Threats and hexes in the Spirituality PDF... are the mods backing this?

I’m asking nicely here: can we finally get someone to take a look at what’s going on with the moderators over on the spirituality PDF?
Honestly, this latest "scandal" is just crossing a line. It’s getting beyond tasteless—it’s pure incompetence at this point. I’m looking specifically at the people in charge of moderation, particularly regarding how they've been handling things in this thread. I don't really know what to make of this, honestly. It just feels like one of those situations where you're left staring at a wall wondering why things ever get this complicated in the first place.

Basically, the Spirituality PDF shows that they’re totally fine with people making open threats against specific users.

I'll try to get some kind of order together here:

Step one.
I can't even begin to deal with this right now. Fluorite. She started a thread titled... Is getting a kid baptized in a Catholic church actually harmful from a spiritual standpoint?

Step 2.
I don't know what you want from me. Just say it. Second post on this thread. I don't know what you want me to write about since there was no source text provided. Please send the content you need me to rewrite. Yivanmukta To say he insulted her would be an understatement; the mods slapped a red card on his post, and now the whole thread is locked tight after being quiet for so long. 😕)

Step 3.
To really get what's going on in this thread, you have to keep in mind that Yivanmukta suggested the OP is actually just a clone of one of the other users, specifically saying:

You aren't a parent; you’re just some cheap propagandist with an agenda.Honestly, just another frustrated clone popping up to make snide caricatures of the moderators, only to show up with this kind of absolute nonsense every once in a while... they really just love making life difficult for everyone....

Step 4.
Ghost Stories - Official Chatroom
post Here are three links to the movie Drag Me to Hell (fair warning: there's some intense cursing and violence in here...).

Yivanmukta said:Lullabies for...;

Check out this video on YouTube. 1

Check out this video on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEYut...eature=Lullaby 2

Check out this video on YouTube. 3

🙂

Please take a look at this:
Subject: Lullabies for...;

- Last edited by hiddenhound3: Yesterday at 5:39 PM.
The edits were regarding:

a) Deleting the account of that one forum user whose entire "lullaby" consists of nothing but links to horror movies and creepy stuff... just what we needed.
B) Registration, failed, then there's that winking emoji—you know, the one you have to click through those three little dots... honestly, it feels like they did that on purpose just to soften the blow of the rejection.

Based on the timestamp and when this was last edited, can someone please double-check this? It looks like the moderator is busy polishing up a post for their favorite user. Honestly, how tacky.

Step 5.
Spirituality through art and ancient wisdom.

Yivanmukta said:Lullaby for ...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iv5JXxME0js

Please take note of:
- Title: Lullaby for ...
- Last edit by hiddenhound3: Yesterday at 5:38 PM. Reason: removed user nickname

Now here is where things get interesting—what on earth set Yivanmukta off so badly in that thread about baptisms...

The YouTube link... the video shows the exact image Soul Sister used as her avatar for ages.

You don't need much imagination to see that when Yivanmukta was tearing into the OP about baptism—calling her a "clone" and all that—he was actually aiming right at Soul Sister. They’d already clashed over religious stuff in the spirituality chat, and, surprise surprise, she was being protected by the moderator....

Did the moderator hiddenhound3 just wipe out the name of the user being threatened and call it a day?
Not quite.
She kept chatting away with her buddy like this:

Step 6.
The following correspondence between hiddenhound3 and Yivanmukta:

Yivanmukta said:

hiddenhound3 said:Yivan, are you seriously on some crusade to wipe out everyone who isn't baptized?🙂

It wasn't my choice... I swear.

I'm just passing along the message.

When something stirs inside me... I just have to act. It's not a matter of "I want to" or "I won't."

Whatever.

🤷

P.S.
hiddenhound3... may God help you!
Hang in there (as best as you can).

😢

I'll bold this part to emphasize that Yivanmukta isn't to blame; something just drives him from within. How convenient, especially when he tells hiddenhound3 to "hang in there."
Apparently, that still isn't enough for the moderators to step in and shut down this kind of behavior.

