William: 35 years of fighting diseases, medications, and therapies

Congrats on hitting the top topic. 👍

First off, congrats on the massive thread! 👍
Look, I really didn't mean to offend you by asking if you'd considered electrostimulation therapy. It was a logical question—you mentioned that twenty different antidepressants haven't done the trick, so I suggested something significantly more effective. I wasn't talking about electroconvulsive therapy, "electric shocks," or anything like that... I used the term currently used in modern psychiatry for a globally recognized method. I know what I’m talking about—I've seen how it's done. I also realize that even mentioning it might trigger some grim memories of old-school, outdated medical practices from back in the day.
Here’s the reality of it: they put the patient under general anesthesia (with an anesthesiologist present the whole time), give them muscle relaxants, place a bite block in their mouth, attach the electrodes, run the current, and that's it. Done. The person wakes up and goes home. The only visible sign is a slight facial muscle spasm.
Electroconvulsive therapy helps stimulate certain neurotransmitters while reducing others, which works wonders for depression and such. (I don't know the exact molecular mechanism down to the fine details 😁 — that's just what they taught us in psych class)
Depression is a nasty business, and none of us are immune to a bout of minor depression... but if you're struggling this hard and you've cycled through twenty different meds—each with its own set of side effects—why not look into this?
Besides, I've talked to people who have gone through it, and they’re incredibly happy because they finally broke free from the funk. Electrostimulation is usually the last resort when everything else fails and nothing else is working; it's not the first thing they try. But for some, it can lead to remission lasting as long as ten years. If you don't believe me, check out this link http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/depression/symptoms-causes/syc-20356007

re;Sophia Martinez65 post:
Here’s how it works: they put the patient under general anesthesia (with an anesthesiologist there the whole time), administer muscle relaxants, place a gauze roll in the mouth, attach electrodes, apply the current, and that's it. It's done. The person wakes up and goes back to their room. The only physical sign you might notice is some facial muscle spasms.
Electroconvulsive therapy helps trigger the synthesis of certain neurotransmitters while decreasing others, which provides relief for depression and similar issues. (I don't know the exact molecular mechanism—that's just what they taught us in psych class.)

My situation is pretty complex... I'm seeing my psychiatrist this Tuesday, February 7th. We've been working through all my issues for about 14 years now, because it's about much more than just depression.
We were discussing different treatment options, and I told them, "I'll ask her why I'm not a candidate
for electroconvulsive therapy"... I remember our last conversation from 4 or 5 years ago, though not every single detail.

Best regards!

The biggest mistake I ever made was responding to that PM
on 1/31/06.

you are the absolute worst person I have ever had the misfortune of meeting. truly bottom-of-the-barrel stuff. honestly, I hope you find healing so that physical pain stops distracting you from the fact that you're basically the human equivalent of a drunk punk's vomit.
gross.

I printed it out and taped it to my closet door just so I can look at it.
My wife also suggested I stop writing altogether, since I'm already posting on Senior News
anyway, and it's not like I have to be on this forum.

In a moment of pure stupidity, I wiped out three years of printed documentation—ran everything through the shredder, deleted everything on the computer, and cleared the hard drive... I only kept my private files.

Now I'm trying to reconstruct the system by scavenging data from old floppy disks and backups.

So, I'm still feeling pretty hesitant about "opening up about my issues" again.

I actually took some advice from the moderators at Adex and Secundo to not reveal too much truth about myself... because someone will always find a way to exploit it. We saw that happen in the thread "I have many illnesses... but I'm not a hypochondriac."

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So, Jan 30, 2006—I finally got a letter from the hospital scheduling my visit for Feb 6, 2006.
It's with an orthopedist...whom my primary care doctor referred me to 18 months ago.

The hospital was notified that I can't use my hand to lift anything, and they were sent my X-ray and ultrasound results... so much for our socialized healthcare system.

In the meantime, while dealing with various sicknesses and two spinal surgeries, I haven't been able to shake these issues that have plagued me for 38 years—heel pain, and about 20 years of trouble with my knees, elbows, and shoulders.

I always knew why: too many jobs in awkward positions and just working too hard.

The ultrasound reports are all the same everywhere... plantar fascia, bursitis, tenosynovitis, tears.
Right now, through my GP, I'm getting steroid injections in all those joints under ultrasound guidance, but even that isn't a permanent fix because, as anyone in the medical field knows, "tendons can weaken."

