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Why are moderators allowed to troll without consequences?

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Participants bluecyclist64Sandra Gonzalez3Nicholas KingDaniel Ward87rustydrifter10cosmicskipper39Susan Price30Christian Taylor3crimsonscout19Larry Walker24Karen Rodriguez3Scott Hall39
Karen Rodriguez3 Karen Rodriguez3 Active Member
80 messages
joined Apr 2017
#21 ·
Look, maybe if you'd just 🤦 slow down and actually read what's being said, that "background" stuff wouldn't keep bothering you so much.
This was originally about the context regarding bluecyclist64 and the observer, not you and whatever rant you're on here, Lord—which I guess is what esqela mentioned earlier, but you won't even try to jump in and defend the situation since you clearly don't get it. It kind of calls your own take on the background into question, too. But hey, just so we're clear, it's a pretty simple concept.😁
Susan Price30 Susan Price30 Regular
304 messages
joined Feb 2017
#22 ·
Nicholas King said:What you stubbornly refuse to grasp is the simple fact that you aren't even the subject of this discussion. Trying to play the victim—while layering on those conspiracy theories—is honestly laughable.

I have no interest in your personal business or anything regarding you personally; my only concern is the establishment of clear criteria and their consistent enforcement across this forum. If a female user isn't allowed to tell a moderator to grow up, yet a moderator can call a user paranoid (by wrapping it in a YouTube clip as the sole content of a post), then there is zero consistency to be found here, regardless of how one tries to spin it.

I agree. Furthermore, suggesting that someone here has "hidden" motives—when it is impossible to truly know anyone's intentions or why they think what they think—is equally arrogant.

The actual motive might simply be that certain people desire consistent rule enforcement. Or perhaps it is that, regardless of any "background" context, people should still maintain basic civility. If they cannot, then it is merely an issue with that specific individual, and no one else.

Or, ultimately, Nicole could claim she was "provoked" after receiving a warning (after the Religion moderator ignored her previous response and just repeated the question). It is just as likely that anyone who has ever been sanctioned here could claim they were "provoked," but once the warning is issued, the "context" of the situation rarely serves as a valid excuse.
Susan Price30 Susan Price30 Regular
304 messages
joined Feb 2017
#23 ·
In fact, I believe I am polite toward those forum members who come here simply to vent without any ulterior motives. However, I have no intention of bending over backward to offer hypocritical or false kindness to malicious individuals like bluecyclist64—at least not until their insults and dirty tricks are actually sanctioned. Until then, I reserve the right to speak my mind plainly, even if it results in my posts being deleted, getting a warning, or even being removed from the moderation team entirely if necessary.

But you can never truly know someone's intentions or motives (or at least not enough of them) to claim that anyone has "hidden agendas" just because they are expressing an opinion on something.

Similarly, on several occasions, the moment someone offers even the slightest critique regarding your work as a moderator for the most trivial matter (on the PŽK subforum), you immediately attempt to discredit the user. You start with insults or mockery, using that recognizable phrase of yours to label them as "malicious," even when it's established that the person isn't acting out of malice but simply making a valid point. That is the core issue: you seem to think you are right to do this, rather than providing the "false politeness" that no one actually asks for. For me, the communication style of rustydrifter10 (or Uncle Strile) doesn't look like "false politeness" at all; it's just a reflection of character and culture. Anything else might be described for what it truly is: primitivism. Or perhaps a fundamental failure to understand that respect shouldn't be earned, which, in my view, is itself a form of primitivism.
bluecyclist64 bluecyclist64 RegularOP
369 messages
joined Oct 2011
#24 ·
I apologize for the delay in my response; I had good reason to wait until my 500-point penalty expired.

Kevin Williams56 said:Yeah, yeah, yeah... and before this, no amount of paranoia was making him imagine moderators who aren't even moderating this subforum, or others watching from the sidelines just waiting to see how he gets punished.

Please don't try to pin paranoia on me. There is a thread regarding circumcision documented in two different PDFs, and both you and Uncle Strile went out of your way to target me.

You're taking this far too personally. You aren't important; nobody is following you or paying you special attention. Your ban was deserved. There is absolutely no need to troll on PŽK by making false and baseless accusations, because if that wasn't paranoia, then trolling definitely is.

Actually, you *are* important because you are a moderator. And as such, you are free to lie and claim that I was making false and baseless accusations.

And finally, we all know you've been having "problems" with me for quite some time, and now it seems it's with Strilet too, but you'll have to wait for a better opportunity to lash out; this one is practically useless to you.