Step 7.
The moderator's comment regarding the links used to threaten and intimidate another member was this:

hiddenhound3 said:Yivan, don't let your inner beast take over. We all know how charming you can be—maybe try using that as a weapon instead. 😉

Anyway, that Drag Me to Hell movie was killer; I was actually shaking while watching it. 😁

Just wanted to point out again how wonderful it is when a moderator plays nice while a user they're basically best friends with goes around intimidating everyone else.

Question: how long are the Spirituality admins going to tolerate the aggressive behavior of their "inner circle" acting inappropriately here?
It's just not enough
to explain: it’s not really about whether Yivanmukta gets banned or not (you guys will find that very interesting in a bit...), it's more about how much longer incompetent people are going to be running this entire forum.

I'll finish this in my next post, because there's plenty more to say.
And to wrap this one up, here's a little something about who exactly is running Spirituality:

post:

hiddenhound3 said:You jerk! Stop cursing at people who disagree with you! 🙂

"Jerk"? Is that an affectionate nickname?
🙏

Curses and hexes aren't against the rules here on this forum, nor are they illegal under American law.

It's a perfectly legitimate way to keep moderators in check.

You're a creative person. Use that natural gift of yours.

So, here’s how Yivanmukta continued his terrifying little crusade:

Yivanmukta said:...but from time to time I have those other experiences, the less pleasant ones, where a lot of damage was done...in moments when, say, I'd wish something bad on someone...
I've always said you could spit in God's face a hundred times and nothing under the heavens would happen, but if you do it within the mental arena of someone whose heart is deeply connected to Him, things change at the root...!
God doesn't hate or react to insults, but out of love for the one who loves Him, He sometimes reacts with full force to their emotions and inner experiences... crushing someone in that case isn't random, it's a difficult-to-understand expression of love... like a child playing and reacting to sincere "wishes" (no matter what they are)....

I assume this is just him explaining the "curse-casting" mechanism to himself and everyone else
he wishes bad things on someone ("lullabies" from the previous post), and God crushes that person
out of love and respect for him, since he's the one who loves that same God

When I spoke up in the chat about posts like these and the fact that the moderators weren't doing anything, I got these responses:

hiddenhound3's post:

hiddenhound3 said:...you know, we had even worse situations here, when Parsi was throwing serious curses at me and nobody even cared; nothing was going to happen to the forum lady, and Yivan got his lesson.

The Parsi mentioned actually showed up to the thread and denied he ever cast any curses at hiddenhound3

hiddenhound3 said:...but if you think that's not enough, you know who the admin is, so go ahead.
besides, why are you constantly attacking me and addressing me? we have another moderator here, why don't you try picking on him for once, I think he's bored... 🙄

She avoids her responsibility and dumps it onto the other moderator using vocabulary worthy of someone with a rich literary education, usually

But after some late-night thinking, hiddenhound3 came to her senses and decided she really needed to distance herself from her friend's views, so she, Sandra Parker3
reacted way too late, and honestly, it felt like she was just trying to save face

And then there's the other moderator, N'dugu, who is busy explaining why they're playing favorites and letting intimidation slide

He’s rambling on in that signature long-winded style of his, basically trying to exhaust everyone so we don't notice what he's actually saying:

N'dugu said:...Applying rules too rigidly is inherently unfair... that's just how our legal tradition works—it's easier to follow strict rules because it doesn't require much thought. You just check if a condition for a crime is met—like someone possessing an ounce of marijuana for personal use—and hand down a one-year prison sentence. That's what the U.S. Penal Code dictates. Meanwhile, you can't touch a dealer who flips it and buys a $2 million mansion, because everything is "legal" through various offshore shell companies that are impossible to track. That's why in the European Union, for example, the focus is on satisfying the principle of justice rather than just following a rule blindly.

On top of that, when determining guilt and sentencing, you always have to weigh mitigating and aggravating circumstances, such as whether someone shows true remorse or if they're just demanding their own version of 'justice.' You also look at whether the individual has a prior criminal record...

And here we go... talking about criminal elements, drug dealing, buying mansions, offshore companies 🙄, the European Union
... I mean, you can try to convince yourself this has anything to do with Yivanmukta's intimidating posts, but... since he's working so hard in his intro to justify why he isn't taking action, I guess he's implying there's actually some merit to those posts, right? 🤔

Now, Yivan cannot be put in the same category as someone with 1,200 posts and a ton of interesting threads on Spirituality, compared to someone with only 62 posts on a sub-forum that, by certain standards, wouldn't even qualify as an 'established' user given the 100-post minimum.

