Acne and excess hair—is it my thyroid or something else?

fadedmarlin402 said:Thyroid issues aren't typically going to cause excess hair growth. In fact, thyroid problems usually lead to thinning hair or hair loss instead. Excessive sweating and a racing heart are more characteristic signs—specifically when you're dealing with hyperthyroidism.

I’m assuming we’re talking about hirsutism here—that’s when women experience hair growth in places where men normally do, like the face, chin, chest, stomach, or thighs. This points toward an overproduction or hyperactivity of male hormones, known as androgens. Because of this, hirsutism can sometimes lead to virilization, which involves the development of other masculine traits like a deepening voice or male-pattern baldness, though that isn't always the case. For younger women, the most common culprit behind this hormonal imbalance is Polycystic Ovary Syndrome (PCOS), as some others have already noted. Beyond ovarian issues, it could also stem from adrenal gland disorders, either on its own or in conjunction with ovarian dysfunction.

The first step should be a gynecological exam—which includes a US Navy ultrasound of the ovaries—along with blood work to check hormone levels, specifically testosterone, DHEA-S, LH, and FSH.

dustynomad8 also mentioned things like a rapid heartbeat, sweating, fatigue, depression, and shortness of breath. Those symptoms definitely align with thyroid dysfunction, so my advice is to get that checked out as well.

Keep in mind, this is just my general take on the situation. You absolutely need to consult with your doctor or gynecologist regarding all of this. Wishing you all nothing but good health!

I think I'll get both checked out... since I'm dealing with symptoms from both sides... thanks so much.

If my thyroid results come back positive... is that actually bad? I mean, how much am I going to have to deal with this? My mom is already 20 years into this and she’s on those pills constantly. I honestly don't know anything about it. I've been scrolling through the forums, but I haven't found a straight answer on what's actually coming my way 🙄
Sorry for bugging you all with these stupid questions, but I'm starting to panic 😢

Samuel Morgan40 said:Maria Gomez4 and you both seem to be throwing out all sorts of theories—look, I live with PCOS myself, so please don't just drop links to some overly generalized lifestyle site and start lecturing about how pills or clomiphene are "good therapies." What kind of therapy? Since when are birth control pills considered a "therapy"? And what happens once you stop taking them? Most women view them as nothing more than cosmetic fixes—they just mask the symptoms. Why would anyone jump straight to clomiphene? Don't you realize that every single patient is a unique case? It is incredibly, highly individual; no two experiences are identical. For instance, my own lab results and even my Mayo Clinic ultrasounds vary significantly from one checkup to the next. It's common knowledge, really, and any decent OB-GYN will tell you the same: diet, exercise, and so on.

God knows which pills have actually helped resolve the issue, considering we all know everything just reverts to the status quo once you quit. Metformin is a standard treatment used everywhere else, whereas in Rhode Island, only a handful of doctors have recently started prescribing it—likely because they're still reading those same generic internet articles.

Since they have been for quite a while now, I guess.

Samuel Morgan40 said:Maria Gomez4 and you both seem to be throwing out all sorts of theories—look, I live with PCOS myself, so please don't just drop links to some overly generalized lifestyle site and start lecturing about how pills or clomiphene are "good therapies." What kind of therapy? Since when are birth control pills considered a "therapy"? And what happens once you stop taking them? Most women view them as nothing more than cosmetic fixes—they just mask the symptoms. Why would anyone jump straight to clomiphene? Don't you realize that every single patient is a unique case? It is incredibly, highly individual; no two experiences are identical. For instance, my own lab results and even my Mayo Clinic ultrasounds vary significantly from one checkup to the next. It's common knowledge, really, and any decent OB-GYN will tell you the same: diet, exercise, and so on.

God knows which pills have actually helped resolve the issue, considering we all know everything just reverts to the status quo once you quit. Metformin is a standard treatment used everywhere else, whereas in Rhode Island, only a handful of doctors have recently started prescribing it—likely because they're still reading those same generic internet articles.

Women can call them whatever they want, I suppose, but the reality is that they actually lead to improvements; honestly, very few actual therapies cure a disease, whereas most just suppress symptoms or provide temporary relief.

Samuel Morgan40 said:Maria Gomez4 and you both seem to be throwing out all sorts of theories—look, I live with PCOS myself, so please don't just drop links to some overly generalized lifestyle site and start lecturing about how pills or clomiphene are "good therapies." What kind of therapy? Since when are birth control pills considered a "therapy"? And what happens once you stop taking them? Most women view them as nothing more than cosmetic fixes—they just mask the symptoms. Why would anyone jump straight to clomiphene? Don't you realize that every single patient is a unique case? It is incredibly, highly individual; no two experiences are identical. For instance, my own lab results and even my Mayo Clinic ultrasounds vary significantly from one checkup to the next. It's common knowledge, really, and any decent OB-GYN will tell you the same: diet, exercise, and so on.

God knows which pills have actually helped resolve the issue, considering we all know everything just reverts to the status quo once you quit. Metformin is a standard treatment used everywhere else, whereas in Rhode Island, only a handful of doctors have recently started prescribing it—likely because they're still reading those same generic internet articles.

I don't recall ever saying that, though.

Samuel Morgan40 said:Maria Gomez4 and you both seem to be throwing out all sorts of theories—look, I live with PCOS myself, so please don't just drop links to some overly generalized lifestyle site and start lecturing about how pills or clomiphene are "good therapies." What kind of therapy? Since when are birth control pills considered a "therapy"? And what happens once you stop taking them? Most women view them as nothing more than cosmetic fixes—they just mask the symptoms. Why would anyone jump straight to clomiphene? Don't you realize that every single patient is a unique case? It is incredibly, highly individual; no two experiences are identical. For instance, my own lab results and even my Mayo Clinic ultrasounds vary significantly from one checkup to the next. It's common knowledge, really, and any decent OB-GYN will tell you the same: diet, exercise, and so on.

God knows which pills have actually helped resolve the issue, considering we all know everything just reverts to the status quo once you quit. Metformin is a standard treatment used everywhere else, whereas in Rhode Island, only a handful of doctors have recently started prescribing it—likely because they're still reading those same generic internet articles.

I am well aware that every patient is unique and that doctors should be treating the person rather than just the illness, I guess.