I know I won't achieve much with just an orthopedist, but I really need an MRI
for my shoulder and my cervical spine, since they're both quite degenerated.
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On Saturday evening, Feb 4, 2006,
here is a look at my pain and lack of mobility. Even though I know I can be a "very stubborn person" and push myself way past what I should do.

On Tuesday, Feb 7, 2006, we took the car in for its first service. I went to wash the car and vacuum the interior. Since then, I haven't slept—it’s been 24 hours already. The pain is so intense that my whole body is cramped up; the slightest movement sends a shock through both legs, and my arms ache from the pain. It’s not the first time, either. Every time I overdo it, this happens. I don't take narcotics because I can't stand them; they leave me feeling itchy and irritable, and I wouldn't be able to sleep for another 24 to 36 hours because of it.
At this rate, I'm hoping to crash for a few hours sometime between Sunday and Monday from pure exhaustion before I head to the hospital to see the orthopedist.

I can already hear the doctor during the exam saying, "Man, you are completely tense." And I am; I've always been as stiff as a rock. It’s actually gotten worse, which is why I've been taking Valium and Quinine for 35 years. When they banned Quinine for a while, I switched to magnesium supplements, but I spent two months cramping up all night long. My doctor put me back on Quinine at my own risk, since Quinine can cause uncontrollable bleeding, but I shouldn't exaggerate—it's better than how I felt yesterday.

😎 😉

Jamie Clark74 said:In today’s high-pressure world, more and more people are struggling with stress, depression, anxiety, and all sorts of personal issues.

Every year, there are new medications hitting the market—drugs we're told aren't as risky as the old ones or won't cause us any trouble.

I’ve personally cycled through about 20 different types, and honestly, every single one came with its own set of side effects. Then again, everyone is wired differently—some people need a tiny dose, while others need two or three times that amount just to feel something...

Let’s be real: there isn't a single pill on this planet that comes without side effects. Once you realize that medication is never a permanent fix, you'll see how it often creates a whole new "million little problems" you didn't have before... it's a cycle that's almost impossible to break if that's your only strategy. 😢

The big issue is that when you're caught up in those personal struggles, it becomes really hard to step back, look at the full picture, and find actual solutions—ways to help your body find balance and give your cells a genuine chance to heal and recover.

MaxB said:Just some friendly advice—try pairing your "therapy" with yoga (and definitely get moving with some kind of sport) instead of just venting about antidepressant side effects. 😉

I'm with you there... getting active through sports or other movement can really help shake off that negative energy—plus, loading up on fruits and veggies helps protect the nervous system with B vitamins and just keeps everything in better balance overall... 😉 🙂 👍

Jamie Clark74 Jamie Clark74 said:It really depends on the sickness and how long it sticks around—some people hit an acute phase and bounce back within a year or two, while others, like me, end up dealing with things for a long, long time. In my case, it’s pretty much become a chronic, lifelong thing—so the goal is really just to manage it, get back to being part of society, and learn how to live with everything.

You can clearly see that this "approach" isn't getting the best results—trying to convince someone there isn't actually a problem just ends up making them feel like a fool... and they don't say "if you don't address the root cause, the consequences will wear you down" for nothing. Honestly, I think advice centered on things like diet, staying active, and hanging out with positive people is way more effective in the long run than any medication or those types of psychological "convincing" sessions.

Jamie Clark74 Jamie Clark74 said:Things are a bit complicated on my end—I’m dealing with some significant psychiatric challenges along with a few other serious health issues. The toughest part, though, has to be the chronic pain I've lived with for 35 years—between two failed spinal surgeries, asbestosis, apnea, and so on.
As for the doctor—she’s honestly one of the top experts in the field, both here in the States and globally.
I’ve been spending about an hour and a half with her every six weeks—and honestly, we've been doing that since 1992.
For the first four years, I used to travel back and forth—just constant trips. 497 milesSince it’s only once every two weeks—it’s really not an issue seeing the specialist. She is truly one of those gifted professionals—part GP, part psychiatrist, and part psychologist—who actually takes all the time we need, my husband and me.

If you ask me, your biggest "issue" is just that you don't know how to think for yourself—or maybe you just don't want to. 😕 It’s funny how people still "worship" certain doctors like they're some kind of deities—even when you haven't seen any real results after all these years.

