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Participants Sophia Thomas7silentcanyon58Adam Davis3Adam Jackson80William Watson3analogcanyon47Ronald Morales51electriccanyon26granitescout99Amanda Nguyen5brightseal3Jeffrey Ramos4Amy Reyesgoldenorca22Justin Rogers5William Lee34Paul Parker2ambertinker41Nicole Thomas3wearyowl29Daniel Perez6mistyhound2
Sophia Thomas7 Sophia Thomas7 Active MemberOP
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#1 ·
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1571222/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZ7JK...layer_embedded

This is definitely one I've got my eye on. We're talking Cronenberg with a cast featuring Michael Fassbender, Christian Bale, Keira Knightley, and Vincent Cassel.

A look at how the intense relationship between Carl Jung and Sigmund Freud gives birth to psychoanalysis.

It should be hitting theaters this November. Honestly, the whole Cronenberg & Viggo Mortensen tag team just hits right for me, so I'm counting down the days until this drops.
silentcanyon58 silentcanyon58 Active Member
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#2 ·
Hear, hear!

This is definitely something I’m counting down the days for! I absolutely adore Cronenberg; honestly, I think he’s easily one of the most brilliant directors working today.

To be totally honest, the subject matter isn't usually my cup of tea, but I have so much faith in him. He always manages to dig way deeper than just the surface level because he actually understands human emotion and knows exactly how to build real, gripping drama.

But wait... has Viggo Mortensen basically become his go-to actor at this point? 🙂
Adam Davis3 Adam Davis3 Newcomer
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#3 ·
Haven't gotten around to watching the movie yet, but I'm dying to check it out!🙂
Adam Jackson80 Adam Jackson80 Newcomer
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#4 ·
I'm also waiting for this movie with bated breath!
William Watson3 William Watson3 Newcomer
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#5 ·
Count me in—I can't wait to see this. Honestly, I'm just thrilled that Viggo Mortensen is starring in it... I caught him in Eastern Promises a few nights back and he was absolutely brilliant 👍
analogcanyon47 analogcanyon47 Newcomer
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#6 ·
Viggo Mortensen / Michael Fassbender / Keira Knightley / Vincent Cassel

The cast is spot on 😍 though the reviews aren't exactly anything to write home about
Ronald Morales51 Ronald Morales51 Member
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#7 ·
I caught a screening at the film festival yesterday, and I have to admit, I walked away feeling a bit let down—probably because my expectations were through the roof.
The plot feels incredibly flat and one-dimensional, which is baffling when you consider the subject matter: Jung and Freud. These are titans who shaped modern psychology; they possess such rich, complex minds, so I naturally expected a story with that same level of depth. Instead, the exploration of how psychoanalysis began, along with their actual ideas and dialogues, felt frustratingly superficial. While the cinematography is gorgeous, the movie lacks a certain soul. It honestly felt more like watching a mid-tier limited series where the scenes and conversations seem to drift aimlessly without any real momentum.
Don't get me wrong, it isn't a "bad" movie by any stretch of the imagination. But personally? I wouldn't go out of my way to recommend it.

Rating: A film you'll likely forget by tomorrow.
electriccanyon26 electriccanyon26 Active Member
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#8 ·
Ronald Morales51 said:I caught a screening at the film festival yesterday, and I have to admit, I walked away feeling a bit let down—probably because my expectations were through the roof.
The plot feels incredibly flat and one-dimensional, which is baffling when you consider the subject matter: Jung and Freud. These are titans who shaped modern psychology; they possess such rich, complex minds, so I naturally expected a story with that same level of depth. Instead, the exploration of how psychoanalysis began, along with their actual ideas and dialogues, felt frustratingly superficial. While the cinematography is gorgeous, the movie lacks a certain soul. It honestly felt more like watching a mid-tier limited series where the scenes and conversations seem to drift aimlessly without any real momentum.
Don't get me wrong, it isn't a "bad" movie by any stretch of the imagination. But personally? I wouldn't go out of my way to recommend it.

Rating: A film you'll likely forget by tomorrow.

