Die-hard Ultras / Hardcore Supporters

Kimberly Robinson17 said:I think I already answered this myself ☕

p.s. honestly, you see more injuries from taxi driver disputes than you do in the fan scene here in the States🤷

Could you tell me how many people usually jump into these clashes? Is there a set number, or is it just whatever they agree on with the other crew?
I guess I’m part of that newer generation too... born from 2000 onwards... we don't really get the chance to show any grit at the games anymore. It feels like everything just boils down to throwing things or ambushing one or two cars. But then again, I know plenty of guys who have gotten into scraps in their own neighborhoods or cities way more often than at a stadium—sometimes they win, sometimes they don't, but that's not really the point. I suppose I've come to the conclusion that either we aren't being given the chance to prove ourselves, or maybe we were just born in the wrong era. Nowadays, if you try to defend yourself, you end up with a broken nose and potentially facing jail time. I might be talking nonsense here, but I'm just trying to explain that it isn't a lack of guts; it's just that when a single fight can completely wreck your life, you start thinking twice about whether it's actually worth getting involved.
There is so much talk about "modern fans" wearing white sneakers or Fred Perry shirts and all that nonsense, but I don't think that's the core issue. It's more about what being a fan used to mean—saving up a little cash, maybe pinching something here and there, hustling for quick money, heading out on a three-day away trip, or even just scraping by together. You just can't do those things anymore because times have changed and the laws are different now... 🤷

jademarlin54 said:First off, let me address rowdyfox21. Calling your friends clowns is just pathetic. If anything, you’re the one acting like a clown here, considering how those NN guys ended up in a massive feud with the Russians just because of us. I guess that says enough about who the real joke is. As for Pesca-Boys and Daniel Lopez4, they clearly spend way too much time watching YouTube drama. If they had ever actually been involved in a real stadium brawl or some serious fan rivalry, they’d know that having a solid gym presence matters far less than people think. There are plenty of other factors at play that determine the outcome, but maybe they wouldn't realize that if they weren't so glued to their screens.☕

Modern friendships honestly just drive me crazy lately. But this whole thing with NNB? That’s different. It was something that just happened naturally, and we've been at it for twenty years now—freedom for America. I can't see any real reason why people are trying to discredit them, or why they're attacking this friendship so aggressively. And as for the attack itself... well, hats off to whoever pulled it off. Especially when it feels like one of our own is behind it.

Regarding the whole conflict situation... honestly, they come from a city roughly the size of the entire United States, and I suspect they have more hooligans packed into their stands than the rest of the country combined. Realistically, the NFL Ultras are nowhere near on their level... especially when things actually get physical.

Casey Gomez3 said:Believe me when I say that if it were just us, you, and the NYT facing the Atlantic Front, we wouldn't make it. I really don't feel like explaining why—I think any sane person would see that immediately.

I wouldn't go that far, but hey, that's your take.

Anyway, the NYT went after the Russians. To be honest, it hurts seeing what people say about the NYT—those guys have heart and honor.

For me, that’s enough.

The Atlantic Front might be tougher when they're out on the streets, but looking at those stands, there’s just no way... honestly, anyone with eyes would tell you the same thing ☕

Benjamin Cruz29 said:I’ve never been much for these modern, superficial friendships... they just don't do it for me. But this bond with NNB is different; it happened naturally and we've been standing together for twenty years now (freedom for America), so I don't see any valid reason why people keep trying to discredit us or tear that friendship apart. And honestly, as far as those attacks go, hats off to them... especially when they're coming from our own side.

As for the clashes... man, they act like they come from a massive metropolis like New York City and think they have more hooligans than the entire United States combined. In reality, our NFL Ultras are nowhere near their level... not even close (at least when things get physical).

Blood, sweat, and tears... that's what it takes to get things done.

Ryan Chavez3 said:Who exactly have these NFL Ultras crossed paths with to justify talking all this trash about their own group? The suburbs aren't the inner city—there’s a difference. Someone should probably just post some zoomed-in photos of them getting caged at the stadium and call it a day. You guys are always stuck on these same tired stories. If you’re honestly so convinced that things are falling apart on the streets, maybe go hit the gym or spend some time at a wellness retreat or whatever—this is getting ridiculous. Actually, it’s already hilarious. 🙄

I mean, they’re just shooting blanks here—why didn't they hit the first group in Saint Petersburg?

