2012 British GP @ Silverstone

Jason Campbell70 said:Oh, really?

Yeah, totally.

ruggedfox28 is looking ahead at what’s coming next🤣 .

Man, that race was honestly such a snooze fest... I was really banking on some rain to spice things up, but instead, we just got stuck with this underwhelming mess. A few overtakes here and there, sure, but mostly just a bunch of manufactured drama that Blaž kept feeding us...

Oh, come on, where was the rain? Why didn't you at least give us a little bit of a downpour?

Raymond Anderson4 said:ruggedfox28 is looking ahead🤣

🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

I mean, I saw it too, but honestly... it’s way more likely that Jason Campbell70 messed up an edit before I suddenly become some kind of god... 😬

Jason Campbell70 said:Still feeling skeptical?

Yeah, we’re good. It’s just that by the time we hit Heidelberg and Canada, our only real shot at winning is if the guys ahead of us decide to quit.

Massa was on fire today, so don't let that give you a false sense of security.

A forum dedicated to the creator's broadcast style. ☕

Jason Campbell70 said:So modern cars don't have more advanced suspension (and ultimately way more efficient ones) in terms of design or execution?

Well, obviously, if we're choosing to ignore how Williams had active suspension like 20 years ago. I mean, we could go down that rabbit hole too, I guess.

And yeah, thanks a million, Vox fixed the glitch, whatever that actually means. I was seriously starting to worry I wouldn't even be able to watch the race.

They definitely have better suspension, it's just more about weight, aquaplaning, and how much water the tires can clear... Advanced suspension when and where, under what conditions? You can't be fast and efficient on dry tracks if you're also great in the wet... you know, suspension is designed around aerodynamics and high speeds... As soon as those factors drop, it might be slower in the rain than some old car... What I'm trying to say is that maybe the weaknesses of those old cars on dry tracks were actually an advantage in the wet compared to today... mass and stuff... I just think there are way too many variables we don't get and can't really judge... but why does MotoGP race under certain conditions while F1 doesn't? I feel like that should be pretty obvious.

placidsurfer9 said:They have better suspension, but this is really about weight, aquaplaning, and how much water the tires displace... When does advanced suspension actually matter? Under what specific conditions? You can't be lightning-fast on dry pavement if you're also supposed to be perfect in the rain... you know, the suspension is built to work with aerodynamics and high speeds... Once those factors drop, they might actually be slower in the rain than an older car... What I’m trying to say is that maybe the weaknesses of those old cars on dry tracks were actually an advantage when things got wet, compared to today... mass and all that... I just think there are too many variables we don't fully grasp or can accurately predict... Besides, why does MotoGP race under certain conditions while F1 doesn't? That seems like a question that should have a clear answer.

It seems obvious that modern F1 cars are faster than the old ones, especially when it comes to "holding the line." Even in the rain.

So, we have a faster—and therefore better—car, yet unlike the slower cars of the past, today's machines stay off the track for various "reasons."

Of course, I'd be more than happy to share my take and prove it by comparing lap times from then versus now, but I just don't have the data right now.

The cars from back in the day were definitely faster. I’m specifically thinking about that era between 1999 and maybe 2005.
But honestly, that came down more to raw engine power than anything involving aerodynamics.

Just look at this.
The data from Barcelona this year: http://en.mclarenf-1.com/index.php?p...&gp=868&graf=3
And compare it to Barcelona back in 2000: http://en.mclarenf-1.com/index.php?p...t&gp=55&graf=3

Oops... if you guys are actually talking about even older cars, then just disregard my take.

