory.

The greatest challenge of their term lies ahead: revitalizing the rest of the stands so they feel invested in the group's work. They need to foster unity and cohesion between different local factions and neighborhoods. The goal should be to make everyone in the North feel like they are part of a singular Black Knights identity rather than separate, isolated entities. Organizing social gatherings, meetups, or just casual hangouts is vital, as that is what truly binds a crew together. 😁 I also believe that order and hierarchy are necessary, but not in the form of a single dictator.

I won't dwell on the past or engage in comparisons; the past is gone, and there is no sense in revisiting it other than to learn from mistakes. We need to look forward, focus on the future, and figure out how to improve.

Finally, to those claiming we aren't anyone special: we aren't the top tier of Europe, sure, but we are certainly near the top, so don't underestimate us. Whenever we've traveled to face the elite fanbases, we have never once brought shame upon ourselves.

The only thing left is that we need to practice more alongside the rivals. We could coordinate training sessions with the guys from the city; I hear they are about to start their own drills soon. 😁

US Army!

rustyangler122 said:...life just brings its own share of things, both the beautiful stuff and the rough patches. People pass away, people are born; some grow past it, others are just getting started. Some handle it one way, some another, and I guess it’s all just NATURAL, nothing out of the ordinary... the real question is how an individual processes it—how someone cries buckets of tears, or breaks a sweat, or burns through their nerves, or whatever else... making SACRIFICES right now is arguably harder, regardless of how much I participate in supporting the Black Knights as a group...
...and please, don't lecture me about the 80s. I suppose I know enough to feel the weight of those days, along with the weight of others too... personally, I think being a fan is incomparably tougher now than it was back then. There is just so much more PRESSURE coming from every possible angle... back in the day, you had a tight-knit circle of maybe a hundred people, mostly from Miami, (I'm certainly not dismissing the regional chapters from back then, heaven forbid), but the atmosphere felt "healthier" (though perhaps not in the most literal sense🙂). Nowadays, time flies, and people mostly know each other through phones, online forums, or second-hand info. Basically, mass appeal has brought a whole new set of headaches. Everyone has, quite simply, become a part of the Black Knights overnight, and I suspect quality got lost somewhere in those numbers. Here is a nice little memory, which to me feels like the start of something new...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zgcno49ewiw

That’s all well and good, but I have one question: in what specific way did quality drop just because the numbers went up? Is it the choreographies? The chanting? Away games? The energy at away matches, or on the streets, or during the flares? When exactly did the Black Knights have that quality that was supposedly so much better than today... was it in the 80s? Maybe you just don't remember quite like that...

Just tell me what you guys need ☕

steeltrucker said:🙂🙂 I can't even look at this quote—honestly, someone please strike me with lightning so I can finally lose power and go dark...

And where’s the desire for a lightning bolt or just throwing up after hearing and reading these words:
The bylaws🙂
dominance🙂
the presidency😕
Elections 🙂 times ten
fan boycotts 😂
radicals 🤷
and basically equating party membership cards with the Black Knights.
,,,I mean, what are we even supposed to do now? 😂
etc etc
edit..
Term 😂

...it wasn't exactly difficult to state my position, even if things got a little heated toward the end🙂
...but, regardless of how it all went down, what you have is yours... just remember that. Nobody can take that away from you unless they actually challenge you with solid arguments. And even then, being able to own your truth plays a massive role, which I know isn't always easy. Some people will go their whole lives without ever speaking up; they'll just bottle everything up and defend their views without ever looking in a mirror, standing inches away from someone they secretly blame for how they feel... I don't know, maybe sometimes it's better that way, though most of the time, it probably isn't...
...I'm worried about us splitting apart, but there's no gray area here—it's either black or white, and it’s on all of us to stop this. Are we actually learning anything from our mistakes? Or are we just repeating them?
...even though I tried to lay out the situation without making it a whole thing, and I probably didn't say anything particularly groundbreaking... well, if you get it, you get it...
...I'll be the first to step up and take the blame for how things turned out. Honestly, it's on me!

http://www.blackknights.org/ 😁

What kind of pilgrims 🤣 🤦

Benjamin Cruz29 said:Look, I get what you're saying, but I have one question: where exactly did quality drop off compared to the numbers? Is it the choreographies? The chanting? Showing up at away games? The atmosphere on the streets or during the big flares? When did the Black Knights actually have that level of quality that just blew everyone else out of the water compared to today... back in the 80s? Maybe you just don't remember...