I’ve got photos from back in the day—just us, no riot gear or anything like that—hanging out in a plaza with our scarves on. I mean, if we weren't even geared up, why didn't they come after us then?

It’s a total joke—honestly, you’d think we were talking about aliens or something.

If there weren't such a massive police presence in Miami—I mean, if the cops weren't swarming everywhere—those guys would have been absolutely leveled. It’s pretty obvious, really.

Timothy Chavez31 said:Since 2000, things have changed. You don't see people standing their ground at games anymore. It’s either just throwing stuff or everyone swarming one or two cars. Honestly, I know more guys who have scrapped in their own neighborhoods than I know people who fight at the stadium. Sometimes they win, sometimes they lose. It doesn't matter. My take is that we either aren't given the chance to show what we're made of, or we were born in the wrong era where you defend yourself, break someone's nose, and end up looking at a prison sentence. I might be talking nonsense here, but it's the truth. It isn't about lacking guts. It's just that one single fight can ruin your entire life. You stop and think if it's worth it. . 🤷

The bottom line is this: if you want to get into a scrap, you can. Just show up unorganized. Grab a drink at a bar, walk to the stadium with your crew, and there's a decent chance a fight breaks out. 🤷

Maybe I'm just getting old. But I don't see the appeal in traveling for an away game under heavy police escort. You're late because the cops held you up. You have to eat and use the restroom only when they say so. Then you get in trouble for lighting a flare. 🤷

P.S. One fight has always been enough to change a life. That was true then, and it's true now. ☕

Kimberly Robinson17 said:The bottom line—if you're looking for a fight—is that it's easy enough. You just stay under the radar, grab a drink at a bar, walk toward the stadium with your crew, and there's always a chance things will kick off.🤷

Maybe I’m just old-fashioned, but I don't see the appeal of traveling to an away game under heavy police escort. You end up being late for everything, you can't even grab a beer or hit the restroom whenever you want without permission—and then you get griefed later just because you lit a flare.🤷

p.s. A single brawl has always had the potential to change a life—today as much as ever, I suppose.☕

After that incident, we were wandering around St. Petersburg without any security at all, just messing around the city. We didn't have a single problem.

The fact that our local police were barely doing anything to protect them is a completely separate issue.

You guys are hilarious, honestly just kidding yourselves. These fan clashes always boil down to ten people throwing a brick and running away. I’ve been in plenty of situations where we were tossing stuff from fifty yards out without any intention of actually closing the distance—which basically doesn't happen in Russia anyway.

I'm sick of this bragging about how it isn't "real" hooliganism, saying you have to hit the gym or train like an animal just to act tough... instead of just talking nonsense on this forum about "other factors." What damn factors? Put the bottle and the spatula down, man, grow some balls, and face someone head-on instead of acting like a coward, throwing a brick from ten meters away and thinking you're some big-time hooligan.
Half of you idiots look like you washed up on shore, totally wasted on drugs and booze. I can't tell if I should punch you or take you to a shelter, yet here you are trying to defend America in Poland. Disgusting.

Keith Brown80 said:It’s all just noise, honestly. Why didn't they go after that first group back in St. Petersburg?

I actually have photos from when we were just hanging out in a plaza there, totally unarmed, just posing with some scarves, and they didn't even bat an eye.

It’s a complete joke, really—you'd think we were talking about aliens or something.

If there hadn't been such a massive police presence in Miami, things would have gone south fast, and everyone knows it.

Well... everyone has their pros and cons. If anyone is actually interested in the details regarding those Russians, they can just hit up their own forums or use Google Translate to realize it isn't the world-ending threat people make it out to be, and that's that.😁

Besides, we've got our own responsibilities here at home now.😛

Anyway, Peća is over here training while Darth Vader is having dinner with me, haha. Honestly, there's nothing quite like sitting down for a coffee when you're feeling this good.😁

Keith Brown80 said:They’re just talking nonsense. Why didn't they go after the first group back in St. Petersburg?

I’ve got photos of us just hanging out, no cops in sight, just posing with scarves in some plaza over there. So why didn't they crack down then?

It’s a total joke. Seriously, you'd think we were talking about aliens or something.

Even if there wasn't that massive police presence in Miami, they would've been absolutely wrecked. That much is obvious.

Were you even in Russia?