And I wouldn't go so far as to say this season's Barcelona looks any different than it did during previous races at that track. 😁

You're thinking clearly enough, but your execution is lacking. 😁

I can't even deal with this right now. Just absolute garbage. Honestly, what are we even doing here? Total waste of my damn time. kaže:
Plus, they're sitting at number 5 overall.🙏
What a hell of a comeback season. Seriously.😁

Look at the standings. Just look at who’s ahead of him and especially who's sitting behind him. Honestly? I think this is his ceiling. People love to play the "what if" game—saying maybe he could've grabbed more points in certain races—but let's get real. Considering how much time he missed and looking at the grid he's fighting today, this is easily one of his best comeback seasons ever. Who actually saw this Lotus resurgence coming before the season even kicked off? Not me. At the start, the top six spots were basically locked down by Red Bull, McLaren, and Ferrari. Even Mercedes was feeling themselves, and Sauber was right there in the mix. Now? Everything has changed.
It’s pretty wild how this massive list of names keeps dragging on from the first one all the way down to the sixteenth, yet Kimi barely even gets a mention. Nobody’s picking fights with him, nobody's getting into scraps, and nobody’s giving him any grief either. He just stays out of the drama.🙂Like fifth place doesn't even exist!
Maybe just one more win, and we’re golden. I’ve got a feeling about Spa—it’s smelling like a victory to me.😉.
What's up, Kimi fans!😉

Move of the day:

First pit stops - Lewis Hamilton 3.3, Button 3.3, next fastest is 3.8 😁

Nathan Fisher24 said:Move of the day:

First pit stops—Lewis Hamilton at 3.3, Button 3.3, next fastest was 3.8😁

I bet they even had some faster ones, like 2.8 sec

I’m not much of a fan of Fernando Alonso, but kudos to him for the entire weekend. That pole position was well-earned, followed by
a solid race performance. Honestly, he deserved today's win more than his previous victory.
He really squeezed everything out of those tires and held his ground at the finish. If it had been
any other driver, Mark Webber probably would have lapped him two or three laps earlier.
On a lighter note: whenever Sebastian Vettel wins, people always claim it’s just because of the car,
as most critics suggest. But how do you explain today? The Ferrari was so
fast that Felipe Massa managed to grab fourth place.😁At this point, anything less than a podium for Alonso
would have been an embarrassment. His second-place finish was simply the result of a lightning-fast car, which is
the bare minimum he should have achieved here.😬

Jason Clark14 said:I think they were even lower, maybe around 2.8 seconds.

It is entirely plausible that McLaren was hitting 2.8 while everyone else struggled to stay under 3.3.
The crux of the matter is that they improved by half a second compared to the field, 🙂
and they did it during a phase where it supposedly didn't even matter for their final standing.
When the battle for the podium gets intense, though, his team tends to
leave Lewis Hamilton 😁 out in the cold.

Is it just me, or was Massa actually faster than Alonso in that last stint? Seems like the Ferrari just falls apart when the fuel load drops and they're on softer tires. At the start, when he was fueled up, Vettel couldn't even touch Massa on those softs.

Solid race.
Unfortunately, Ferrari paid the price again by messing up their tire strategy.
One thing still bugs me, though. Felipe Massa had already been running on them, so the pit wall should have had the data they needed. I guess they thought they were in the clear, but clearly, they weren't. It’s a shame about the win, though second place is a decent consolation prize. The bigger issue here is that losing out to a direct rival means double the damage to the standings.

Was Sebastian Vettel driving with some kind of damage for most of the race?

Roger Wright94 said:Was Vettel driving with damage throughout the whole race?

Yes. The right cascade on the front wing snapped, likely from contact with Mass at the start.

The exact same part took the same kind of hit during this year's Spanish GP, yet it didn't seem to slow him down one bit.

That was a solid race today.

Huge congrats to Mark Webber, he absolutely crushed it out there.
I’m really hoping Lotus can sort out their qualifying pace and those pit stops, because honestly? Even if they have a lightning-fast car, they’re never going to see a win if they keep messing up like that. 😢

Ashley Cook64 said:I was absolutely dying laughing🤣 when I turned on ORF and saw them just standing there right in front of the McLaren pit box while the mechanics....

practicing their tire changes😂😂😂😂

Well, isn't that just standard procedure for these teams leading up to a race? It might not happen a minute before the lights go out, but it’s perfectly normal for the mechanics to get "warmed up"🙂