...YOU HAVE A POINT. It all really comes down to how people interact with each other; it doesn't actually matter how many years have passed or which specific era we're talking about. Still, I think you have to draw a parallel there. More people means more egos, more people trying to stand out, more voices, more "complexes," and more responsibility to manage... there are these new unwritten rules in play now. You've got one group wanting to chant, another wanting to light flares, a third just waiting around, a fourth drifting aimlessly, and a fifth who couldn't care less. Try pulling all of that together into one cohesive unit—that's the real issue.🤷

It’s funny watching how certain people—mostly these online keyboard warriors—shift their stances over time. They go from being the most bitter pessimists, constantly starting mindless arguments and comparing "the good old days" to now, to performing these completely delusional deep dives into the group's situation.
No debate is actually going to get us anywhere, or rather, nothing will bear fruit as long as we focus on tangible things. It doesn't matter which individual we talk about, which flag we wave, which flare we light, or what paper we print.
What truly matters lives in people's heads. If everyone had the right awareness and mindset, there wouldn't even be a need for these debates. Instead, there would just be actionable plans: ways to fight corruption in football at every level, and meaningful ways to push back against a system designed to shut you down at every turn.
Once you have that clarity in your head, flares, banners, and flyers become mere tools to reach the ultimate goal. Unfortunately, around here, the conversation stays shallow because everyone is obsessed with those secondary details.
The fan culture in Miami has been so distorted that the entire city acts like one giant supporter group, where every single person—regardless of age, gender, or anything else—considers themselves an expert on fandom. And everyone will agree: it’s not like that.
That’s why we’ll struggle to ever truly be a organized supporter group and will always just be a high-energy crowd.

Exceptions exist, of course!

LONG LIVE THE ULTRAS!

Matthew Foster8 said:Where’s that urge to scream at the sky and throw up? I feel it every time I hear or read this crap.
Rules. Just more fine print to deal with.🙂
Just more of the same old control. Same tired power trips we've seen a thousand times before. Honestly, I'm over it.🙂
The board of directors. Always a mess.😕
Elections. Another mess. 🙂 Goddammit, seriously? This is just pathetic.
The fans are striking. Honestly, I can't say I blame them. Everything’s a mess lately. 😂
Radicals. Just what we need. 🤷
People thinking their membership cards make them part of the Black Knights? Give me a break. It’s all just empty gestures to me. 🙄
God, what are we even supposed to do now? 😂
Same old story. Always the same.

Man, what is up with these tracksuits? Seriously, those black Adidas sets are just depressing. What a joke.
What are these idiots even thinking?
What are these ultras even thinking? Seriously.
What are these drunks even talking about?
What are these guys even doing? I’m about to lose my mind.
Where'd that guy go? Back when I was actually around...
What are those guys even talking about? We’re the ones who built this whole thing from the ground up.
Just another day drifting through Miami coffee shops and neighborhoods. Same old routine since 1950, and honestly? It’ll never get old. Not even close.😁

When I look around my neighborhood, I see kids aged five, six, seven, even eight years old, all lined up wearing jerseys from Real Madrid, some unknown player, or Manchester United... but you don't see a single Kansas City Chiefs kit. I suppose we're still holding our own for now, and overall things are fine, but I find myself worrying about these younger generations.

I hope you guys catch my drift.☕

There aren't many people here who actually get the big picture. I guess it's almost pointless to debate this stuff on here; we could go on for days and get nowhere.