What do you guys think of this guy?

David Lewis7 said:It doesn't matter—as long as they're rushing toward that 10,000th post of "enlightenment,"
at which point you can finally charge your Grand master Lei'lui—or whatever niche technique you've mastered—for the sheer art of 🙏staring at a screen and practicing your "skills."
Just give it a few more years, maybe reach the 20,000th post, and they'll finally realize that sitting behind a computer is enough to sustain their existence and satisfy every basic need: *Transire suum pectus mundoque potiri*, che!—via the internet, obviously...

🙂 Laugh all you want, guys... but the future of combat lies exactly in computer tech and virtual battlefields.😳

theviper said:what I really want to know is—how safe is it even trying to train through the internet?

Don't.

Since you want more than a one-word answer:

Trying to train internal martial arts here in the States is a massive uphill battle. You might find a couple of people who actually get what "internal" means, but even then, maybe two or three of them have the patience to actually teach it. My advice? Just stick to whatever you’re naturally drawn to and find a teacher that clicks with you. Some people will stumble into those internal skills along the way—whether through meditation or just how they fight. Others won't even need to look for it, because those principles are baked into everything else—even BJJ—if you just pay attention and put in the work.

When I talk about internal combat skills, I mean this:
- they aren't tied to chi
- they aren't about meditation
- they aren't about relaxation
- they aren't about spirituality

If you think you've found an "internal" martial art and it's mostly focused on any of that stuff I just listed... then you haven't found an internal martial art. All those things can happen as a side effect of training any kind of skill, fighting or otherwise.

The only real metric for whether a martial art is worth anything is if it actually works in a fight.

ruggedfalcon2 said:🙂 Laugh if you want... but the future of combat is all about computer tech and virtual battlefields... 😳

ruggedfalcon2, you're damn right—you've got every bit of right... 🙏

Honestly, nobody even needs actual fighting skills—or guts, for that matter—to take someone out these days...

Come on, ruggedfalcon2—I bet you’ve already dropped some thoughts on this somewhere, right...

placidbison20 said:Does skill even serve a purpose?

So, I guess you're just training to be a housewife?

Ninjitsu feels like nothing more than aimless joint locks thrown around—it doesn't relax you, it doesn't tire you out, it doesn't get you in shape, and it certainly doesn't loosen your muscles like just sitting on the couch does. It’s all just techniques that don't actually accomplish anything—not even killing time, really.

Jamie Fowler2 said:ruggedfalcon2, you're damn right, you've got a point there. 🙏

I mean, let's face it—nobody needs martial arts skills (or even guts) to take someone out these days.

Come on, ruggedfalcon2, I'm sure you've already posted something about this somewhere, haven't you?

When exactly *was* a martial art necessary to take down an opponent?

People have had weapons since forever—if someone is better at handling them, or if they just own higher-quality gear, we're basically just relying on whoever has the bigger bank account...

David Lewis7 said:I assume you’re just training to be a chef?

Ninjutsu is essentially just aimless joint locks thrown around everywhere. It doesn't build stamina, it doesn't get you in shape, and it isn't relaxing like sitting on a couch. Plus, the techniques don't actually serve any purpose, not even for killing time.

When exactly was a martial art supposed to be used to kill an opponent?

People have always had weapons. If someone is more skilled with them, or if they simply own higher-quality gear, we’ll just let the bank account decide who wins...

Maybe Ninjutsu is.
I wouldn't know about Ninjutsu.
I haven't been training it long enough.

Let’s look at the facts here: you’ve been training something for five years now—five whole years—and you’re still sitting there questioning if it’s actually worth the effort. It’s a bit early to call it quits, don't you think?
Either you've had one too many drinks, or you're just messing with me (I'm leaning toward option two).

Jamie Fowler2 said:Nothing to say about Lacy.

Still haven't tracked down Painter yet?

But I've got plenty to say. Just look at this little guy:

http://www.ironpalm.com/YearoftheFireDog-20062.jpg or maybe

http://www.ironpalm.com/GrandmasterJ...June162006.jpg

This is how I picture Wrebox looking in ten years, I guess😬

As for Painter, he looks way too much like Mike Hammer to me😍

Jamie Fowler2 said:I guess my Chinese friend doesn't think much of him. But he should probably have some respect for his teacher, since the guy was a total legend while he was still around.

Malecki clearly only gives a damn about himself. And Kuzman too, especially after that whole mess in the park. 🤣

Wrebox said:Maybe I’m just losing my mind trying to figure out what this guy actually trains?😲 🤣

Wre, you ever read those old Marti mystery comics? I guess there's an episode called "kung fu killer" that talks about some ancient Pa Kua Chang style. That's basically what he's into...

Pipercub said:theviper, if you're looking into those "soft" styles, I'd say just listen to Jamie Fowler2 first!👍 👍 👍

Jamie Fowler2's shifu is basically trying to act like Leung Ting when it comes to charging people.😁

Pizdek said:Well, maybe because even Che has a few idiots he can squeeze for cash...