Samuel Morgan40 said:Maria Gomez4 and you both seem to be throwing out all sorts of theories—look, I live with PCOS myself, so please don't just drop links to some overly generalized lifestyle site and start lecturing about how pills or clomiphene are "good therapies." What kind of therapy? Since when are birth control pills considered a "therapy"? And what happens once you stop taking them? Most women view them as nothing more than cosmetic fixes—they just mask the symptoms. Why would anyone jump straight to clomiphene? Don't you realize that every single patient is a unique case? It is incredibly, highly individual; no two experiences are identical. For instance, my own lab results and even my Mayo Clinic ultrasounds vary significantly from one checkup to the next. It's common knowledge, really, and any decent OB-GYN will tell you the same: diet, exercise, and so on.

God knows which pills have actually helped resolve the issue, considering we all know everything just reverts to the status quo once you quit. Metformin is a standard treatment used everywhere else, whereas in Rhode Island, only a handful of doctors have recently started prescribing it—likely because they're still reading those same generic internet articles.

True, because those factors impact the pathophysiological insulin resistance, which eventually leads to a higher risk of diabetes, I suppose.

Samuel Morgan40 said:Maria Gomez4 and you both seem to be throwing out all sorts of theories—look, I live with PCOS myself, so please don't just drop links to some overly generalized lifestyle site and start lecturing about how pills or clomiphene are "good therapies." What kind of therapy? Since when are birth control pills considered a "therapy"? And what happens once you stop taking them? Most women view them as nothing more than cosmetic fixes—they just mask the symptoms. Why would anyone jump straight to clomiphene? Don't you realize that every single patient is a unique case? It is incredibly, highly individual; no two experiences are identical. For instance, my own lab results and even my Mayo Clinic ultrasounds vary significantly from one checkup to the next. It's common knowledge, really, and any decent OB-GYN will tell you the same: diet, exercise, and so on.

God knows which pills have actually helped resolve the issue, considering we all know everything just reverts to the status quo once you quit. Metformin is a standard treatment used everywhere else, whereas in Rhode Island, only a handful of doctors have recently started prescribing it—likely because they're still reading those same generic internet articles.

It's spelled metformin—you flipped the letters. Based on what you're saying, it almost sounds like you're implying metformin is some kind of miracle cure that actually fixes things once and for all.
I suppose using metformin for PCOS treatment is a well-known approach, but its actual effectiveness is still being debated; there was probably a lot of hype surrounding it initially, though more recent studies haven't been quite as optimistic.
Oral contraceptives also help prevent certain other conditions that tend to be linked with PCOS.

I guess I have one question for you, which is, what would you say is the fundamental underlying disorder that leads to the development of polycystic ovaries in the first place?

dustynomad8 said:If my thyroid results come back positive... is that actually bad? I mean, how much am I going to have to deal with this? My mom is already 20 years into this and she’s on those pills constantly. I honestly don't know anything about it. I've been scrolling through the forums, but I haven't found a straight answer on what's actually coming my way 🙄
Sorry for bugging you all with these stupid questions, but I'm starting to panic 😢

Regarding the thyroid, it’s not the end of the world. 🙂

There isn't some magic pill that "cures" your thyroid, but there is hormone replacement therapy. For some people, things stabilize and they can drop the dose, or in rare cases, stop entirely. But most of the time, it's a lifelong thing.

I had the exact same thought—wondering if I'd be stuck on meds forever. But once you look it up or talk to people, you realize it’s not that deep. Look at it this way: imagine you're deficient in a specific vitamin and you have to take a supplement to stay healthy. That's basically what this is. If it's hypothyroidism—meaning you're low on thyroid hormones—you're just replacing what's missing with a pill. It's like a vitamin supplement. The only catch is that you can't just eat your way out of a thyroid issue like you can with certain vitamins.

Don't freak out if it turns out to be your thyroid. You really don't need to. Plenty of us live perfectly fine lives even with shitty thyroid levels. 🙂

dustynomad8 said:If my thyroid results come back positive... is that actually bad? I mean, how much am I going to have to deal with this? My mom is already 20 years into this and she’s on those pills constantly. I honestly don't know anything about it. I've been scrolling through the forums, but I haven't found a straight answer on what's actually coming my way 🙄
Sorry for bugging you all with these stupid questions, but I'm starting to panic 😢

I wouldn't worry too much ahead of time... things will likely work themselves out... best of luck and hang in there 🙂

uhh thanks guys... feeling a bit better now 🙂
i'll let you know once I get some results 👍

Maria Gomez4 said:Since they have been for quite a while now, I guess.

Women can call them whatever they want, I suppose, but the reality is that they actually lead to improvements; honestly, very few actual therapies cure a disease, whereas most just suppress symptoms or provide temporary relief.

I don't recall ever saying that, though.

I am well aware that every patient is unique and that doctors should be treating the person rather than just the illness, I guess.

True, because those factors impact the pathophysiological insulin resistance, which eventually leads to a higher risk of diabetes, I suppose.

It's spelled metformin—you flipped the letters. Based on what you're saying, it almost sounds like you're implying metformin is some kind of miracle cure that actually fixes things once and for all.
I suppose using metformin for PCOS treatment is a well-known approach, but its actual effectiveness is still being debated; there was probably a lot of hype surrounding it initially, though more recent studies haven't been quite as optimistic.
Oral contraceptives also help prevent certain other conditions that tend to be linked with PCOS.

I guess I have one question for you, which is, what would you say is the fundamental underlying disorder that leads to the development of polycystic ovaries in the first place?

And how long does this actually last? It feels like people are just masking the symptoms—everything from acne to much more serious issues. As long as you’re taking the medication, things seem fine, but once you stop, you're right back where you started. Honestly, if you just look back at that thread from the beginning, you'll see the pattern. For some people, there isn't even any improvement while they're still on it. I know most people call this kind of approach "therapy"—and I’m using those quotation marks very intentionally—but the reality here is that mainstream medicine still hasn't provided any adequate answers. I realize Morphine is still widely accepted as a standard treatment, but in my opinion, it remains nothing more than a temporary fix that works best only when paired with a truly healthy lifestyle.

Wait—where on earth did I write that?

You mentioned Clomiphene—as if that’s some sort of definitive requirement for anyone looking to increase their sperm count—but honestly, presenting it that way feels a bit too black-and-white. It makes it sound like an absolute "must-do" rule, which, in actual practice, just isn't the case. I assume you're aware of that nuance, though.

Well, yes—because it directly impacts that pathophysiological excess of insulin, which, as it turns out, is proven to lead to an increased risk of developing diabetes.

