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Windows Vista vs. XP

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Participants rustyheron20Joseph Chavez7rowdytrucker27Zachary Mendoza17Richard Kim58slycrane94rustydriver22James Johnson14Kenneth Murphy5darkviper7ANicholas Chase79Adam Peterson3crimsongull3neonhawk53ironranger61Brandon Harris88Karen Garcia5
Nicholas Chase79 Nicholas Chase79 Newcomer
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#21 ·
I’ve run into a bit of a snag here and I’m really hoping you might be able to point me in the right direction. I managed to grab a copy of Windows XP Pro 64-bit edition, but I am completely stumped on how to actually make it bootable so I can get it installed via DOS or just through standard Windows XP SP2 methods. I've got an Ultra ISO file, but honestly, that software is such a pain to navigate and I'm feeling pretty lost with it.
rowdytrucker27 rowdytrucker27 Member
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#22 ·
It either boots or it doesn't... I guess.
Joseph Chavez7 Joseph Chavez7 Newcomer
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#23 ·
Sarah Hughes97 said:I'm running into a bit of a wall here and I'm hoping someone can point me in the right direction. I managed to download Windows XP Pro 64-bit edition, but I have absolutely no clue how to make it a bootable disc so I can install it via DOS or through Windows XP SP2. I've got an UltraISO file, but honestly, that program is a total disaster and I can't make heads or tails of it.

Look, since you’ve already gone ahead and grabbed Windows XP Pro 64-bit and have the files sitting on your machine, you might as well just burn it to a disc and make it bootable all in one go.
All you really need is a blank CD, an image file that actually supports booting, and Nero.

Before you even start, just do yourself a favor and organize things; create a folder named "xp" on your C: drive, then put two subfolders inside: one called "xp-64-bit" where you'll dump the Windows files you downloaded, and another called "xp image file" where you'll save the actual boot image.

First things first, let's deal with that image file. Pop in a Windows XP SP2 disc—it has to be a Bootable CD—then open up ISO Buster (install it if you haven't yet), find the "Bootable CD" section on the left, right-click "Microsoft Corporation.img" on the right, and hit Extract. Save that directly into your "xp image file" folder.

Fire up Nero, and once that New Compilation window pops up, select CD-ROM (Boot) on the left side. On the right, under the "boot" section, select Image file, click browse, and grab that Microsoft Corporation.img file you just extracted to your folder.

Check the box for "Enable expert settings..." and then set it like this:
Kind of emulation: No Emulation
Boot message Microsoft Windows XP 64-bit
Load segment of sectors (hex!): 07C0
Number of loaded sectors: 4

Go to the ISO tab.
Set Data mode to mode 1, File system to ISO 9660 + Joliet, File name length to Max. of 11 = 8 + 3 chars, Character set to ISO 9660, and for Relax restrictions, just check every single box available.

Move to the Label Tab.
Set it to Automatic (Name: Microsoft Windows XP 64-bit).
Under the "more Labels" section, fill in Volume Label, System Identifier, Volume set, and Application with WINXP_64-BIT_EN.
For Publisher and Data Preparer, just type in MICROSOFT_CORPORATION.

Head over to the Dates tab.
Under File dates, just make sure "Use the date and time from the original file" is checked.

Now the Misc tab.
Just check everything.

Finally, the Burn Tab.
Make sure both Write and Finalize CD (No further writing possible!) are selected, and set the Write Method to Track-At-Once.

Insert a blank CD and let it rip. Once it's done, leave the disc in the drive, reboot your computer, and try booting from it. It should work without any drama; I've done this about ten times myself and it’s been smooth sailing every time.
Adam Peterson3 Adam Peterson3 Newcomer
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#24 ·
I’d much rather go with Windows Vista
crimsongull3 crimsongull3 Newcomer
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#25 ·
And I’m sticking with XP—I already paid for it, so why not...

It gets the job done.

When the time actually comes for me to pick up a new rig, Vista will be pre-installed on it anyway. No point in rushing out to meet a trend that isn't even fully there yet...
Joseph Chavez7 Joseph Chavez7 Newcomer
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#26 ·
crimsongull3 said:I’m sticking with XP since I already shelled out the cash for it...

It gets the job done.

When the day finally comes for me to pick up a new machine, Windows Vista will be pre-installed on it anyway, so there's really no sense in rushing headlong into the future before we actually have to.

