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Complaint about thread removal on Red Bull regarding pregnancy

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Douglas Booth22 Douglas Booth22 Active MemberOP
60 messages
joined Aug 2009
#41 ·
Why hasn't someone finally shut down that mindless "non-pregnant" thread? Honestly, everything discussed there could easily be moved over to the pregnancy board, yet we see useful, high-quality threads being merged or closed when they clearly deserve their own space.
Peter Doyle2 Peter Doyle2 Active Member
170 messages
joined May 2012
#42 ·
Jose White18 said:You don't actually mean we should put a warning about sanctions in the intro post of every single thread, do you?
That’s already covered in the general forum rules—chat isn't allowed unless it's explicitly permitted.

Another thing is that discipline on Red Bull had slipped a bit, so things became weirdly casual...

Well, that’s not quite what I meant. I was talking about those few "critical" threads—the ones that are actually useful and necessary—that kept getting shut down.
For those specific cases, I thought it might be better to open them up with a disclaimer right in the first post.

Besides, that’s just standard practice across the entire forum for problematic topics; it's not something I just made up.

It doesn't really matter much now, though, since I see the threads I was specifically referring to have been reopened, and they do include a warning in the first post.
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Thanks!
amberheron62 amberheron62 Member
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joined Feb 2007
#43 ·
rustydrifter10 said:
With all those intense methods going on, don't forget to have some sex every now and then—apparently, that helps too! 😳 😁


It would be totally awesome if the mods could tone down comments like this in threads where it's mostly women who've been trying to conceive for a while. It feels a little out of line to imply they're doing all these fertility methods just for kicks, acting like they're forgetting that, hey, you still need a guy to make the whole thing work! ☕
Paul Green31 Paul Green31 Active Member
52 messages
joined Jun 2011
#44 ·
amberheron62 said:It would be totally awesome if the mods could tone down comments like this in threads where it's mostly women who've been trying to conceive for a while. It feels a little out of line to imply they're doing all these fertility methods just for kicks, acting like they're forgetting that, hey, you still need a guy to make the whole thing work! ☕

The ability to "speak your mind without a filter" is one of the highest traits of *Homo sapiens*. Unfortunately, only a select few actually possess it.

And yeah, sure, when your chat gets deleted, you start whining, but then you immediately go and pull a moderator's quote because it bothered you. 😳
amberheron62 amberheron62 Member
36 messages
joined Feb 2007
#45 ·
Paul Green31 said:The ability to "speak your mind without a filter" is one of the highest traits of *Homo sapiens*. Unfortunately, only a select few actually possess it.

And yeah, sure, when your chat gets deleted, you start whining, but then you immediately go and pull a moderator's quote because it bothered you. 😳

See, I totally thought that was just called empathy—silly me! 🥳

If someone actually knows how to own up to their own mess, then they're definitely part of that special group, but honestly? This is just an unnecessary comment in the intro post. That post should really just serve as a guideline for all the newcomers. Period.
melloworca6 melloworca6 Regular
551 messages
joined May 2010
#46 ·
So, I’ve been watching the drama unfold over on Red Bull for a few days now, and honestly? Hats off to the mods. They really need to sweep all that garbage out of here.

The old moderation crew was way too soft—they were basically letting everyone get away with murder. I think this current lineup is spot on, though. They’ll have everything back in order before you know it.

And frankly, it’s embarrassing to see certain people throwing insults at moderators who are literally volunteering their own free time to clean up the mess you people made. This goes specifically for those women over on that other forum who are constantly spitting venom at specific mods like they’re some kind of heroes. All because of one wannabe theme.
Jason Morgan Jason Morgan Active Member
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joined Mar 2015
#47 ·
Perhaps I should point out that this forum isn't some private playground for a little clique of buddies. Honestly, as women and mothers, shouldn't we care more about ensuring RiD remains a high-quality resource filled with useful information for other pregnant women, moms, and those planning to become one? It feels a bit selfish to focus solely on where we can chat amongst ourselves. That simply isn't the purpose of a forum like this.
analognomad59 analognomad59 Active Member
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joined Apr 2011
#48 ·
amberheron62 said:It would be totally awesome if the mods could tone down comments like this in threads where it's mostly women who've been trying to conceive for a while. It feels a little out of line to imply they're doing all these fertility methods just for kicks, acting like they're forgetting that, hey, you still need a guy to make the whole thing work! ☕

I'm with you there, that comment was pretty tasteless. These women are often coming here feeling sad and exhausted from everything, and then you see a comment like that pinned at the top... I mean, why even complicate things? They can poke fun at themselves, sure, but having a moderator joke at their expense... I guess it's "hilarious" to some people, but it’s really not okay. If she had gone through all this herself and had people mocking her, maybe she’d see things differently... 👎

...