Well, that’s exactly the point of this whole thing—so many of us (often following the advice of various specialists) try desperately to keep everything "under control" through lifestyle changes alone. I don't really fall into that category of people presenting with all the classic symptoms; I’m at a healthy weight, for one. My only real issue—if you can even call it luck or misfortune at this stage—is that I’m currently unable to take any pills. Instead, I have to rely on this specific way of living—or rather, this strict regimen...😁I suppose there’s a way to actually get things back on track—moving from that constant PCOS chaos toward more predictable ovulation, regular cycles, and just... everything else falling into place.

You swapped the "f" and the "m" in Morphine—it’s Morphine, by the way. And if I’m reading your comment correctly, you’re implying that my statement suggests Morphine is some kind of miracle cure? I suppose that’s one way to interpret it, though I wouldn't go that far.

Thanks for catching that—typos happen, I guess. My mother is actually the one taking it. 😉
It seems the principle has proven to be... well, let's just say it hasn't exactly lived up to the lofty expectations one might have had initially—though, I suppose, if you were expecting perfection, you probably shouldn't have been looking in this direction to begin with. It has turned out to be quite something, perhaps more of a cautionary tale than a success story, if that makes any sense. Maybe I'm being too harsh, but from where I'm sitting, the results speak for themselves. I suppose if one were to look for a more productive way of approaching this—though I’m hardly an expert on what constitutes "efficiency" in these matters—one might find that certain methods yield slightly better results than others. It’s all rather subjective, I guess. Maybe there's a more effective angle here, provided one actually puts in the effort to pivot....particularly when dealing with those who are overweight.

It’s worth considering—though I’m certainly no doctor here—that oral contraceptives might do more than just manage cycles; they could potentially mitigate some of those other pesky conditions often tied to PCOS. I suppose there's a certain level of preventative overlap there, if that makes sense.

You’re absolutely right on that point—but it is quite a stretch to suggest they’re actually fixing the underlying issues, or even that we can expect any real improvement once they're done.

I have a question for you—what would you say is the fundamental, core underlying disorder that actually leads to the development of PCOS?

I see you have a penchant for asking questions, but I’m honestly struggling to see the point here—especially since we are dealing with a condition where every single possible trigger is still being actively investigated. We are talking about everything from insulin levels and tissue response to complex genetics and beyond. If my memory serves me right—and it usually does—we already chewed through all those potential causes and their various implications back when we were discussing the PCOS thread. So, if you happen to have some groundbreaking new data, by all means, feel free to share it. But I really can't stand this tendency to frame everything in such stark black-and-white terms. There is plenty of gray area to navigate here; after all, we are dealing with PCOS, not a simple math equation.

Samuel Morgan40 said:And how long does this actually last? It feels like people are just masking the symptoms—everything from acne to much more serious issues. As long as you’re taking the medication, things seem fine, but once you stop, you're right back where you started. Honestly, if you just look back at that thread from the beginning, you'll see the pattern. For some people, there isn't even any improvement while they're still on it. I know most people call this kind of approach "therapy"—and I’m using those quotation marks very intentionally—but the reality here is that mainstream medicine still hasn't provided any adequate answers. I realize Morphine is still widely accepted as a standard treatment, but in my opinion, it remains nothing more than a temporary fix that works best only when paired with a truly healthy lifestyle.

Wait—where on earth did I write that?

You mentioned Clomiphene—as if that’s some sort of definitive requirement for anyone looking to increase their sperm count—but honestly, presenting it that way feels a bit too black-and-white. It makes it sound like an absolute "must-do" rule, which, in actual practice, just isn't the case. I assume you're aware of that nuance, though.

Well, yes—because it directly impacts that pathophysiological excess of insulin, which, as it turns out, is proven to lead to an increased risk of developing diabetes.

Well, that’s exactly the point of this whole thing—so many of us (often following the advice of various specialists) try desperately to keep everything "under control" through lifestyle changes alone. I don't really fall into that category of people presenting with all the classic symptoms; I’m at a healthy weight, for one. My only real issue—if you can even call it luck or misfortune at this stage—is that I’m currently unable to take any pills. Instead, I have to rely on this specific way of living—or rather, this strict regimen...😁I suppose there’s a way to actually get things back on track—moving from that constant PCOS chaos toward more predictable ovulation, regular cycles, and just... everything else falling into place.

You swapped the "f" and the "m" in Morphine—it’s Morphine, by the way. And if I’m reading your comment correctly, you’re implying that my statement suggests Morphine is some kind of miracle cure? I suppose that’s one way to interpret it, though I wouldn't go that far.

Thanks for catching that—typos happen, I guess. My mother is actually the one taking it. 😉
It seems the principle has proven to be... well, let's just say it hasn't exactly lived up to the lofty expectations one might have had initially—though, I suppose, if you were expecting perfection, you probably shouldn't have been looking in this direction to begin with. It has turned out to be quite something, perhaps more of a cautionary tale than a success story, if that makes any sense. Maybe I'm being too harsh, but from where I'm sitting, the results speak for themselves. I suppose if one were to look for a more productive way of approaching this—though I’m hardly an expert on what constitutes "efficiency" in these matters—one might find that certain methods yield slightly better results than others. It’s all rather subjective, I guess. Maybe there's a more effective angle here, provided one actually puts in the effort to pivot....particularly when dealing with those who are overweight.

It’s worth considering—though I’m certainly no doctor here—that oral contraceptives might do more than just manage cycles; they could potentially mitigate some of those other pesky conditions often tied to PCOS. I suppose there's a certain level of preventative overlap there, if that makes sense.

You’re absolutely right on that point—but it is quite a stretch to suggest they’re actually fixing the underlying issues, or even that we can expect any real improvement once they're done.

I have a question for you—what would you say is the fundamental, core underlying disorder that actually leads to the development of PCOS?

I see you have a penchant for asking questions, but I’m honestly struggling to see the point here—especially since we are dealing with a condition where every single possible trigger is still being actively investigated. We are talking about everything from insulin levels and tissue response to complex genetics and beyond. If my memory serves me right—and it usually does—we already chewed through all those potential causes and their various implications back when we were discussing the PCOS thread. So, if you happen to have some groundbreaking new data, by all means, feel free to share it. But I really can't stand this tendency to frame everything in such stark black-and-white terms. There is plenty of gray area to navigate here; after all, we are dealing with PCOS, not a simple math equation.

I guess I don't quite understand why you're getting so worked up about the lack of a standard treatment for PCOS, especially when we're already dealing with therapies for high blood pressure, diabetes, migraines, and various autoimmune diseases... maybe there's more to it, but I just don't see the logic behind the frustration.