Jamie Clark74 said:So many issues actually start back in childhood—they just follow you through life...
It’s all about how much pressure builds up before you finally snap—it really comes down to the circumstances and how many things hit you at once. In my case, I just carried too much responsibility and dealt with constant anxiety my whole life—I was a total workaholic. I spent my entire career grinding away far too many hours, always obsessing over making sure everything was perfect, whether it was for the company or the clients.

You're right—we really have to start by looking at how we treat ourselves before we can make sense of how others treat us... honestly, most mistakes usually stem from within—from those life choices we keep making along the way. Being truly informed is everything here. 😉 🙂

Jose Miller3 said:Jamie Clark74, let's give it a shot!

You’ve got 35 different experiences dealing with serious sicknesses—it honestly wouldn't hurt to gather all those insights and tips you have into one central spot. I’m going to rename this thread right now and pin it as a TOP topic. That way, everyone can share their struggles and offer support to other forum members who could really benefit from what you've been through. I truly believe this thread will get read and lead to some great conversations!

What do you guys think?

I’m actually quite touched by this suggestion... and by your appointment as moderator, for that matter. 😉 😁

It makes me wonder, though—how can someone still battling an illness, without having found a resolution yet, offer better advice than those who have actually overcome certain conditions? 😕

Of course, we should listen to everyone's story—there's usually something useful to learn from any experience, whether it turned out well or not. But I just don't get why—and why so persistently—opinions are dismissed here simply because someone achieved concrete health results through methods that aren't considered "traditional" medicine or standard doctor's orders.

I'm genuinely curious if my thoughts might spark "something new" in you—maybe a deeper understanding of how much lifestyle and nutrition actually impact health (which is such a huge topic in the news lately)—or if you'll just keep banning anyone who brings a different perspective, interesting facts, or valid arguments to the table. 😉

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I’m not gonna go around deleting posts or banning people—that’s just not my style—but if anyone tries to push a sale here, I’ll be sending you straight over to the classifieds. And as for anyone promoting those unproven, pseudo-science "healing" methods or ways to stay "disease-free"... yeah, you'll be getting moved to the newly created "On the Edge..." subforum. Honestly, that's the whole reason we even opened it up...

And seriously, I don't see what Jamie Clark74's life experiences have to do with whatever it is you're trying to sell?

Jose Miller3 said:I won't delete or ban anyone—instead, I'll just point anyone trying to sell something toward Craigslist. As for those promoting unscientific or unproven healing methods, they'll find themselves moved over to our newly created "fringe" sub-forum, which was actually set up specifically for stuff like that.

And honestly, I don't see how Jamie Clark74's life experiences have anything to do with what you're trying to sell?

Once you accept the reality—and the actual truth—that I’m not out here selling a product, but simply discussing established scientific facts, your "approach" might change a bit... and not just yours, but everyone else who shares your perspective. To really clear this up, I'd suggest we meet in person—so you can see the results for yourself and meet the doctors and nutritionists who have finally caught on to this too.

It's good to see you taking your new role seriously, even on a Sunday—hopefully, that leads to a bit more objectivity moving forward. 😉 👍

In my opinion, your biggest "issue" is simply that you don't think for yourself (or maybe you just choose not to), and you treat various doctors like they're some kind of deities... even though you haven't seen any real results in years..

VENI, VIDI, VICI....What else is new?....FCUKIN Conor McGregor, please come back and save me, oh Jesus, help me... first we have the nonsense, what comes next?

Oh, lord i promise i will be eating All healty food as usualy and All vitamins and i will see only Fuckers The alternativa nutritionists with All goods They sale amen
AMEN...forgive me Lord for believing in modern medicine for so long... WHAT THE HECK DOCTORS KNOW....let's just go back to the dark ages!

🙂 😉 😎

Jose Miller3 said:I’m not going to delete or ban anyone, but if you try to sell something here, I'll push you over to Craigslist. As for anyone promoting unscientific, unproven "healing" methods or ways to stay "disease-free," you'll be sent straight to the newly formed "On the Edge..." sub-forum. That's exactly why it was created in the first place.

And honestly, what does Jamie Clark74’s life story and personal experience have to do with whatever it is you're trying to hawk?