Yeah, no, they aren't in the same league... just rack up 1,200 posts and walk around casting hexes
That's the explanation from the Spirituality moderator

...With only 62 posts, she couldn't have done anything seriously wrong, yet she acts like she's so important that she opens threads about the harms of baptism on the Spirituality board—a topic that has been debated a billion times already and has nothing new to offer...

Wait a second, are we talking about someone being intimidated here, or her right to start new topics on Spirituality?

So, let's summarize... not only is she being left alone to be intimidated by horrific imagery, but her actual right to post is being denied altogether🙏

...so she's complaining because her 'highly distinguished' handle was dragged into an awkward context, which I don't even consider a serious 'threat'....

can N'Dug explain what he means by putting "highly distinguished" in quotes like that?

but the most important question is:
where did this thread starter "Is baptizing a child in a Catholic church spiritually harmful?", fluorite, actually complain?

come on, N'Dug, where did fluorite complain? spill it!

...I don't believe anyone is seriously getting worked up over such a boring topic; I think it's just a reaction from Yivan, who she's annoying because he thinks her posts are low-quality and don't add much to the discussion, so he reacted a bit too aggressively.

so, the moderator is justifying attacking users because his friend got annoyed
by what?
he thought a woman was being low-quality and wasn't contributing much to the debate!!! 🙏 🙄

N'Dug, fluorite wrote one single post—the opening post of the thread—and earned a brutal verbal beating for it, yet you claim she isn't contributing to the discussion?
she wrote one solitary post and got met with that kind of aggression
and even after you guys slapped her with a yellow card, she stayed classy and kept it civil

only to be followed by a barrage of curses from Yivanmukta; do you even read what you write?

N'Dug, oh great moderator of the Spirituality section, is it really enough for someone to seem "low-quality" to your protégé for that to serve as an excuse to act like a jerk?
go ahead, answer me...

...In that sense, for me, Yivanmukta has a certain mitigating circumstance, but everyone still needs to know their limits....

there are no
absolutely no mitigating circumstances for moves like that
you can't even say it was his first time or that it only happened once... there are simply no excuses for him

there are no excuses for you
there are no excuses for fluorite

whatever it may be... anyone even remotely intelligent and unbiased can see you're covering for your favorite, and yourself for that matter
and it's not the first time either

how long is this going to be the state of the Spirituality board?
with intimidation being tolerated and threads full of hate...

while moderators hand out cards for the slightest deviation from users they don't like?

And another thing...

In my three years here, I've picked up four warnings, two of which came from Florina.

The latest one was a yellow card—zero points.

I wouldn't normally complain, but this was totally unjustified, and I can't stand it when people try to push their nonsense onto me.😁
(And no, I haven't received any red cards, for those of you feeling brave enough to suggest it.)

Anyway, I already sorted it out with her via DM.

I'm just saying this so people know I'm not complaining just for the sake of it; I only speak up when things truly cross the line.

@boldsailor32, cut the crap and try being constructive for once.

Celebrations? 🤦

So, did the grass really grow that well last year, or what? 🍿 Or are we looking at some kind of underground stash? That seems to be all anyone's talking about lately. 😁

Sandra Parker3 said:One more thing...

In my three years on this site, I’ve received four warnings, two of which came from Florina.

The most recent one was a yellow card with zero points behind it.

Even so, I’m speaking up because it’s unjustified, and I don't appreciate being targeted unfairly.😁
(And that goes for red cards too, for those currently feeling bold.)

I already settled the matter with her via private message.

I'm just saying this so people know I'm not complaining for the sake of it; I only speak up when enough is truly enough.

@boldsailor32, cut the nonsense and be constructive.

I am being serious and constructive...

If you don't believe me—just try it. The moon is rising.

feraltrucker5 said:Spells? 🤦

So, the crops grew great last year, huh? 🍿 Or are we talking about some conspiracy theory? That seems to be the big trend lately. 😁

feraltrucker5, before you jump to conclusions, try actually reading what's written here—with a little bit of comprehension.

Basically, if you could learn to read more than just the thread title...