Samuel Morgan40 said:And how long does this actually last? It feels like people are just masking the symptoms—everything from acne to much more serious issues. As long as you’re taking the medication, things seem fine, but once you stop, you're right back where you started. Honestly, if you just look back at that thread from the beginning, you'll see the pattern. For some people, there isn't even any improvement while they're still on it. I know most people call this kind of approach "therapy"—and I’m using those quotation marks very intentionally—but the reality here is that mainstream medicine still hasn't provided any adequate answers. I realize Morphine is still widely accepted as a standard treatment, but in my opinion, it remains nothing more than a temporary fix that works best only when paired with a truly healthy lifestyle.

Wait—where on earth did I write that?

You mentioned Clomiphene—as if that’s some sort of definitive requirement for anyone looking to increase their sperm count—but honestly, presenting it that way feels a bit too black-and-white. It makes it sound like an absolute "must-do" rule, which, in actual practice, just isn't the case. I assume you're aware of that nuance, though.

Well, yes—because it directly impacts that pathophysiological excess of insulin, which, as it turns out, is proven to lead to an increased risk of developing diabetes.

Well, that’s exactly the point of this whole thing—so many of us (often following the advice of various specialists) try desperately to keep everything "under control" through lifestyle changes alone. I don't really fall into that category of people presenting with all the classic symptoms; I’m at a healthy weight, for one. My only real issue—if you can even call it luck or misfortune at this stage—is that I’m currently unable to take any pills. Instead, I have to rely on this specific way of living—or rather, this strict regimen...😁I suppose there’s a way to actually get things back on track—moving from that constant PCOS chaos toward more predictable ovulation, regular cycles, and just... everything else falling into place.

You swapped the "f" and the "m" in Morphine—it’s Morphine, by the way. And if I’m reading your comment correctly, you’re implying that my statement suggests Morphine is some kind of miracle cure? I suppose that’s one way to interpret it, though I wouldn't go that far.

Thanks for catching that—typos happen, I guess. My mother is actually the one taking it. 😉
It seems the principle has proven to be... well, let's just say it hasn't exactly lived up to the lofty expectations one might have had initially—though, I suppose, if you were expecting perfection, you probably shouldn't have been looking in this direction to begin with. It has turned out to be quite something, perhaps more of a cautionary tale than a success story, if that makes any sense. Maybe I'm being too harsh, but from where I'm sitting, the results speak for themselves. I suppose if one were to look for a more productive way of approaching this—though I’m hardly an expert on what constitutes "efficiency" in these matters—one might find that certain methods yield slightly better results than others. It’s all rather subjective, I guess. Maybe there's a more effective angle here, provided one actually puts in the effort to pivot....particularly when dealing with those who are overweight.

It’s worth considering—though I’m certainly no doctor here—that oral contraceptives might do more than just manage cycles; they could potentially mitigate some of those other pesky conditions often tied to PCOS. I suppose there's a certain level of preventative overlap there, if that makes sense.

You’re absolutely right on that point—but it is quite a stretch to suggest they’re actually fixing the underlying issues, or even that we can expect any real improvement once they're done.

I have a question for you—what would you say is the fundamental, core underlying disorder that actually leads to the development of PCOS?

I see you have a penchant for asking questions, but I’m honestly struggling to see the point here—especially since we are dealing with a condition where every single possible trigger is still being actively investigated. We are talking about everything from insulin levels and tissue response to complex genetics and beyond. If my memory serves me right—and it usually does—we already chewed through all those potential causes and their various implications back when we were discussing the PCOS thread. So, if you happen to have some groundbreaking new data, by all means, feel free to share it. But I really can't stand this tendency to frame everything in such stark black-and-white terms. There is plenty of gray area to navigate here; after all, we are dealing with PCOS, not a simple math equation.

I suppose I don't really know how much you actually understand about this topic, so I’m honestly not sure if it's even worth having a serious conversation with you. Just do me a favor and try to answer—well, at least make an effort, because I do value that, I guess. I'm curious to see what your level of knowledge is, but more importantly, I want to understand what exactly is happening here; why these sores form, what causes them in the first place, why they are such a problem, and what specifically triggers all this discomfort.

I suppose the reason that link is actually worth anything is because it provides such a decent, thorough description of the situation.

Samuel Morgan40 said:And how long does this actually last? It feels like people are just masking the symptoms—everything from acne to much more serious issues. As long as you’re taking the medication, things seem fine, but once you stop, you're right back where you started. Honestly, if you just look back at that thread from the beginning, you'll see the pattern. For some people, there isn't even any improvement while they're still on it. I know most people call this kind of approach "therapy"—and I’m using those quotation marks very intentionally—but the reality here is that mainstream medicine still hasn't provided any adequate answers. I realize Morphine is still widely accepted as a standard treatment, but in my opinion, it remains nothing more than a temporary fix that works best only when paired with a truly healthy lifestyle.

Wait—where on earth did I write that?

You mentioned Clomiphene—as if that’s some sort of definitive requirement for anyone looking to increase their sperm count—but honestly, presenting it that way feels a bit too black-and-white. It makes it sound like an absolute "must-do" rule, which, in actual practice, just isn't the case. I assume you're aware of that nuance, though.

Well, yes—because it directly impacts that pathophysiological excess of insulin, which, as it turns out, is proven to lead to an increased risk of developing diabetes.

Well, that’s exactly the point of this whole thing—so many of us (often following the advice of various specialists) try desperately to keep everything "under control" through lifestyle changes alone. I don't really fall into that category of people presenting with all the classic symptoms; I’m at a healthy weight, for one. My only real issue—if you can even call it luck or misfortune at this stage—is that I’m currently unable to take any pills. Instead, I have to rely on this specific way of living—or rather, this strict regimen...😁I suppose there’s a way to actually get things back on track—moving from that constant PCOS chaos toward more predictable ovulation, regular cycles, and just... everything else falling into place.

You swapped the "f" and the "m" in Morphine—it’s Morphine, by the way. And if I’m reading your comment correctly, you’re implying that my statement suggests Morphine is some kind of miracle cure? I suppose that’s one way to interpret it, though I wouldn't go that far.