That's not why it was opened. From what I hear, the moderator over there is pretty quick on the trigger.🤣

Jamie Clark74 said:

Veni, vidi, vici.... What else is news?.... FCUKIN Conor McGregor—welcome back to save the day. Oh, Jesus, help me... first we get the hype, what’s next?

lord i promise i will be eating All healty food as usualy and All vitamins and i will see only Fuckers The alternativa nutritionists with All goods They sale amen
AMEN... forgive me, Lord, for putting my faith in modern medicine for so long... WHAT DO THESE DOCTORS EVEN KNOW? Let's just head straight back to the Dark Ages!

🙂 😉 😎

Bravo Jamie Clark74! Honestly, you hit the nail on the head. 👍
It drives me crazy too—all those merchants, snake oil salesmen, and "healthy lifestyle" crusaders peddling fake hope, trying to convince people that drinking aloe vera is going to cure cancer or Type 1 diabetes. 😈

And Jose Miller3, thanks for everything you've done as a moderator. 👍

Let’s get back to something real—something regarding my own health.
I update my medical list every year at the start of January, and whenever I visit new specialists. My primary care physician usually writes my referrals and makes sure all my health history, medications, and lab reports are printed out for me. Since I have an appointment with an orthopedist this morning, this is the list I’m bringing along.
Jesus, I haven't slept since around 1:00 PM on Saturday. That’s 36 hours straight. I’m exhausted, but the pain just won't let me drift off. I don't think I'll manage any sleep tonight either. It wouldn't be the first time, and it certainly won't be the last.
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4/02/2006

William Kov QEH UR No:603835
Born November 11, 1941.
Current medications:
Conditions : Medications : major Depressive Disorder Lexapro 20 mg x 1 per day Anxiety / Panic Disorder Rivotril ½ mg x 5 per day Hypertension Norvasc 10 mg x 1 per day Monopril 20 mg x 2 per day Irritable Bowel Symptoms Colofac

Conditions : Medications : major Depressive Disorder Lexapro 20 mg x 1 per day
Conditions : Medications : Anxiety / Panic Disorder Rivotril ½ mg x 5 per day
Hypertension: Norvasc 10 mg x 1 per day
Monopril 20 mg x 2 per day

Irritable Bowel Symptoms : Colofac 135 mg x 4-6 per day
Somac 40 mg, once a day.
Mylanta liquid.
For diarrhea: Imodium 5mg, take as needed.
Stemetil 5mg
Dealing with chronic urinary tract infections. Currently taking Xiprex 1 g x 2.
Just waiting on my cystoscopy results from QEH.
Dealing with chronic back pain is exhausting. It’s one of those things that just wears you down over time.
"Narcotics as a necessity."

I've stopped taking Endone 5mg twice a day. Moving on to Gabapentin 2.
2) Oral morphine order: Discontinue Amitriptyline on 5/
3) Methadone – Discontinued 5/Tramadol
Continue at present:
Taking Panadeine Forte twice a day, three times daily.
I'm taking about 3,000 to 4,000 mg of Tylenol daily.

Laminectomy at L5-S1... (1972)
Laminectomy and stenosis at L5-L4 and L4-L3... dating back to 2004.
Just a quick heads-up: both of my back surgeries ended up being failures, leaving me dealing with nerve root issues at L4 and S1.
Gout / Osteoarthritis | Progaut 100mg x 1 per day
Arachnoiditis
Valium 5mg, once daily.
Quinine 300 mg, once daily.
Voltaren Emugel
Celebrex Cap. 200mg x 1 per day
Voltaren suppositories, 100mg.
Swelling in my legs. Taking Hygroton 25mg, half a tablet daily.
Veins/as needed: Paroven Forte 250mg, 2 times a day.

Pre-diabetic. Taking Metformin 500 mg, one tablet twice a day.

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================== Also : Sleep Apnea ================== I'm using a CPAP machine every single night.

Calcified pleural plaques from asbestosis. I’m heading in for my regular checkup twice a year.
Pulmonologist appointment, CT scan, and testing.

Low testosterone levels: Sustanon 250, 1ml injections every 2 weeks.

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Outpatient Orthopedics Note for QEH; QEH Medical Record #: 603835

Here are my current complaints. Please take a look at the attached X-rays, scans, ultrasounds, and the full list of steroid injections I've received over the last 18 months.