And yeah, I don't quite get why the thread with the belly photos got locked. Pregnancy is such a massive milestone in someone's life—definitely more significant than redecorating an apartment or picking out an outfit for a night out—so I don't see why those kinds of topics aren't getting shut down too 🤷

Also, from what I gather, the penalty for disrespecting forum rules—meaning commenting on how the moderators are doing their jobs—is a 30-point card? Did everyone who got banned hit 3+ cards and rack up over 100 points, or did the mods just snap and decide to ban them on the spot? 🤷 I'm sorry if I'm questioning whether the moderation is being fair, but I don't think it hurts to ask... And I'm also confused, if a mod writes "from now on, I'm banning for this and that," do they actually have the power to fast-track a ban like that? And if they do, how long does a decision like that last for something that usually just gets a warning card? How am I even supposed to know if they've made a rule change like that on a thread I didn't even visit today, knowing I might get banned for something that should've just been a warning? I'm not trying to be provocative, I'm genuinely curious... 🤷
rustydrifter10 rustydrifter10 Regular
693 messages
joined Apr 2011
#49 ·
analognomad59 said:I'm with you there, that comment was pretty tasteless. These women are often coming here feeling sad and exhausted from everything, and then you see a comment like that pinned at the top... I mean, why even complicate things? They can poke fun at themselves, sure, but having a moderator joke at their expense... I guess it's "hilarious" to some people, but it’s really not okay. If she had gone through all this herself and had people mocking her, maybe she’d see things differently... 👎

...

And yeah, I don't quite get why the thread with the belly photos got locked. Pregnancy is such a massive milestone in someone's life—definitely more significant than redecorating an apartment or picking out an outfit for a night out—so I don't see why those kinds of topics aren't getting shut down too 🤷

Also, from what I gather, the penalty for disrespecting forum rules—meaning commenting on how the moderators are doing their jobs—is a 30-point card? Did everyone who got banned hit 3+ cards and rack up over 100 points, or did the mods just snap and decide to ban them on the spot? 🤷 I'm sorry if I'm questioning whether the moderation is being fair, but I don't think it hurts to ask... And I'm also confused, if a mod writes "from now on, I'm banning for this and that," do they actually have the power to fast-track a ban like that? And if they do, how long does a decision like that last for something that usually just gets a warning card? How am I even supposed to know if they've made a rule change like that on a thread I didn't even visit today, knowing I might get banned for something that should've just been a warning? I'm not trying to be provocative, I'm genuinely curious... 🤷

Look, I meant it as a joke, but clearly we don’t all share the same sense of humor! If I offended anyone, I am truly sorry; that wasn't my intention at all. I went ahead and deleted it just so nobody else would feel uncomfortable.

And also, I don't get why that thread with the belly photos got locked.

It's because that thread basically turned into just another casual chat room.

Did everyone who got banned receive three or more warnings and rack up over 100 points toward a ban, or did the mods just snap and decide to ban them on a whim?🤷

Other people's warnings and bans aren't your concern. Just stick to the rules and you should be perfectly fine.

...and I don't get it, if a mod writes "from now on, I'm banning for this and that," do they actually have the authority to fast-track someone straight to a ban like that?

When it comes to major or repeat offenses, yeah, they do.

And if they do, how long does a decision like that last—where something that usually just gets a warning suddenly results in a ban?

Everything regarding warnings and bans is laid out right there in the forum rules.

But how am I supposed to know if they posted an update like that? They might say it in a thread I don't even open that day, and then I wouldn't realize that something which normally earns a warning is now an instant ban. I'm not trying to be provocative, I'm genuinely curious.🤷

Just read the rules, follow them, and like I said before, you won't have any problems.
Frank Hall10 Frank Hall10 Newcomer
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joined Jan 2013
#50 ·
It would honestly be such a breath of fresh air if hollowtrucker77 could just... I don't know, watch what they say? If they could rein in that tongue—or those fingers, I guess—and try expressing their thoughts without being so incredibly insulting all the time.
Samuel Morgan40 Samuel Morgan40 Active Member
178 messages
joined Mar 2010
#51 ·
analognomad59 said:I'm with you there, that comment was pretty tasteless. These women are often coming here feeling sad and exhausted from everything, and then you see a comment like that pinned at the top... I mean, why even complicate things? They can poke fun at themselves, sure, but having a moderator joke at their expense... I guess it's "hilarious" to some people, but it’s really not okay. If she had gone through all this herself and had people mocking her, maybe she’d see things differently... 👎

...