Thanks for catching that—typos happen, I guess. My mother is actually the one taking it. 😉
It seems the principle has proven to be... well, let's just say it hasn't exactly lived up to the lofty expectations one might have had initially—though, I suppose, if you were expecting perfection, you probably shouldn't have been looking in this direction to begin with. It has turned out to be quite something, perhaps more of a cautionary tale than a success story, if that makes any sense. Maybe I'm being too harsh, but from where I'm sitting, the results speak for themselves. I suppose if one were to look for a more productive way of approaching this—though I’m hardly an expert on what constitutes "efficiency" in these matters—one might find that certain methods yield slightly better results than others. It’s all rather subjective, I guess. Maybe there's a more effective angle here, provided one actually puts in the effort to pivot....particularly when dealing with those who are overweight.

It’s worth considering—though I’m certainly no doctor here—that oral contraceptives might do more than just manage cycles; they could potentially mitigate some of those other pesky conditions often tied to PCOS. I suppose there's a certain level of preventative overlap there, if that makes sense.

You’re absolutely right on that point—but it is quite a stretch to suggest they’re actually fixing the underlying issues, or even that we can expect any real improvement once they're done.

I have a question for you—what would you say is the fundamental, core underlying disorder that actually leads to the development of PCOS?

I see you have a penchant for asking questions, but I’m honestly struggling to see the point here—especially since we are dealing with a condition where every single possible trigger is still being actively investigated. We are talking about everything from insulin levels and tissue response to complex genetics and beyond. If my memory serves me right—and it usually does—we already chewed through all those potential causes and their various implications back when we were discussing the PCOS thread. So, if you happen to have some groundbreaking new data, by all means, feel free to share it. But I really can't stand this tendency to frame everything in such stark black-and-white terms. There is plenty of gray area to navigate here; after all, we are dealing with PCOS, not a simple math equation.

I suppose you just have an excessive amount of grease.

Samuel Morgan40 I suppose it could be argued that...
I suppose I don't exactly fit the classic profile of someone dealing with these symptoms, especially since my weight is perfectly normal, though I guess I’m just unlucky enough to be unable to take any pills at the moment, which makes following this kind of regimen—if you could even call it that—rather difficult.😁I suppose you could eventually find some way to get things back on track—moving from that constant PCOS struggle back toward regular ovulation and just getting your entire cycle under control, I guess.

I find it all a bit hypocritical, I guess... when you claim you don't suffer from the classic symptoms—arguing that your clinical presentation is somehow milder—and then you have the audacity to criticize therapies specifically designed for more severe cases, especially since you manage your own condition just fine through diet and exercise. I suppose everyone is entitled to their own perspective on their illness, and everyone certainly has the right to be informed about the treatments available to them.
So, I guess you aren't exactly thrilled with the pills, or maybe that's just how it is?

Samuel Morgan40 said:And how long does this actually last? It feels like people are just masking the symptoms—everything from acne to much more serious issues. As long as you’re taking the medication, things seem fine, but once you stop, you're right back where you started. Honestly, if you just look back at that thread from the beginning, you'll see the pattern. For some people, there isn't even any improvement while they're still on it. I know most people call this kind of approach "therapy"—and I’m using those quotation marks very intentionally—but the reality here is that mainstream medicine still hasn't provided any adequate answers. I realize Morphine is still widely accepted as a standard treatment, but in my opinion, it remains nothing more than a temporary fix that works best only when paired with a truly healthy lifestyle.

Wait—where on earth did I write that?

You mentioned Clomiphene—as if that’s some sort of definitive requirement for anyone looking to increase their sperm count—but honestly, presenting it that way feels a bit too black-and-white. It makes it sound like an absolute "must-do" rule, which, in actual practice, just isn't the case. I assume you're aware of that nuance, though.

Well, yes—because it directly impacts that pathophysiological excess of insulin, which, as it turns out, is proven to lead to an increased risk of developing diabetes.

Well, that’s exactly the point of this whole thing—so many of us (often following the advice of various specialists) try desperately to keep everything "under control" through lifestyle changes alone. I don't really fall into that category of people presenting with all the classic symptoms; I’m at a healthy weight, for one. My only real issue—if you can even call it luck or misfortune at this stage—is that I’m currently unable to take any pills. Instead, I have to rely on this specific way of living—or rather, this strict regimen...😁I suppose there’s a way to actually get things back on track—moving from that constant PCOS chaos toward more predictable ovulation, regular cycles, and just... everything else falling into place.

You swapped the "f" and the "m" in Morphine—it’s Morphine, by the way. And if I’m reading your comment correctly, you’re implying that my statement suggests Morphine is some kind of miracle cure? I suppose that’s one way to interpret it, though I wouldn't go that far.

Thanks for catching that—typos happen, I guess. My mother is actually the one taking it. 😉
It seems the principle has proven to be... well, let's just say it hasn't exactly lived up to the lofty expectations one might have had initially—though, I suppose, if you were expecting perfection, you probably shouldn't have been looking in this direction to begin with. It has turned out to be quite something, perhaps more of a cautionary tale than a success story, if that makes any sense. Maybe I'm being too harsh, but from where I'm sitting, the results speak for themselves. I suppose if one were to look for a more productive way of approaching this—though I’m hardly an expert on what constitutes "efficiency" in these matters—one might find that certain methods yield slightly better results than others. It’s all rather subjective, I guess. Maybe there's a more effective angle here, provided one actually puts in the effort to pivot....particularly when dealing with those who are overweight.

It’s worth considering—though I’m certainly no doctor here—that oral contraceptives might do more than just manage cycles; they could potentially mitigate some of those other pesky conditions often tied to PCOS. I suppose there's a certain level of preventative overlap there, if that makes sense.

You’re absolutely right on that point—but it is quite a stretch to suggest they’re actually fixing the underlying issues, or even that we can expect any real improvement once they're done.

I have a question for you—what would you say is the fundamental, core underlying disorder that actually leads to the development of PCOS?

I see you have a penchant for asking questions, but I’m honestly struggling to see the point here—especially since we are dealing with a condition where every single possible trigger is still being actively investigated. We are talking about everything from insulin levels and tissue response to complex genetics and beyond. If my memory serves me right—and it usually does—we already chewed through all those potential causes and their various implications back when we were discussing the PCOS thread. So, if you happen to have some groundbreaking new data, by all means, feel free to share it. But I really can't stand this tendency to frame everything in such stark black-and-white terms. There is plenty of gray area to navigate here; after all, we are dealing with PCOS, not a simple math equation.