Every Cronenberg attempt at psychological drama seems thin... and I'm not expecting an "action" movie, because between Jung and Freud, there wasn't much more than their correspondence—purely intellectual action. I doubt Cronenberg can tackle this in his *own* style since he usually relies on shock value and visceral thrills. I also wouldn't be surprised if they inject typical Hollywood tropes into the historical facts. I might be pleasantly surprised, though; I'll give the film a chance—maybe even two.🙂
Ronald Morales51 Ronald Morales51 Member
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#9 ·
I wasn't really talking about the action scenes; honestly, I'm not one to be impressed by flashy spectacles or high-octane thrills. Generally speaking, I tend to gravitate toward films that are more static or even quasi-minimalist. Because of that, I don't necessarily go looking for those kinds of tropes when I sit down to watch something.
There were definitely moments in the movie that I enjoyed—I’m not calling the quality into question, per se—but I just expected a bit more substance given that they were profiling two such massive personalities and the dynamic between them.
At certain points, it felt almost as if the actors were just chatting while the cameras were off, like they were still trying to figure out what to say. It lacked that certain punch, that raw core that makes a scene stick with you.
That said, I'm genuinely curious to hear what everyone else thinks, because as I mentioned, my tastes tend to be a little unconventional.
electriccanyon26 electriccanyon26 Active Member
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#10 ·
Ronald Morales51 said:I wasn't really talking about the action scenes; honestly, I'm not one to be impressed by flashy spectacles or high-octane thrills. Generally speaking, I tend to gravitate toward films that are more static or even quasi-minimalist. Because of that, I don't necessarily go looking for those kinds of tropes when I sit down to watch something.
There were definitely moments in the movie that I enjoyed—I’m not calling the quality into question, per se—but I just expected a bit more substance given that they were profiling two such massive personalities and the dynamic between them.
At certain points, it felt almost as if the actors were just chatting while the cameras were off, like they were still trying to figure out what to say. It lacked that certain punch, that raw core that makes a scene stick with you.
That said, I'm genuinely curious to hear what everyone else thinks, because as I mentioned, my tastes tend to be a little unconventional.

Fair enough. Me neither—I just wanted to point out that Cronenberg doesn't strike me as the right director for this kind of story, even though I know how much he loves that subject matter. Honestly, when I first heard he was making a movie about Carl Jung and Sigmund Freud giving birth to psychoanalysis, my first thought was: can you even make a movie about that? And more specifically, how would he handle it? But looking at your take, I suspect it might miss the mark, since his films often lack that core emotional punch... it's a shame, but I'll definitely give it a watch.
granitescout99 granitescout99 Newcomer
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#11 ·
I actually thought it was pretty good. It’s fun and, at times, totally lighthearted, but I wasn't expecting Cronenberg to dive into this with some heavy, ultra-serious analytical approach anyway. Honestly, it's way better than that mediocre Eastern Promises.
Amanda Nguyen5 Amanda Nguyen5 Active Member
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#12 ·
Honestly, this was easily the most boring of the "big" movies this year, and even among the total flops. If I hadn't been stuck in a packed theater during the Sundance Film Festival wrap-up, I would've walked out after twenty minutes.

Just awful. Absolutely awful. Total horror. Horror.
brightseal3 brightseal3 Member
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#13 ·
It’s not great, honestly... even if the cinematography is decent, the movie itself feels pretty weak. I was really hoping for a much deeper "Jung and Freud" style analysis and some heavy-hitting discussion, but everything felt watered down and thin. To make matters worse, some of the scenes with Keira Knightley come off looking like nothing more than soft-core porn. I expected so much more from this—way better—but I just can't find any sense of direction in it. Honestly, unless you're already deeply immersed in the whole world of psychoanalysis and the lives of Jung / Freud, you're probably going to feel totally lost.