Best of luck finding that better opportunity. 👋

I haven't had any issues with you at all until my stance on the absurdity of circumcision provoked you, which is why you managed to slap me with a 500-point penalty for racism. It’s because you felt personally attacked, of course—not because of actual Nazism, but simply because I oppose circumcision.
So please, stop inventing this idea that I've had problems with you "for quite some time."
As for my issues with Strilet, that is none of your business.

Daniel Ward87 said:Regarding trolling, far more trolling posts get deleted on PŽK than the one containing the YouTube link, let alone outright insults. It doesn't matter who posted them, whether they were moderators or regular users. That is why the post was removed without a penalty.

However, if I or someone equally "likable" had made a similar post, we would have received a penalty, and both of us know that very well. In fact, it isn't just the two of us; it's obvious.

Kevin Williams56 said:Why exactly are you seeking preferential treatment on the PŽK compared to the moderators of specific subforums—whether for yourself or for bluecyclist64?

This is, quite frankly, nothing more than complete and utter nonsense, entirely detached from any semblance of reality or fact.

Are you planning to silence the PŽK and the moderators who have been unfairly targeted and accused? If so, this entire space will simply turn into a podium reserved exclusively for those of you self-proclaimed "crusaders for forum justice" and your legalistic advocates.

Has anyone here actually called someone out for being paranoid lately? 🥳

As far as I’m concerned, I won't be budging. I don't care if they have to resort to banning people or issuing strikes just to maintain some semblance of order; I'll stand my ground. I truly hope the moderators don't end up folding under the pressure of this latest wave of self-righteous "internet crusaders" looking to police everyone else's business.

Don't sweat it too much. As long as you're holding down a moderator position, getting a warning is going to be a pretty tall order.
Well, at this rate, they might as well start charging us by the pound for the cardboard packaging too. 🤣
What exactly are you afraid of? You aren't going to die from this. If you have any doubts, just go talk to the guys in the trauma ward at Mayo Clinic—they’ve seen much worse.

I’ve been reflecting on the recent discussions regarding esqella, and I find myself increasingly skeptical about the direction things are heading. It seems we are constantly circling the same drain, hoping for a different outcome while ignoring the obvious patterns staring us in the face. I remember back when I was working for a logistics firm in Chicago, dealing with similar bureaucratic hurdles. We thought we had everything streamlined, only to realize that the underlying structure was fundamentally flawed from day one. Much like our current situation here, no amount of superficial tweaking can fix a broken foundation. It requires a level of systemic overhaul that most people—and certainly most institutions—are simply unwilling to undertake because it’s inconvenient. There is a certain weariness that sets in when you realize that the voices calling for change are often the ones least equipped to implement it. We see it time and again: plenty of noise, very little substance, and a complete lack of accountability. It’s exhausting to watch the same mistakes being repeated under the guise of "progress." At some point, one has to stop expecting excellence from systems designed for mediocrity. kaže:
If you take the time to dig through the appeal logs, you'll see exactly how this thread starter operates. They’re out there leveling accusations against other members, claiming someone is lying when they don't even have the slightest clue if they're actually talking about them. It's a classic case of making assumptions without any actual proof. 😁
By the way, I'm not actually talking about him.

No, you’re simply being dishonest. Besides, how could you possibly have any idea what’s actually going on here?

Susan Price30 said:Is this a matter of old guard versus the new wave? I find myself weighing the merits of tradition against the inevitable march of progress lately. It’s a question that seems to resurface whenever a foundational pillar starts to show its age. I remember back when I was starting out in my first corporate role in Chicago, there was this one senior partner who refused to touch anything that wasn't printed on physical paper. He was the quintessential "old guard." At the time, I thought his ways were archaic, almost stubborn. But looking back through a more seasoned lens, I realize he held a level of discipline and attention to detail that we often sacrifice today in our rush to automate everything. There was a certain weight to his decisions because they weren't made at the speed of a frantic email chain. Of course, you can't just cling to the past out of pure sentimentality. If the old way of doing things prevents growth or ignores glaring modern realities, then staying stuck is just ego masquerading as principle. But there's also something to be said for the wisdom that comes from having seen multiple cycles of boom and bust. The newcomers bring energy and tech-savviness, certainly, but they often lack the institutional memory required to avoid repeating the same expensive mistakes. So, I suppose it depends on what exactly we are debating. Are we talking about leadership, culture, or just technical methodology? In my experience, the most successful organizations aren't the ones that choose a side, but the ones that figure out how to bridge the gap between seasoned intuition and modern efficiency. One provides the foundation; the other provides the momentum. Without both, you're either drifting aimlessly or spinning your wheels in the mud.😁I don't recall anyone ever approaching a PZK appeal back then—even with a perfectly reasonable opening post—by being that vulgar or direct. It was unheard of. To just launch into an insult like calling someone "paranoid" right out of the gate? A total verbal blitzkrieg from the very first sentence. Honestly, it was unprecedented.