I didn't actually write that, if we're being honest. But I suppose one could argue that anovulation is a recognized risk factor for certain types of tumors, so maybe there is actually a significant long-term benefit to taking oral contraceptives.
The pill might alleviate some symptoms—provided we aren't strictly dealing with progesterone issues—but I suppose if the case is more severe, additional measures would likely be necessary. If the primary concern is hirsutism, it could potentially be a constitutional issue, much like certain ethnic predispositions seen here in the States, or perhaps just persistent acne; in those instances, someone already on the pill might find that augmenting their treatment with retinoids helps, though I guess those shouldn't really be prescribed without hormonal contraception being part of the equation.

Samuel Morgan40 I guess someone mentioned that...
I see you have a penchant for asking questions, though I suppose it isn't entirely clear to me why you bother, especially when we are discussing a subject where every conceivable cause—ranging from insulin levels and tissue sensitivity all the way down to complex genetics—is still being actively investigated.

That’s exactly my point. I don't really know what the rest of you actually understand, because all I can go by is the quality of the responses I've seen here so far... and honestly, it hasn't been particularly impressive.
I honestly think that link I shared is quite exceptional. I’d highly recommend taking a look at it; actually, you should probably read it once, then go back and read it again—maybe even keep reading until you can explain the core concept to someone else without having to think about it too much.
In medicine, when an answer isn't clearly defined, it’s almost always followed by that vague, frustrating phrase: "there are several theories..."

@ dustynomad8

Go get some testing done immediately. Find an endocrinologist and have them run a full panel—check your hormones, thyroid, adrenal glands, ovaries... the whole works. Block out a full day for this. Your health is the priority here; everything else can wait.

dustynomad8 said:uhh thanks guys... feeling a bit better now 🙂
i'll let you know once I get some results 👍

Like melloworca6 mentioned, this has become such a common issue these days, but it’s something you can manage pretty effectively once you have a plan. Definitely keep us posted on what the doctors say.

Maria Gomez4 said:I guess I don't quite understand why you're getting so worked up about the lack of a standard treatment for PCOS, especially when we're already dealing with therapies for high blood pressure, diabetes, migraines, and various autoimmune diseases... maybe there's more to it, but I just don't see the logic behind the frustration.

I suppose I don't really know how much you actually understand about this topic, so I’m honestly not sure if it's even worth having a serious conversation with you. Just do me a favor and try to answer—well, at least make an effort, because I do value that, I guess. I'm curious to see what your level of knowledge is, but more importantly, I want to understand what exactly is happening here; why these sores form, what causes them in the first place, why they are such a problem, and what specifically triggers all this discomfort.

I suppose the reason that link is actually worth anything is because it provides such a decent, thorough description of the situation.

I suppose you just have an excessive amount of grease.

Samuel Morgan40 I suppose it could be argued that...
I suppose I don't exactly fit the classic profile of someone dealing with these symptoms, especially since my weight is perfectly normal, though I guess I’m just unlucky enough to be unable to take any pills at the moment, which makes following this kind of regimen—if you could even call it that—rather difficult.😁I suppose you could eventually find some way to get things back on track—moving from that constant PCOS struggle back toward regular ovulation and just getting your entire cycle under control, I guess.

I find it all a bit hypocritical, I guess... when you claim you don't suffer from the classic symptoms—arguing that your clinical presentation is somehow milder—and then you have the audacity to criticize therapies specifically designed for more severe cases, especially since you manage your own condition just fine through diet and exercise. I suppose everyone is entitled to their own perspective on their illness, and everyone certainly has the right to be informed about the treatments available to them.
So, I guess you aren't exactly thrilled with the pills, or maybe that's just how it is?

I didn't actually write that, if we're being honest. But I suppose one could argue that anovulation is a recognized risk factor for certain types of tumors, so maybe there is actually a significant long-term benefit to taking oral contraceptives.
The pill might alleviate some symptoms—provided we aren't strictly dealing with progesterone issues—but I suppose if the case is more severe, additional measures would likely be necessary. If the primary concern is hirsutism, it could potentially be a constitutional issue, much like certain ethnic predispositions seen here in the States, or perhaps just persistent acne; in those instances, someone already on the pill might find that augmenting their treatment with retinoids helps, though I guess those shouldn't really be prescribed without hormonal contraception being part of the equation.

Samuel Morgan40 I guess someone mentioned that...
I see you have a penchant for asking questions, though I suppose it isn't entirely clear to me why you bother, especially when we are discussing a subject where every conceivable cause—ranging from insulin levels and tissue sensitivity all the way down to complex genetics—is still being actively investigated.

That’s exactly my point. I don't really know what the rest of you actually understand, because all I can go by is the quality of the responses I've seen here so far... and honestly, it hasn't been particularly impressive.
I honestly think that link I shared is quite exceptional. I’d highly recommend taking a look at it; actually, you should probably read it once, then go back and read it again—maybe even keep reading until you can explain the core concept to someone else without having to think about it too much.
In medicine, when an answer isn't clearly defined, it’s almost always followed by that vague, frustrating phrase: "there are several theories..."

How can you even pose a question like that to someone living with a syndrome or any kind of chronic illness? Regardless of what PCOS entails—and let’s be honest, it's incredibly frustrating enough as it is—it just seems... misplaced. I mean, I guess some people are just oblivious, but still. 🤦

Look, I’d appreciate it if you could actually put some effort into answering me—or at least give it a decent shot (I do value the attempt, I suppose). I’m trying to gauge how much you actually know about this subject. Specifically, I’m wondering what exactly is going on here—why these clear patches develop, what their actual origin is, and why they're considered such a problem. I'd also like to understand what exactly triggers the discomfort associated with them...

It’s pretty obvious you didn't actually put any effort into this—you just skimmed the surface of the topic and scrolled through the posts without really engaging. I mean, if I were to actually invest the time and energy to give you a proper response, you probably wouldn't even know what to do with it. 🤔 Perhaps some sort of specific sense of satisfaction—having a worthy adversary, I suppose—just to prove to himself that he actually knows what he’s doing? 🤷 Look, we’ve been discussing the whole PCOS situation over on the ZZ Top forums for ages now—so please, just go read through them. Seriously, come join the conversation. I don't mind at all; if anything, it gives me a chance to toss some helpful advice to the other girls along the way. It feels like I'm practically taking a final exam with you, given that I'm navigating these exact same issues myself—I mean, I'm constantly hunting down new info every single day. It doesn't really occur to me to keep posting here, because I could probably write endless essays on this topic and just end up drifting further and further off-topic—which, let's be honest, we already have. 😳 It’s just not particularly fair to the person who actually started this thread, I suppose. But hey—don't sweat it—I happen to know exactly what the answers are.

