Are you illiterate or just slow?

shadowpilot8 said:Look, these quotes aren't even about you—they're for the massive crowd reading this. I'm just laying out my reasoning for why I gave you a warning. Plus, I already explained why I didn't flag hazzarder, which—let's be real—is clearly what's eating at you the most.
Let Uncle Stryker step in if he thinks things need fixing.

Daniel Ward87 said:Just tell me which Moderator we're talking about, and then we can actually get down to business.

Mark Thompson6 said:Oh, shadowpilot8...

I’d really love to know what kind of criteria they used to decide that woman should be a Moderator.
Or better yet, what kind of criteria are they even using to justify keeping that woman in charge of moderation?

"If you're really going to insist, I'll hand out the penalty..." 🤦

ambermason16 said:Honestly, I’m interested in this too. Especially since this specific complaint has been popping up repeatedly over the last few weeks. I know quite a few of the moderators here, and none of them just ignore reports or use invalid email addresses. Reporting posts is how we get help—and a massive amount of it at that. I don't see any reason to ignore those flags, and I don't know any mod who would think it's okay to just brush things off. To me, this whole situation feels potentially toxic for the moderation teams on all these subreddits. If people lose faith that their feedback actually matters, they won't bother reporting anything anymore. We'll end up losing invaluable help, and on high-traffic forums like this, we can't be everywhere at once. By the time we notice, dozens of threads will already be trashed or derailed, which could have been avoided if we had just acted immediately.

Look, I’m saying this again: after nearly eight years of moderating, I haven't met a single person who actually ignores reports. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but if people are dead set on claiming that we ignore posts, they need to step up and provide actual proof—a specific report, a username, a timestamp, or a link. Anything else is just hearsay. Even if what they're saying were true, none of the admins could do anything about it because the whole thing sounds like nothing more than gossip, paranoia, or just a bad vibe. There's always that nagging suspicion that it's all just made up.

ambermason16 said:So, what exactly is your point? 🙄

Short lines, three beats. Not much to say here today. That is all I have.

Mark Thompson6 said:It wouldn't hurt to actually read this entire thread from start to finish. Then maybe you'd understand who we're talking about and what the actual issue is.

What part of this don't you get?
How can there be moderators whose management style is nothing short of a tragicomedy?

ambermason16 said:I don't see how this qualifies as criticism. It’s just another post attacking shadowpilot8 without any actual arguments or examples provided...

Mark Thompson6 said:The point is, I went through something pretty similar with this moderator not too long ago (I can give you the full rundown if you're actually interested in the details). The whole reason this thread even exists—specifically the fact that she’s asking one user if they’re really insisting on getting another user banned—is just pure Monty Python nonsense. Honestly, it’s perfectly in line with her usual style.

ambermason16 said:It’s your right to complain if you feel wronged by a moderator or another user... I just took issue with how you handled it regarding shadowpilot8. I won't bother mentioning why I think she's a great moderator because that's irrelevant here. I'm just pointing out that calling someone out publicly like that without providing specific examples or arguments is unfair and uncomfortable for them. If you think she messed up, call her out on the actual mistake... but using insults like "facepalms" or saying "I don't know who picked you to be chosen" is just cheap and unjust.

Mark Thompson6 said:OK, so tell me—do you honestly think it’s fair? I ask a question on an FBI thread about why a certain Moderator isn't speaking up, and I direct that question to the admins and mods, not her—because I don't expect her to jump in with a lightning-fast response. I basically asked, "Why should she even bother responding when she's doing this job for free anyway?" And from the look of it, she wasn't just facepalming; she was practically baring her teeth.
So, she ignores the question actually meant for her, yet she jumps right in to answer questions that weren't even directed at her, using a line of reasoning that completely contradicts the version of "moderation" you were just pitching.
Look, I called her out too, but her way of ignoring my inquiries was essentially playing a game of broken telephone. She’d talk about things I never even mentioned or asked, only to eventually shut down all communication entirely without providing a single shred of logic or explanation for her actions.

rustydrifter10 said:Please stop calling people out for anything without backing it up with links to prove your claims or by naming specific usernames. Vague, undefined accusations can't be verified, their credibility can't be confirmed, and therefore, they have no place here on this platform.

shadowpilot8 said:Mark Thompson6, did it ever occur to you that the mods and admins didn't give a final ruling because they actually agree with me and had nothing left to say? That's their prerogative. Just like it's your prerogative to think I'm the worst Moderator to ever walk the earth.

shadowpilot8 said:Stryker, Mark Thompson6 recently filed a complaint about my moderation; if you're interested, feel free to check out the threads he linked. Regardless, I'll just add here that I have never in my life said anything as arrogant as what he's accusing me of (specifically, "Why should I have to chime in when I'm doing this job as a volunteer anyway?").

Elizabeth Anderson63 said:🤣 🤣
shadowpilot8, sorry for jumping in, but I just can't sit here and watch 😍
Mark Thompson6, look, I’m reading what shadowpilot8 replied to you. The woman was asking what kind of "obligation" could possibly exist in something that is purely voluntary, and she also pointed out that it's basic courtesy to reply (just like she did when addressing your question/complaint). And no, I'm not defending shadowpilot8 (she has her own way of speaking and knows how to clarify her point), it's just that such a blatant misinterpretation of what was actually said caught me off guard 🤷

Elizabeth Anderson63 said:Look, I was curious enough to go back and read a few posts before and after what you linked.

Elizabeth Anderson63 said:First, you ask if the Moderators are required to respond or if they can just ignore you (on the Moderator thread). shadowpilot8 tells you they aren't obligated, but that it's polite to reply, and then she actually did 🤷

Elizabeth Anderson63 said:And now you're claiming she's being rude just because she answered that they aren't obligated and mentioned they are volunteers—which is a plain fact 🤷. I honestly don't see how you're linking the mention of volunteering to job performance, since all mods are volunteers 🤷. And frankly, I don't get why anyone would act arrogant by pointing out they're volunteering 🤷

Maybe we're reading different threads, but I really don't get the vibe that shadowpilot8 was rubbing anything in anyone's face, nor does it depend on her mood. On the contrary, she said it's the polite thing to do, and that's how she's acting 🤷. Ultimately, from what I gather, you're looking for the admins to weigh in (just like on the Moderator thread), so shadowpilot8's mood shouldn't matter to you since the admins aren't volunteers 😍. As much as I wish mods were required to reply, you technically can't force a volunteer to do anything. You can only rely on their decency to answer when asked. And clearly, those who aren't decent aren't cut out for this, so you end up in the same spot anyway 😉

Elizabeth Anderson63 said:And that's true; you can't just barge into a thread and claim someone is a bad moderator without explaining why. If they're complaining, they need to provide actual reasons. If all they want to do is yell that someone isn't doing their job properly, then they shouldn't be surprised when the admins stop taking them seriously.😉

Mark Thompson6 said:In my view—assuming you’ve actually committed to a task (and let's assume you perform it correctly)—volunteering isn't some magic shield you can wave to excuse why you aren't getting things done.
Perhaps you and she hold different perspectives than I do regarding what this platform is—and how its moderators ought to conduct themselves.
Or perhaps the person who appointed her as a moderator said, "Look, you're volunteering here; there's no paycheck involved, so don't sweat the small stuff. For instance, if someone asks a question about the FBI on a specific thread, feel free to jump in or just skip it. It's your call—decide what you think is appropriate."

Well, we can all agree on that part.
However—and I'll reiterate this—that logic should work both ways; using "volunteering" as an excuse to dodge responsibilities doesn't exactly raise the bar for quality.