I appreciate the support. It isn't just about me, though—it’s for everyone on this board whose legitimate grievances have been met with nothing but immediate hostility from the site's bureaucracy.

Kevin Williams56 said:I’m not dreaming about anything, my friend. Your behavior—along with a few other regulars who clearly have nothing better to do than bother everyone else by suddenly "discovering" the PŽK—makes it obvious you’re just dreaming of silencing the moderators and securing special treatment within the PŽK.

So, how’s that whole thing with those flying guys from the Midwest going?

Are you seriously asking if this can work? You still haven't realized it's impossible. My post was deleted, yet bluecyclist64's trolling remains right where he left it.

Is that fatal wound of yours still bleeding? Such a heavy punishment, truly devastating...

What kind of punishment would I want? My head on a silver platter, perhaps? 😛

As far as I'm concerned, the best solution would be for you to step down as a moderator.

I don't regret a thing. I have absolutely no intention of apologizing to bluecyclist64... he hasn't done anything to warrant an apology.

And that quote right there proves it really is time for you to move on.

The only way I'll even consider an apology is after he apologizes for that specific post of his. Nothing before then.

Which one, buddy? It’s never been an issue for me to apologize when I'm in the wrong.

Look, La Familia, it isn't a problem at all. In fact, I think I'm quite polite to the users who actually come here to vent without any hidden agendas. But I have zero intention of bending over backward or being hypocritically nice to malicious types like bluecyclist64, at least not until their insults and traps start getting sanctioned. Until then, I reserve the right to speak my mind plainly, even if it means having my posts deleted, getting flagged, or even being stripped of my moderator status if necessary.

1. I am not being malicious.
2. What insults or traps? What are you talking about? Can you give me an example?
3. It's necessary, it's just that we haven't reached a critical mass yet. But with this attitude, you're only going to accelerate your own downfall.
Scott Hall39 Scott Hall39 Member
35 messages
joined Oct 2010
#25 ·
Why is this observer being tolerated? What exactly did he do to earn a moderator position for all these years? He’s hands down the worst moderator on this entire board—completely biased and malicious. And the absolute worst part? If you dare point out his mistakes, he hunts you down like a bounty hunter.

How many more people have to call out the fact that he's a terrible moderator before they finally fire him?
rustydrifter10 rustydrifter10 Regular
693 messages
joined Apr 2011
#26 ·
Nicole, seriously, you’ve gotta stop jumping into everyone else's complaints! Every single time someone starts a new thread about a problem they're dealing with, you immediately turn it into this long-winded saga about your own points, even though we've already read pages upon pages of text about them.
cosmicskipper39 cosmicskipper39 Active Member
71 messages
joined Jan 2012
#27 ·
I don't even know where to start with this one. Honestly, I'm just staring at my screen in disbelief. What happened there? It’s like common sense just flew right out the window. Seriously, how does anyone look at that situation and think it’s okay? It’s ridiculous. Absolute nonsense. My head is spinning just trying to process the sheer stupidity of it all. I'm actually annoyed now. Just... wow. Unbelievable. kaže:
Sorry I didn't jump in sooner, but I had my reasons. I was basically just sitting here waiting for my 500-point pass to expire before saying anything.

That’s a brilliant strategy right there. Really top-tier stuff. Now you can just go ahead and bravely keep doubling down on those baseless accusations that McAuliffe, cosmicskipper39, and Observer are all lying through their teeth...

No, you're just straight-up lying. Besides, how the hell would you even know what's actually going on?

It’s honestly pathetic. I barely even touch political news, yet somehow I still have a better grasp on how those losers from the politics board are bleeding into this sub than you do. I’m not gonna sit here and say anything else, though—I’ve got no interest in wasting my breath when you're busy accusing me of lying for no reason.

So, what’s the deal with that whole thing involving those flying Canadians?

I know exactly how this goes. Look, I love her, and honestly, I’ve posted about her on here plenty of times without anyone coming after me or getting me banned, but for you? I'd actually go there. I don't even know where to start with this one. Just... wow. Absolute madness. It would've been a much better fit.
Look, I’ve never been the type to let my ego get in the way. If I screw up? I say it. I apologize. Period. It's really not that deep.

Look, you're mostly wrong. Seriously. You can give me an apology whenever you feel like it. 🙂

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