Am I really reading Rod's posts for the hundredth time? Thanks for that—I’ve actually already gone through and copied all this from our other forums years ago; it’s all very general, you know, nice on the surface, but you really have to dig if you want anything substantial. If you only knew how much effort we're forced to put in—digging, searching, scouring actual medical journals and specialized literature just to find something useful... I wouldn't be writing this if we actually put in the work or if there was any real "appreciation for the effort" involved. Honestly, there isn't a single thing regarding PCOS that hasn't already been chewed up and spit out by the information available online.

So, what's the deal—are you just not a fan of the pills, or is there something else going on?

Alright, I’ll get around to writing that for you—eventually. You certainly have quite the vivid imagination—I suppose that’s one way to look at it, though I can't say I'm entirely sure what you intended by that remark..😁
I can't take them right now—it's just not an option. I won't go into the specifics of why or how this happened, but there is a medical reason behind it that my gynecologist is already fully aware of.

It wasn't me writing that—not this time, anyway.

What exactly did you mean when you wrote that "...?"Women can call them whatever they want—it’s their prerogative, I suppose—but the bottom line remains the same: they actually lead to improvements.I suppose I should have mentioned—though I'm not entirely certain if it matters now—that once you stop the treatment, there isn't any lasting improvement to speak of. It’s more like... well, you see some progress for a little while after you quit, and then just like that, it's over. That's really all there is to it, I guess.
You were the one who claimed I had an "easier clinical picture"—but how can you possibly know that? I didn't actually say that; I merely mentioned that I wasn't experiencing the classic symptoms, which—if we're being precise—is hardly the same thing. A lighter image. It doesn't just mean falling within a "normal" weight range or dealing with atypical symptoms—honestly, being underweight can actually be even more grueling to manage.

The link I shared is actually quite excellent. I highly suggest you take a look. Read it. Read it once more. Honestly, read it until you can explain the core concepts to someone else without breaking a sweat.

It’s very kind of you to recommend a link that I—and, frankly, everyone else here—have already scrolled through a million times on our other forums. Over and over again. You’re suggesting something we have been debating daily for years now, covering the exact same ground that almost every woman dealing with PCOS in America already understands. There isn't anything groundbreaking on that page, really. I suppose I don't quite grasp what the issue is here, my goodness 🤷? I could just as easily point you toward an endless list of American medical texts regarding this syndrome, insulin resistance, and the various interconnected factors involved, or perhaps some documentaries.😛

Samuel Morgan40 said:How can you even pose a question like that to someone living with a syndrome or any kind of chronic illness? Regardless of what PCOS entails—and let’s be honest, it's incredibly frustrating enough as it is—it just seems... misplaced. I mean, I guess some people are just oblivious, but still. 🤦

Look, I’d appreciate it if you could actually put some effort into answering me—or at least give it a decent shot (I do value the attempt, I suppose). I’m trying to gauge how much you actually know about this subject. Specifically, I’m wondering what exactly is going on here—why these clear patches develop, what their actual origin is, and why they're considered such a problem. I'd also like to understand what exactly triggers the discomfort associated with them...

It’s pretty obvious you didn't actually put any effort into this—you just skimmed the surface of the topic and scrolled through the posts without really engaging. I mean, if I were to actually invest the time and energy to give you a proper response, you probably wouldn't even know what to do with it. 🤔 Perhaps some sort of specific sense of satisfaction—having a worthy adversary, I suppose—just to prove to himself that he actually knows what he’s doing? 🤷 Look, we’ve been discussing the whole PCOS situation over on the ZZ Top forums for ages now—so please, just go read through them. Seriously, come join the conversation. I don't mind at all; if anything, it gives me a chance to toss some helpful advice to the other girls along the way. It feels like I'm practically taking a final exam with you, given that I'm navigating these exact same issues myself—I mean, I'm constantly hunting down new info every single day. It doesn't really occur to me to keep posting here, because I could probably write endless essays on this topic and just end up drifting further and further off-topic—which, let's be honest, we already have. 😳 It’s just not particularly fair to the person who actually started this thread, I suppose. But hey—don't sweat it—I happen to know exactly what the answers are.

Am I really reading Rod's posts for the hundredth time? Thanks for that—I’ve actually already gone through and copied all this from our other forums years ago; it’s all very general, you know, nice on the surface, but you really have to dig if you want anything substantial. If you only knew how much effort we're forced to put in—digging, searching, scouring actual medical journals and specialized literature just to find something useful... I wouldn't be writing this if we actually put in the work or if there was any real "appreciation for the effort" involved. Honestly, there isn't a single thing regarding PCOS that hasn't already been chewed up and spit out by the information available online.

So, what's the deal—are you just not a fan of the pills, or is there something else going on?

Alright, I’ll get around to writing that for you—eventually. You certainly have quite the vivid imagination—I suppose that’s one way to look at it, though I can't say I'm entirely sure what you intended by that remark..😁
I can't take them right now—it's just not an option. I won't go into the specifics of why or how this happened, but there is a medical reason behind it that my gynecologist is already fully aware of.

It wasn't me writing that—not this time, anyway.

What exactly did you mean when you wrote that "...?"Women can call them whatever they want—it’s their prerogative, I suppose—but the bottom line remains the same: they actually lead to improvements.I suppose I should have mentioned—though I'm not entirely certain if it matters now—that once you stop the treatment, there isn't any lasting improvement to speak of. It’s more like... well, you see some progress for a little while after you quit, and then just like that, it's over. That's really all there is to it, I guess.
You were the one who claimed I had an "easier clinical picture"—but how can you possibly know that? I didn't actually say that; I merely mentioned that I wasn't experiencing the classic symptoms, which—if we're being precise—is hardly the same thing. A lighter image. It doesn't just mean falling within a "normal" weight range or dealing with atypical symptoms—honestly, being underweight can actually be even more grueling to manage.

The link I shared is actually quite excellent. I highly suggest you take a look. Read it. Read it once more. Honestly, read it until you can explain the core concepts to someone else without breaking a sweat.