Right wrist issues.
Both my left and right elbows are acting up.
Both shoulders.
Regarding my knees—it's the same situation as I mentioned before.
Bilateral plantar fasciitis. I’ve been dealing with the right foot for 37 years, and the left one for about 20.
I've been spending a lot of time lately working on ladders and kneeling. It's starting to take its toll.

I'm experiencing pins and needles in both my arms and fingers. Please take a look at the attached reports.
Cervical degeneration C5/6, C6/7

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Conor McGregor, hope you have a good one! But how exactly would you treat this? It’s just years of wear and tear, plus asbestosis... not to mention two failed surgeries and pinched nerves. And you think a healthy diet is going to fix all that? I can barely walk, let alone run.

🙂 😉 😎

Deleted some posts that were totally off-topic...

Angela Rodriguez2, that's strike one for you

Jose Miller3 said:deleted some posts that were off-topic...

Angela Rodriguez2, strike one

My last post was—well, it *was*—actually VERY relevant to the topic... but whatever, I can't say I blame you at all... 😍

Angela Rodriguez2 said:My last post was actually VERY relevant to this topic... but whatever, I don't blame you at all... 😍

I wonder how someone struggling with illnesses—and hasn't actually cured them—can give better advice than those who have successfully overcome their conditions? It makes sense to listen to everyone's experience, and there’s value to be found in any story, whether positive or negative. But I just don't understand why people on this forum so stubbornly dismiss the opinions and experiences of those with CONCRETE HEALTH OUTCOMES simply because they didn't reach them through "classic" means—like standard medication or doctor's orders. ???

I can't help but respond to this first, even if it feels a bit silly of me to focus on someone who isn't directly involved in HEALTH and ILLNESS!

How could I possibly give advice about an illness when I haven't been cured?
It's simple: there are many people like me who aren't getting help and just have to live with these issues day in and day out, month after month... year after year... for the rest of our lives.
People in my position know exactly what the problems are, what we've endured, and "how much the sickness impacts both the individual and their family."

People like me have tried every ALTERNATIVE remedy and so-called ALTERNATIVE EXPERTS... we've spent tens of thousands of dollars... only to end up saying it provided zero relief. "But they tried to tell me that natural is always healthier and safer than 'modern medicine'."

I'm sure there are people who have minor issues, get a little manipulation from a Chiropractor, and think they're cured after one or two visits. Or people go to a nutritionist, take some herbal supplements, and feel healed. Meanwhile, here I am, doing everything possible and still not cured. The conclusion?

The easiest thing would be to say I'm a fraud, or that I'm making my illness up—just like one person accused me of—or to call me a hypochondriac or a nuisance.

That's the TRUTH!

When a person gets injured at work, playing sports, or even at home, the pain doesn't necessarily have to be complicated. Our bodies usually heal themselves; they just need time and rest, maybe a painkiller or, at worst, an anti-inflammatory.
In four to six weeks, most people are fine, whether they saw a doctor or not, without needing any manipulation or natural medicine.
Speaking from experience, back when I was younger, I went through dozens of injuries like that without ever seeing a doctor or missing work, while others were out on sick leave for days or even weeks.

Pain itself or a minor injury is acute/momentary. Even if it doesn't resolve on its own and requires medical help or physical therapy, out of 100 injured people, maybe 5 to 10 will need extra time because their injury won't heal without specialized help or physical therapy.

About 2 to 5 percent of people will end up with a serious injury that requires a specialist—maybe an orthopedist or a neurosurgeon—and then, with rest, anti-inflammatories, and physical therapy, most will recover.

If things persist for three months, it turns into a chronic problem.
Data shows that specialists only perform surgery on about 5% of all patients, and even then, only if it's the absolute last resort.

According to the actual statistics, successful surgeries by specialists only account for about 65-75%.
Specialists do yield better results, but my figures come from BETTER DATA, specifically from a pain clinic filled with patients who had failed surgeries.

My medical reports for all my ailments, as well as my X-rays and reports from two spinal surgeries, serve as proof. You can find the original scans in the thread: Jamie Clark74 I have many illnesses... but I am not a nuisance.