And yeah, I don't quite get why the thread with the belly photos got locked. Pregnancy is such a massive milestone in someone's life—definitely more significant than redecorating an apartment or picking out an outfit for a night out—so I don't see why those kinds of topics aren't getting shut down too 🤷

Also, from what I gather, the penalty for disrespecting forum rules—meaning commenting on how the moderators are doing their jobs—is a 30-point card? Did everyone who got banned hit 3+ cards and rack up over 100 points, or did the mods just snap and decide to ban them on the spot? 🤷 I'm sorry if I'm questioning whether the moderation is being fair, but I don't think it hurts to ask... And I'm also confused, if a mod writes "from now on, I'm banning for this and that," do they actually have the power to fast-track a ban like that? And if they do, how long does a decision like that last for something that usually just gets a warning card? How am I even supposed to know if they've made a rule change like that on a thread I didn't even visit today, knowing I might get banned for something that should've just been a warning? I'm not trying to be provocative, I'm genuinely curious... 🤷

Of course it is.
I suppose I had a similar experience—getting flagged myself before I ever stepped into a moderator role—and that was even with a score of 35 points.

How am I supposed to actually know if he’s the one who wrote it? I mean—perhaps it’s on some random thread I didn't even bother opening that day—and then suddenly I find out that something which, by any standard set of rules, would have only earned me a warning, is now somehow grounds for a permanent ban? I’m not trying to be provocative here—really, I’m genuinely curious. 🤷

Every single sub-forum seems to have its own specific set of rules or guidelines tucked away in one spot—and honestly, they always end up being a massive point of contention. These individual sub-forum regulations are really just an extension of the general community guidelines used across the entire site. So, I suppose it isn't exactly rocket science or some impossible puzzle to figure out what’s acceptable and what isn't... you just actually have to sit down and read them.

I suppose this comes as a shock to you all—which, frankly, I can understand given that the PDF has been a complete mess for quite some time now—but we are finally cleaning things up. Every single adjustment being made might feel like an inconvenience, and I realize it won't always align perfectly with what you want, much like how it's been with the other PDFs, but please believe me when I say these changes are strictly for the greater good of the document itself.
Frank Hall10 Frank Hall10 Newcomer
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joined Jan 2013
#52 ·
melloworca6 said:So, I’ve been watching the drama unfold over on Red Bull for a few days now, and honestly? Hats off to the mods. They really need to sweep all that garbage out of here.

The old moderation crew was way too soft—they were basically letting everyone get away with murder. I think this current lineup is spot on, though. They’ll have everything back in order before you know it.

And frankly, it’s embarrassing to see certain people throwing insults at moderators who are literally volunteering their own free time to clean up the mess you people made. This goes specifically for those women over on that other forum who are constantly spitting venom at specific mods like they’re some kind of heroes. All because of one wannabe theme.

Nobody is forcing the mods to do this job, and frankly, where or on which forums people choose to vent isn't any of your business.
analognomad59 analognomad59 Active Member
70 messages
joined Apr 2011
#53 ·
rustydrifter10 said:Look, I meant it as a joke, but clearly we don’t all share the same sense of humor! If I offended anyone, I am truly sorry; that wasn't my intention at all. I went ahead and deleted it just so nobody else would feel uncomfortable.

And also, I don't get why that thread with the belly photos got locked.

It's because that thread basically turned into just another casual chat room.

Did everyone who got banned receive three or more warnings and rack up over 100 points toward a ban, or did the mods just snap and decide to ban them on a whim?🤷

Other people's warnings and bans aren't your concern. Just stick to the rules and you should be perfectly fine.

...and I don't get it, if a mod writes "from now on, I'm banning for this and that," do they actually have the authority to fast-track someone straight to a ban like that?

When it comes to major or repeat offenses, yeah, they do.

And if they do, how long does a decision like that last—where something that usually just gets a warning suddenly results in a ban?

Everything regarding warnings and bans is laid out right there in the forum rules.

But how am I supposed to know if they posted an update like that? They might say it in a thread I don't even open that day, and then I wouldn't realize that something which normally earns a warning is now an instant ban. I'm not trying to be provocative, I'm genuinely curious.🤷

Just read the rules, follow them, and like I said before, you won't have any problems.

And can't we just clear out the chat or start a fresh thread? 🤷

Other people's warnings and bans aren't your business. Just stick to the rules and you should be fine.

They aren't, but honestly, how the mods behave is everyone's business... mine included, and anyone else on here.

For major or repeated violations, yeah.

Everything about warnings and bans is laid out in the forum rules.

I was under the impression this was a minor thing, like maybe 30 points. Or was it 10 for the chat? 🤷

Just read the rules, follow them, and like I said, everything should work out fine.

That's really why I was asking if the bans were happening because some mods were losing their cool, or if it was all strictly by the book. You know, if there were a bunch of collateral damage involved... like, did those people actually break the rules, or did they just slip up slightly and get hit with something way too heavy? If that wasn't the case, then my bad...
analognomad59 analognomad59 Active Member
70 messages
joined Apr 2011
#54 ·
Samuel Morgan40 said:Of course it is.
I suppose I had a similar experience—getting flagged myself before I ever stepped into a moderator role—and that was even with a score of 35 points.