It’s very kind of you to recommend a link that I—and, frankly, everyone else here—have already scrolled through a million times on our other forums. Over and over again. You’re suggesting something we have been debating daily for years now, covering the exact same ground that almost every woman dealing with PCOS in America already understands. There isn't anything groundbreaking on that page, really. I suppose I don't quite grasp what the issue is here, my goodness 🤷? I could just as easily point you toward an endless list of American medical texts regarding this syndrome, insulin resistance, and the various interconnected factors involved, or perhaps some documentaries.😛

But I suppose this is actually quite vital; we're talking about a chronic disorder here, which is essentially an incurable condition—since, as we've mostly realized by now, most things people suffer from aren't curable, they're just manageable. So, I guess it’s important to keep that in mind, to just accept it rather than running away from the reality, and maybe not to hold out hope for some sort of miracle cure.

One really ought to focus on quality of life, because you're treating the person, not just the disease, so I imagine the most acceptable therapy is whatever actually provides that for you, which is... well, it's a bit individual, isn't it?

Samuel Morgan40 said:How can you even pose a question like that to someone living with a syndrome or any kind of chronic illness? Regardless of what PCOS entails—and let’s be honest, it's incredibly frustrating enough as it is—it just seems... misplaced. I mean, I guess some people are just oblivious, but still. 🤦

Look, I’d appreciate it if you could actually put some effort into answering me—or at least give it a decent shot (I do value the attempt, I suppose). I’m trying to gauge how much you actually know about this subject. Specifically, I’m wondering what exactly is going on here—why these clear patches develop, what their actual origin is, and why they're considered such a problem. I'd also like to understand what exactly triggers the discomfort associated with them...

It’s pretty obvious you didn't actually put any effort into this—you just skimmed the surface of the topic and scrolled through the posts without really engaging. I mean, if I were to actually invest the time and energy to give you a proper response, you probably wouldn't even know what to do with it. 🤔 Perhaps some sort of specific sense of satisfaction—having a worthy adversary, I suppose—just to prove to himself that he actually knows what he’s doing? 🤷 Look, we’ve been discussing the whole PCOS situation over on the ZZ Top forums for ages now—so please, just go read through them. Seriously, come join the conversation. I don't mind at all; if anything, it gives me a chance to toss some helpful advice to the other girls along the way. It feels like I'm practically taking a final exam with you, given that I'm navigating these exact same issues myself—I mean, I'm constantly hunting down new info every single day. It doesn't really occur to me to keep posting here, because I could probably write endless essays on this topic and just end up drifting further and further off-topic—which, let's be honest, we already have. 😳 It’s just not particularly fair to the person who actually started this thread, I suppose. But hey—don't sweat it—I happen to know exactly what the answers are.

Am I really reading Rod's posts for the hundredth time? Thanks for that—I’ve actually already gone through and copied all this from our other forums years ago; it’s all very general, you know, nice on the surface, but you really have to dig if you want anything substantial. If you only knew how much effort we're forced to put in—digging, searching, scouring actual medical journals and specialized literature just to find something useful... I wouldn't be writing this if we actually put in the work or if there was any real "appreciation for the effort" involved. Honestly, there isn't a single thing regarding PCOS that hasn't already been chewed up and spit out by the information available online.

So, what's the deal—are you just not a fan of the pills, or is there something else going on?

Alright, I’ll get around to writing that for you—eventually. You certainly have quite the vivid imagination—I suppose that’s one way to look at it, though I can't say I'm entirely sure what you intended by that remark..😁
I can't take them right now—it's just not an option. I won't go into the specifics of why or how this happened, but there is a medical reason behind it that my gynecologist is already fully aware of.

It wasn't me writing that—not this time, anyway.

What exactly did you mean when you wrote that "...?"Women can call them whatever they want—it’s their prerogative, I suppose—but the bottom line remains the same: they actually lead to improvements.I suppose I should have mentioned—though I'm not entirely certain if it matters now—that once you stop the treatment, there isn't any lasting improvement to speak of. It’s more like... well, you see some progress for a little while after you quit, and then just like that, it's over. That's really all there is to it, I guess.
You were the one who claimed I had an "easier clinical picture"—but how can you possibly know that? I didn't actually say that; I merely mentioned that I wasn't experiencing the classic symptoms, which—if we're being precise—is hardly the same thing. A lighter image. It doesn't just mean falling within a "normal" weight range or dealing with atypical symptoms—honestly, being underweight can actually be even more grueling to manage.

The link I shared is actually quite excellent. I highly suggest you take a look. Read it. Read it once more. Honestly, read it until you can explain the core concepts to someone else without breaking a sweat.

It’s very kind of you to recommend a link that I—and, frankly, everyone else here—have already scrolled through a million times on our other forums. Over and over again. You’re suggesting something we have been debating daily for years now, covering the exact same ground that almost every woman dealing with PCOS in America already understands. There isn't anything groundbreaking on that page, really. I suppose I don't quite grasp what the issue is here, my goodness 🤷? I could just as easily point you toward an endless list of American medical texts regarding this syndrome, insulin resistance, and the various interconnected factors involved, or perhaps some documentaries.😛

If it's so nice, then I guess why the attitude?

I can't possibly know what your level of knowledge is, nor can I know exactly what you have or haven't read.

It's much like how you can't possibly know what I know, or specifically, what I've read.

Maria Gomez4 said:But I suppose this is actually quite vital; we're talking about a chronic disorder here, which is essentially an incurable condition—since, as we've mostly realized by now, most things people suffer from aren't curable, they're just manageable. So, I guess it’s important to keep that in mind, to just accept it rather than running away from the reality, and maybe not to hold out hope for some sort of miracle cure.

One really ought to focus on quality of life, because you're treating the person, not just the disease, so I imagine the most acceptable therapy is whatever actually provides that for you, which is... well, it's a bit individual, isn't it?

If it's so nice, then I guess why the attitude?

I can't possibly know what your level of knowledge is, nor can I know exactly what you have or haven't read.

It's much like how you can't possibly know what I know, or specifically, what I've read.

I believe I am more than aware of that—truly. I am not out there hunting for miracle elixirs or total cures, but... well, it is still incredibly frustrating, regardless of how much one understands the situation. Those who are actually living through it know that feeling all too well.😉

Just wanted to update you guys... I did some digging into kidney issues and PCOS... both came back negative. Thank God. 🙏
Anyway, my OBGYN prescribed me Lindsey 20 birth control pills... I tried looking them up online, but honestly, there's next to nothing out there. 😕
All I know is they have a really low hormone level or something... I don't even get it anymore. -.- Has anyone heard of these? Or better yet, actually used them? How much is this actually going to help with my acne and hair growth? Just wondering. 🙂

Maybe try asking on this PDF: Women's Health. Someone there might actually have an answer.