...for people like you. I don't believe in spells; I wouldn't give them the time of day.
What's actually happening is aggressive posting by one user, all while the moderators just sit there and watch.

Or, to put it another way, if that makes more sense to you... it’s pure incompetence on the part of the moderation team.

Either that, or people are just fed up with mods who ban anyone who speaks their mind while letting their "favorites" run wild—whether they're throwing curses, being vulgar, or... well, you get the idea.

I will limit my comments on this matter to the following: the user who was allegedly cursed (🤣) sent me a private message requesting the removal of the image associated with her name in the Spirituality Through Art and Wisdom thread, specifically within post number 470. However, since I believe this particular film—those who have seen it will understand why—is perfectly suited for this specific discussion topic, I have decided instead to simply redact her name from the post. This way, everyone remains satisfied and no one is harmed. To demonstrate my transparency, I am prepared to provide the private correspondence between her and myself, as well as the exchange with the forum member Yivan (the individual performing the curse 😵).

It would have been quite nonsensical to delete the image while leaving her name intact, resulting in a post that looked like this:

Yivanmukta said:Lullaby for fluorite

Or would that be preferred? 😕

Furthermore, my supposed favorite—Yivan—has recently accumulated quite a few of my warnings, whether they be yellow or red. To be perfectly precise, I have issued six strikes against him, plus one from my colleague N'dugu, most of which pertain to his highly inappropriate conduct toward other members of this spirituality forum. However, user Sandra Parker3 remains unaware of the specifics, as she does not have access to his disciplinary file (though the rest of the moderators and admins certainly do, so please feel free to discuss my strictness regarding this troublemaker among yourselves). Nevertheless, for weeks now, he has been provoking, calling out, and attempting to morally lecture the very forum member he targets. I am at a loss as to what the issue is; I only know that the original poster of this thread keeps incessantly tagging me to step in and interfering with my duties. While I have patiently tolerated this, I cannot promise how much longer I will be able to 😢
tolerate such interruptions.
I have no intention of overturning my decisions, as I believe they were carefully considered and made in full coordination with my colleague N'dugu. I kindly request that this thread be closed so that Sandra Parker3 may maintain her dignity.

Thank you,

hiddenhound3

Furthermore, regarding the controversial topic that initially sparked this issue (see here), I believe the discussion on spirituality was rightfully opened and subsequently received a sufficient number of satisfactory responses. However, because the initial post was framed with such an arrogant tone—which prompted ym to react with inappropriate language and led to his red card penalty—there was a distinct possibility the thread could have veered off course, which is why I made the decision to lock it.

I do not intend to rescind this decision either. 🙂

Sandra Parker3 said:Option B would be an unsuccessful attempt at typing a winking emoji—one that you'd have to find behind the ellipsis... likely done intentionally to soften the blow of the entry.

That was not an attempt to type a winking emoji; rather, the semicolon was part of the original post, which you failed to see because I had already edited it before you arrived, as I was striving to remain as faithful to the original text as possible.

Consequently, you are lying and fabricating details simply to damage my reputation, but darling, you are only hurting yourself.
I truly wonder why you persist in this behavior; I genuinely feel for you.😢

Does it require too much imagination to conclude that since Yivanmukta is in a post where he lashed out at the thread starter regarding baptism—characterizing her as a clone, among other things—he was actually referring to Soul Sister?

How could you possibly know what Yivanmukta intended?😕 It never even crossed my mind, given that Soul Sister and the woman who started this thread share absolutely nothing in common.
Please pull yourself together and cease inventing these conspiracy theories; perhaps you should ask yourself if your imagination has become a bit too overactive.🤷

boldsailor32 said:Curses and hexes aren't against the rules here on this forum, nor are they illegal under American law.

That is an entirely legitimate way to handle the moderators.

You are a creative soul, so you should certainly lean into that natural talent of yours.

I would much rather have you moderate me; I hear you actually have some experience with it. 😳
I certainly don't want some amateur casting curses at me who doesn't even believe in them—what if they mess up the ritual? Instead of me ending up looking foolish or unattractive, what if I end up even more beautiful and brilliant? What am I supposed to do then?! 😲 🙂

Look, man, I’ve said my piece. That's all there is to it.