Funny how everyone complains when the cops are everywhere watching fans, acting like we all want to be left alone. But now that it's St. Petersburg, suddenly everyone's whining about how the police weren't there enough?
What's the actual issue here? Maybe it's because the Zenit fans played fair and didn't steamroll us. They could have easily crushed dozens of our small groups scattered across the city during those two or three days, but they didn't. Or did you guys actually *want* them to crush every single one of our groups in that typical North American way, just so you could come home and whine about "cowards" who group up to throw quiet provocations?

Charles Bishop48 said:Have you actually been to Russia?

So, I’m apparently the one with the issue because police presence is everywhere whenever fans are involved—everyone suddenly wants their space—but now that we're talking about St. Petersburg, everyone's acting like there wasn't a single cop in sight?
What's the actual problem here? Maybe it's just that the Zenit fans played fair and didn't trample us—even though they could have easily wiped out dozens of our smaller groups scattered across the city over those 2-3 days. Or maybe you guys were just hoping they'd steamroll every little group using that classic North American style, just so you could head back home and whine about how we're all "cowards" for grouping up and throwing quiet provocations...

If I hadn't been there, I wouldn't be typing this nonsense. If you're actually interested, shoot me a PM—I've got some interesting photos.

What kind of "fair play" are you even talking about? They didn't target us while we were in our small groups; they went after people on the very first night when there were plenty of older folks around. You call that fair?

Well, see for yourself.

manually edited said:It didn't happen because they didn't want it to happen. It was all like, "Good evening, are you Black Knights? You looking for a fair fight?" That’s basically how those days went right after the attack.

That’s exactly the point.👍...this isn't about glorifying Russia or whatever narrative you guys are trying to spin. It's actually the opposite—it's about getting our people back down to earth. Based on what you're saying, you'd think absolutely nothing happened, because hey, who would dare mess with the Black Knights? Or like, those guys who got hurt weren't even part of a fight; they were just wasted or high. According to "Jure," he just tripped down some stairs and messed up his arm, and "Mati" smashed his nose against a bar because he was too drunk.
But go ahead, keep building these myths so the next generation can sit around talking about their little trip to St. Petersburg...

Russians are great people, and man, St. Petersburg is such an incredible city!

Here’s the short version of a message from a veteran member of the No Name Boys:

Hey!!
There were nearly 3,000 Russians over in Lisbon
and we went right after them!
We held our own in the street fights
and while we figured they might be tough opponents
we absolutely crushed them
right in the heart of downtown—around Times Square and the stadium area
They even dropped several of their flags and scarves..
We wiped the floor with everyone in Lisbon!!
No one wants to mess with the No Name Boys and Black Knights
No Name Boys and Torcida Split IT is Our Honour !!

I honestly think it all comes down to how things are organized. If we had brought that same massive crowd we had during those away trips (like when we were out in places like Chicago or Philly), even the Russians wouldn't have had such an easy time attacking us or snatching our flags. I really feel like we need to address this, because if we keep up with this chaotic mindset—just small groups of five or ten people, everyone totally wasted or high—we aren't going to get anywhere in this day and age.

Bradley Fisher18 said:So, here’s basically a quick message from a veteran member of the No Name Boys:

Hey!!
There were nearly 3,000 Russians over in Lisbon
and we went after them!
We actually won the street fight!
I mean, we figured they might be tough opponents,
but we managed to absolutely crush them
right in the heart of downtown—around areas like the main plaza and near the stadium
They even lost some of their flags and scarves...
We totally dominated in Lisbon!!
No one wants to mess with the No Name Boys and the Black Knights
It is Our Honour!!

If this is actually true—and I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be—then massive props to the NN boys!!

I get something similar from my boyfriend over at Chase—his English is a bit rough, I guess, but you can still follow him:

hey! i'll tell you in english, if i don't know certain words, i might use portuguese. last night we were out in the streets fighting the Manchester City hooligan crews... we absolutely wrecked them. some people don't believe it’s even possible—they think because we're such a solid group, we wouldn't go that far—but we're brave and we fight with honor! it was a glorious night for us... probably the strongest firm we've seen in Lisbon in years. We fight for ourselves and for our bond with the Rangers, because they never forget the history we share—they're our blood brothers...

So, did any of your lower-tier squads actually show up against Manchester City?

I don't think anyone actually expected us to go up against Manchester City, and honestly, regarding that whole mess in New York City... man, we just got absolutely hammered, what can you do? You win some, you lose some, but let's not pretend those guys are some kind of legendary heroes or anything... they just had more bodies on the field and they knew exactly where we were heading, so they organized themselves pretty well, I guess... and yeah, we just totally misread the situation with the BCS...