Exactly! 👍
A Anonymous Veteran
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#27 ·
To run Windows Vista, you'll need

about 16GB of storage space, which is how much it actually uses
and it needs roughly 600MB of RAM to function smoothly
Joseph Chavez7 Joseph Chavez7 Newcomer
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#28 ·
Sarah Hughes97 said:you're going to need

about 16GB of space since it eats up that much
plus you'll probably need around 600MB of RAM just to get things running smoothly

.. word on the street is you might actually need 20 GB
A Anonymous Veteran
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#29 ·
I was seeing about 16GB when I gave it a shot
Joseph Chavez7 Joseph Chavez7 Newcomer
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#30 ·
Sarah Hughes97 said:I was seeing about 16GB when I gave it a shot

Exactly, we're talking about a beta version here, and once the full release drops along with all those inevitable updates...
...you’re easily looking at 20GB. 😉
A Anonymous Veteran
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#31 ·
Joseph Chavez7 said:Yeah, that's just the beta version. Once the full release drops along with all the various updates..
...you're easily looking at 20GB right there.. 😉

Honestly, if I start talking about all the updates, we could be looking at 300GB
neonhawk53 neonhawk53 Newcomer
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#32 ·
Sarah Hughes97 said:for Vista you're gonna need

16GB of space—it eats up that much--
plus it needs about 600MB of RAM just to function normally

😕 good luck with that.

even 1600MB isn't enough

you lose 600MB straight to the pagefile, then another 500MB just for a "clean" OS

with 600MB, you can barely run three decent programs on even Windows XP.
ironranger61 ironranger61 Member
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#33 ·
Ugh, I'm running into trouble too. Only this time it's with Windows XP.

I had a disc for Windows XP + SP2. Everything was working perfectly—it would boot up automatically and all that good stuff. That is, until I—being an absolute idiot—lent it to my buddy without making a backup, and he lent it to someone else. Anyway, when I finally got the disc back, the damn thing was covered in scratches.

So, I tried manually copying folder after folder onto my hard drive. Somehow I managed to grab everything except for some random file for Chinese language support. I figured, whatever, I don't need that anyway, so I burned it all onto a new disc. But now, when I pop it in, the boot—and I mean the actual startup boot, not just Autorun in Windows—doesn't work at all.

Did the boot sector or whatever you call it get wiped out during the process?
Joseph Chavez7 Joseph Chavez7 Newcomer
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#34 ·
ironranger61 said:Man, I’m running into a headache too, though this time it involves my Windows XP setup.

I had this Windows XP + SP2 disc that worked perfectly—it would boot up without a hitch, just smooth sailing. That was until I, in a moment of pure stupidity, lent it to a buddy of mine without making a backup, and then he went and handed it off to someone else. Long story short, when the disc finally made its way back to me, it was absolutely trashed and covered in scratches.

So, I tried to play it smart by manually copying every single folder over to my hard drive, and somehow I managed to grab almost everything, except for a few files related to Chinese language support. I figured, honestly, who cares about that? I burned everything back onto a fresh disc, but now, when I try to actually boot from it—and I mean a true boot at startup, not just some Windows autorun nonsense—absolutely nothing happens.

Is it possible that the boot sector, or whatever you call that specific part, somehow got wiped out during the process?

http://www.reddit.com/r/tech #23

Just go through everywhere it mentions 64BIT and swap that out for SP2 in your case, and you should be good to go....
ironranger61 ironranger61 Member
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joined Jun 2006
#35 ·
Thanks.
Brandon Harris88 Brandon Harris88 Newcomer
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#36 ·
Sarah Hughes97 said:for Windows Vista you need

roughly 600MB of RAM just to function properly

That’s what Microsoft claims 🙂 though I'm typing this from Vista beta 2... checking my Task Manager now... Vista is sitting at 750MB of my 1024MB while idling. Better start shopping for those 2GB sticks, folks!! 😁
Karen Garcia5 Karen Garcia5 Member
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#37 ·
rustyheron20 said:2. I’m actually curious—what were you even doing when you were my age?

Don't kid yourself, you aren't exactly cutting edge. 🤣
rustyheron20 rustyheron20 NewcomerOP
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#38 ·
Karen Garcia5 said:Stop kidding yourself, you aren't exactly a tech wizard 🤣

I know I'm not, and honestly, it's pretty embarrassing🙂

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