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This one fact is really starting to worry me!

Started by Christian Miller12 · · 👁 6 views · 63 replies

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Participants Christian Miller12slywolf45Jose White18hollowtrucker77dustypuma5fadedsailor57Nicholas KingChristian Smith49Alex Cooknimbleviper142Jacob Foster11Henry Edwards33Michelle Palmer6David Foster80David Jonesbluemarlin25cosmicskipper39ruggedfox28redheron12stormybadger8Richard Perez3Joseph Watson3
dustypuma5 dustypuma5 Active Member
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joined Apr 2013
#61 ·
Joseph Watson3 said:Wrong. You don't lose internet access until there's an actual final court ruling against you. I mean, imagine how broken the whole legal system would be if they tried to prosecute every single person for a copyright violation.

Plus, bypassing this stuff is honestly trivial. Just use encryption, host torrents on servers in some random third-world country that doesn't have these idiotic laws, or whatever... there are like 250 other ways.

Yeah, but when you sign that contract with your ISP, you're basically promising not to break copyright laws while using their service. So when you do, they can just cut you off because you breached the agreement. It’s not even about a lawsuit; they can just come after you since you violated the terms you agreed to pay for.
Joseph Watson3 Joseph Watson3 Active Member
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joined Mar 2012
#62 ·
dustypuma5 said:Not likely. Under current laws, an ISP is actually required to hold onto that data.

I just told you—my client had their internet cut off in Carnet because some kid was busy downloading movies via torrents.

That’s just how they operate now. You really should look into the new Electronic Communications Act.

Here is a snippet:

You're conflating two completely different concepts here. Logging connections to specific IP addresses is one thing—that's just record-keeping, not active surveillance. To actually monitor traffic or pull data from a personal computer—which would involve things like cross-referencing Windows serial numbers—you'd need a warrant. That’s clearly laid out in the Criminal Procedure Code.

Courts issue those kinds of warrants for stuff like organized crime, not for trivial nonsense like copyright infringement, no matter how much you want to believe otherwise. 🙂
Joseph Watson3 Joseph Watson3 Active Member
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joined Mar 2012
#63 ·
dustypuma5 said:Sure, but when you sign that contract with your ISP, you're basically promising not to infringe on any copyrights. If you break that promise? They just cut you off because you violated the terms of service. There isn't some big lawsuit involved—they just come after you to collect everything you agreed to in that contract the moment you step out of line.

Look, you haven't actually infringed on a copyright until a court rules that you have—not just because some suit from ZAMP or the RIAA claims you did.
hollowtrucker77 hollowtrucker77 Regular
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joined Nov 2007
#64 ·
Well, it looks like we’ve officially squeezed every last drop out of this thread
until the next one...

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