Oh look, Pizdek is back. So, what's your take on chi and internal martial arts?

Jamie Fowler2 The user said:I'll give you more than just a one-word answer:

Trying to train internal martial arts here in the States is a real uphill battle. There are a few people around who actually get what internal skills are all about, but honestly, maybe only two or three of them have the patience to actually teach it. My advice? Just stick to whatever you're naturally drawn to and find a teacher that clicks with you. Some people might stumble into those internal principles later on—whether through meditation or just their fighting style. Others probably won't even need to go looking for it, since those core principles are tucked away inside pretty much any external art, even BJJ. You just gotta look a little closer and keep at it.

I'm thinking about internal martial arts:
They don't really have anything to do with anyone, I guess.
They don't really have anything to do with meditation, I guess.
They don't really have anything to do with relaxation, I guess.
They don't really have anything to do with spirituality, I guess.

If you stumble upon something labeled "internal martial arts" that’s basically just a checklist of everything I mentioned... then yeah, you haven't actually found an internal art. I guess all those things can pop up as a byproduct of training pretty much any discipline, whether it's combat-focused or not. Maybe.

At the end of the day, the only way to actually measure if a martial art is any good is whether it works when things get real. Everything else is just noise.

Who are these people claiming to know anything about internal martial arts? And which ones actually do?
Are they actually teaching anything?

So, why even call these things "internal" skills if they don't actually have anything to do with chi? I mean, you're just throwing up energy, right?
It’s like, you know, that's how you handle him internally. I guess. 😛 And why are they even called that?
Internal stuff, maybe? If they're based on coordination and who knows what else... I guess it's just like Chekhov's toilet.
Is that also internal skill?

George Martin70 said:Well, look who's back. Hey, Pizdek, what’s your take on Qi and internal martial arts?

Yeah. Let's get it moving.
🤣

Give me something funny to read; I've been studying all day.

Jujigatame said:Yeah. let's go!!
🤣

Someone give me a good laugh... I've been staring at books all day.

Go ahead and laugh at me.
I'm out by the coast right now, but instead of enjoying it, I'm just buried in my notes. Even though I've been studying non-stop, I probably won't cover everything before my finals anyway... I've got five exams lined up. So, really, this whole grind feels pretty pointless. Just a lot of wasted effort—the studying, the tests, even the people who came up with the whole system...

George Martin70 said:-who actually knows what internal martial arts are and who's even teaching them?

-why call them "internal" if they have nothing to do with chi (you just
read someone's type and master them from the inside out 😛 ) and why bother calling them
internal at all if they're based on coordination and whatever else... and is
Chekhov's WC also an internal art?

-do your own digging and you'll find out.

-since when does "internal" mean the same thing as chi? Go look up the word "pneuma" online.

-I don't know anything about Chekhov's Wing Chun. Ask him.

Jamie Fowler2 said:- I don't know anything about Chekhov's Wing Chun. Ask him.

True, and you have to remember that Chekhov's Wing Chun is both internal and external...

George Martin70 said:-who are these people who actually claim to know what internal martial arts are, and which ones
are they actually teaching?

-why are these styles called "internal" if they don't have anything to do with chi (you just
read someone's type and master them from the inside out 😛 ) and why are they even labeled
as internal if they're just based on coordination and God knows what else, and is
Chekhov's WC also an internal art?

Here is a link if you want to take a look.
There's some interesting stuff in there.
http://www.fightingarts.com/ubbthrea.../Cat/0/Board/7

Jamie Fowler2 said:- just look it up and you'll find out.

- since when does "internal" mean the same thing as chi? I guess maybe try searching for "pneuma" online.

- I don't know Chekhov's Wing Chun. Maybe ask him.

Ok. So why are internal martial arts even called that? Like, what part of them is actually internal versus external?

George Martin70 said:Alright. So why are internal martial arts called "internal" in the first place? What part of them is actually internal versus external?

I feel like I’ve laid out my take on this at least five times already...

Basically, this whole internal vs. external split became the standard back in the early 1900s when Bagua, Tai Chi, and Xing Yi were labeled as internal, while everything else got lumped into the external category. Honestly, there wasn't some deep philosophical reason—if you ask me, it was just because there weren't any masters of other styles hanging around that specific circle of people. Later on, everyone started acting all high and mighty about being "internal"...

People drone on about different ways of developing strength—external vs. internal. To anyone who actually knows what they're talking about, that sounds pretty stupid... you can't have one without the other. Otherwise, powerlifters would be the best fighters on the planet.

Besides those classic three, the "internal" group also includes Bajiquan, Liu He Ba Fa, Xin Yi, and a bunch of other lesser-known styles.

Just because an application feels soft doesn't mean it's an internal style—the so-called external ones have plenty of soft stuff too. Same goes for chi, meditation, healing methods, whatever...