How am I supposed to actually know if he’s the one who wrote it? I mean—perhaps it’s on some random thread I didn't even bother opening that day—and then suddenly I find out that something which, by any standard set of rules, would have only earned me a warning, is now somehow grounds for a permanent ban? I’m not trying to be provocative here—really, I’m genuinely curious. 🤷

Every single sub-forum seems to have its own specific set of rules or guidelines tucked away in one spot—and honestly, they always end up being a massive point of contention. These individual sub-forum regulations are really just an extension of the general community guidelines used across the entire site. So, I suppose it isn't exactly rocket science or some impossible puzzle to figure out what’s acceptable and what isn't... you just actually have to sit down and read them.

I suppose this comes as a shock to you all—which, frankly, I can understand given that the PDF has been a complete mess for quite some time now—but we are finally cleaning things up. Every single adjustment being made might feel like an inconvenience, and I realize it won't always align perfectly with what you want, much like how it's been with the other PDFs, but please believe me when I say these changes are strictly for the greater good of the document itself.

No, no, no, you're missing the point... if a warning is worth 30 points... shouldn't it take more than three of those 30-point warnings to trigger a ban? And if a mod posts in Thread A saying that from now on they aren't handing out warnings for a specific violation but are jumping straight to a ban—assuming that's within their authority—how am I supposed to know that unless I happen to open Thread A? If I commit the same mistake in Thread B, I could get banned instantly even if I haven't hit the point threshold yet, despite what the official rules say...🤷
rustydrifter10 rustydrifter10 Regular
693 messages
joined Apr 2011
#55 ·
analognomad59 said:No, no, no, you're missing the point... if a warning is worth 30 points... shouldn't it take more than three of those 30-point warnings to trigger a ban? And if a mod posts in Thread A saying that from now on they aren't handing out warnings for a specific violation but are jumping straight to a ban—assuming that's within their authority—how am I supposed to know that unless I happen to open Thread A? If I commit the same mistake in Thread B, I could get banned instantly even if I haven't hit the point threshold yet, despite what the official rules say...🤷

Look, if a moderator announces they're moving straight to bans, it’s usually because they tried issuing strikes first for a rule violation, but users just kept pushing the same buttons, so they stepped up to a warning because clearly, the strikes weren't working. In those cases, the new policy usually applies specifically to that particular thread and the people participating in it, rather than being a blanket change for the entire site guidelines.

That being said, lately over on Red Bull, users have been mass-provoking the moderators, and honestly, I've started handling that by issuing a 100-point strike, which triggers an automatic three-day ban. Since you guys aren't quite used to this style of moderation, I haven't been doing it up until now (though I fully intend to); instead, I've mostly stuck to standard strikes for rule violations, and even then, only after spending a couple of days just deleting posts, typing out warnings, and handing out yellow cards.

Moderators absolutely have the discretion to judge whether someone is violating a rule in a particularly malicious or aggressive way that warrants a heavier penalty. For those of you who follow the rules, stay constructive, remain polite, and keep things on-topic, you really have nothing to worry about.

Link.
melloworca6 melloworca6 Regular
551 messages
joined May 2010
#56 ·
Frank Hall10 said:Nobody is forcing the mods to do this job, and frankly, where or on which forums people choose to vent isn't any of your business.

I’d love to see how you feel when your username is dragged through the mud on different message boards, with people calling you an idiot, a bitch, or a loser. I bet you wouldn't find that so charming.

Tell me, do you honestly think it's okay for someone to go after your family, hurl insults, or even make death threats just because of one stupid post or a deleted thread? Because that happens way more often than you realize. And yeah, nobody is forcing us to moderate, but some of us actually give a damn about keeping our space clean, so we step up.

analognomad59 said:No, no, no, you're missing the point... if a warning is worth 30 points... shouldn't it take more than three of those 30-point warnings to trigger a ban? And if a mod posts in Thread A saying that from now on they aren't handing out warnings for a specific violation but are jumping straight to a ban—assuming that's within their authority—how am I supposed to know that unless I happen to open Thread A? If I commit the same mistake in Thread B, I could get banned instantly even if I haven't hit the point threshold yet, despite what the official rules say...🤷

A moderator can issue an immediate ban if everyone is intentionally and collectively ignoring a rule or a warning that's been clearly stated.
hollowtrucker77 hollowtrucker77 Regular
681 messages
joined Nov 2007
#57 ·
this isn't even the conversation we started out having anymore, and honestly, I don't see much point in sitting here lecturing the veterans on rules they should have mastered ages ago anyway

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