3/10
silentcanyon58 silentcanyon58 Active Member
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#14 ·
I was honestly looking forward to this one, mostly just because of Cronenberg. To be totally blunt, the subject matter holds zero interest for me, but hey, you can't argue with a powerhouse cast. It’s becoming pretty obvious that Viggo Mortensen has become Cronenberg's go-to guy. I have to admit, though, this might be one of the director's weakest efforts. Without having done much homework on the background of the story, I dove into this celluloid mess headfirst—sort of like a kid jumping into a swimming pool without checking the depth—and I stayed stuck in that state of confusion right up until those sweet, sweet end credits rolled. Look, I know I have some blame here; after all, how do you even approach a movie that doesn't pique your interest in the first place? You find yourself wondering what on earth the director was thinking! But I guess there's no excuse, even if he does have plenty of experience dealing with psychoses (no pun intended). As the scenes kept rolling and the characters kept talking, I just couldn't find my footing in the plot or the acting... honestly, the only thing keeping my focus was staring at the rather frail Keira Knightley... good grief, someone please get that woman a sandwich! It makes me wonder, can an actor's physical appearance really distract that much from their actual performance? I don't know, tell me if I'm crazy. I suppose she did alright? As for Viggo Mortensen, he seemed to do exactly what was required of him, but even for a talent like that, he felt like a total shadow of himself here. And don't even get me started on Vincent Cassel! He just breezes in and out of the film without leaving a mark. If anyone was actually trying to hold this whole chaotic mess together, it was Michael Fassbender. This was truly a bad film.
Jeffrey Ramos4 Jeffrey Ramos4 Active Member
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#15 ·
Keira Knightley really missed the mark here, especially in the first half. Her performance felt off, and she just didn't seem to have the range for this kind of role. On the flip side, Viggo Mortensen and Michael Fassbender were absolutely stellar—they clearly leaned into their characters and had a blast doing it. Since I've always been fascinated by how Carl Jung and Sigmund Freud gives birth to psychoanalysis, seeing that dynamic translated onto the screen was pretty intriguing...
brightseal3 brightseal3 Member
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#16 ·
Viggo Mortensen and Michael Fassbender are definitely solid actors, but let's be real, they both have the chops to tackle much bigger roles than these...
Amy Reyes Amy Reyes Newcomer
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#17 ·
I caught a screening last night... nothing to write home about.
Keira Knightley - a complete letdown.
goldenorca22 goldenorca22 Newcomer
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#18 ·
I watched this solely because of the director (though I probably should have stayed away).
And while I’ve voiced my dissatisfaction with History of Violence and Eastern Promises in the past, this is significantly worse.
Viggo Mortensen and Michael Fassbender are perfectly fine, and Keira Knightley seems like she belongs in an entirely different movie... but one has to wonder, what was the point of this film at all?
Justin Rogers5 Justin Rogers5 Active Member
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#19 ·
Honestly, I wouldn't mind if Michael Fassbender just beat me with that stick.🤣😍
electriccanyon26 electriccanyon26 Active Member
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#20 ·
A film exploring the six-year friendship between Carl Jung and Sigmund Freud, focusing on how that bond shaped Jung’s trajectory as he began his career in psychiatry. It sheds significant light on his romantic connection with the American woman Sabina Spielrein, one of the early female pioneers in psychoanalysis. The story kicks off when she is admitted to Jung’s clinic due to a neurotic disorder, two years before he even meets Freud.

Keira Knightley delivers a fascinating performance; Sabina is perhaps the most compelling figure here, especially given her role in the overarching narrative. Her fractured psyche is particularly gripping at the start, though the specific details of her illness aren't laid bare. It’s clear her struggles stem from sexual frustration, yet we never learn which pivotal discovery led to her recovery—what the core of her issue actually was. She remains shrouded in mystery, leaving a lingering sense of dissatisfaction because certain pressing questions go unanswered. Ultimately, it seems to be the director's choice to avoid over-explaining the mechanics of psychoanalysis, preferring instead to focus on other elements.

Sabina was naturally a highly sexual person, and whether she was truly "cured" remains ambiguous—at least within the context of this film. This supports Jung's theory that people don't benefit from merely being confronted with their frustrations, especially if viewed through the narrow lens of sexuality alone; this fundamental disagreement between Jung and Freud is handled brilliantly here. The dialogue between the two men is the film's strongest asset. In almost every line spoken, you can catch glimpses of the profound ideas held by these two giants.

There is certainly a heavy intellectual component, but Cronenberg manages to approach the subject matter with such meticulous detail that the result never feels dry, despite the fact that this true story isn't inherently cinematic. I was personally quite skeptical about how this would work—I didn't realize there was a stage play involved—especially since the most critical moments of their relationship hinge on Jung recounting his dreams to Freud and a passing mention of some sort of "murky tide of occultism."

Viggo Mortensen plays Sigmund Freud as an unusual man of few words—extremely restrained, arrogant, with a gaze that conveys coldness, confidence, and a deadly resolve, but also deep-seated vanity, envy, and bitterness. His interpretation has incredible depth; it was a huge surprise to me.

Freud was fearless in defending his theories. He handled the lack of respect from the scientific community at the time with dignity while building a following. He sought a reputation as a pragmatic scientist who had established a legitimate method for uncovering the soul, discarding any moral or religious "deceptions" associated with it. However, that hunger for authority eventually obstructed his pursuit of the truth. Jung, on the other hand, wasn't afraid of being cast out; he was a much more persistent and courageous fighter, willing to sacrifice far more than just his status. Michael Fassbender is, as expected, excellent in his role.

I'm not sure how much of this lands without some background knowledge of the actual history, so I've looked into the details to somewhat justify the film for those unfamiliar with the era. There are moments where characters leave thoughts unfinished when they should have completed them. The non-linear structure might also be a drawback for some. It goes without saying that this is the most unconventional Cronenberg film to date—and I found it exceptional. Perhaps I'm being unrealistic, but for me, this is a 9/10. 🙂

p.s. I'll admit I'd find it hard to recommend this to my casual friends, but I'd definitely suggest it to the Jung enthusiasts. 🙂

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