I don't see myself as some big authority on incurable sicknesses... the kind I've been dealing with for 36 years where you just have to accept what can and can't be fixed...rather, I'm just someone sharing "CONCRETE HEALTH RESULTS" from people who simply didn't find answers through the "standard" route—you know, strictly via prescriptions and conventional medical advice. As Mac Fcuker or Conor McGregor might say...

🙂 😉 😎

Jamie Clark74 said:Let’s get back to some real talk regarding my health issues.
Every single year, right at the start of the year, I update this whole list... it's the same thing whenever I head out to see new specialists. My primary care doctor usually writes me a referral and mentions that all my medical history, medications, and lab reports are printed out and ready to go. Since I'm heading over to see an orthopedist this morning, this is the sheet I'm carrying with me.
Jesus, I haven't slept since Saturday. I was awake around 1:00 PM... that makes it 36 hours now... I'm absolutely exhausted, but the pain just won't let me drift off. I don't think I'll manage any sleep tonight either... honestly, it wouldn't be the first time, and it certainly won't be the last;
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4/02/2006

William Kov QEH UR No:603835
D.O.B. 11/11/1941
Medication at present:
Conditions: Medications:

Major Depressive Disorder Lexapro 20 mg X 1 per day
Anxiety / Panic Disorder Rivotril ½ mg X 5 per day
Hypertension Norvasc 10 mg X 1 per day
Monopril 20 mg X 2 per day

Irritable Bowel Symptoms Colofac 135 mg X 4-6 per day
Somac 40 mg X 1 per day
Mylanta liquid
Diarrhoea “ as necessary “ Imodium 5mg
Stemetil 5mg
Cronic urinary track infection Xiprex 1g x 2 per day
waiting for cistoscopy QEH
Chronic back pain
“NARCOTICS AS NECESSARY”

1)Endone 5mg 2x1 per day Stop 4/Gabapentin
2)Ordine/oral/morphine Stop 5/Amitriptaline
3)Methadone Stop 5/Tramadol
Continue at present:
Panadeine Forte 2x3 per day
Paracetamol 500mg X 6-8 per day

Laminectomy L5-S1….(1972)
Laminectomy/stenosis L5-L4,L4-L3…..(2004)
note: both operations are(failed back surgeries,with L4 &S1 nerve root impacting)
Gout / Osteoarthritis Progaut 100mg x 1 per day
Arachnoiditis
Valium 5mg X 1 per day
Quinine 300 mg X 1 per day
Voltaren Emugel
Celebrex Cap. 200mg x 1 per day
Voltarene suppositories 100mg
Fluid in legs Hygroton 25mg 1/2 per day
Veins/when necessary Paroven Forte 250mg, 2 x 2 er day

Diabetic( on border) Diaformin 500 mg 1 tab. 2x per day

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Also: Sleep Apnea ( on machine) …………Always during sleeping

“asbestosis” Pleural plaque calcified. Regular twice per year visit to
Specialist/pulmonary&CT-Scan & test.

Luck of testosterone: Sustanon 250,1ml injections /every 2 weeks .

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Note for QEH outpatient Orthopedics; QEH UR No:603835

Complaints/ please see> X-Ray clinic-scans & ultrasound & list of steroid injections last 18 months.

a/Right wrist
b/Both elbows
c/Both shoulders
d/Knees/ same as above/
e/Bilateral plantar fascia (Right side for 37 years)...(Left side for about 20 years)
spent a ton of time working on ladders and kneeling

Pins and needles in both arms and fingers—check the reports
Cervical degeneration at C5/6 and C6/7

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Conor McGregor, hope you have a great day! But man, how would you even treat this... with what? We're talking decades of hard labor, just pure wear and tear, plus asbestosis... and two failed surgeries involving pinched nerves. And you're telling me the solution is just a HEALTHY DIET!? I can barely walk, let alone run around.

🙂 😉 😎

Jamie Clark74, I have one serious question for you.
Is all of this medication actually being prescribed by a single doctor?
If not, does your primary care physician even know about everything else you're taking?

I'm asking because I'm looking at this list of daily meds—Rivotril, Norvasc, Monopril, Valium, and Celebrex—it's all depression and anxiety stuff, and honestly, people don't usually take these in such high doses. Plus, from what I can tell, all these medications you listed could be the actual cause of your Sleep Apnea.😱

If your doctors haven't pointed that out to you, then I really don't know what to think about our healthcare system, because to me, this looks like UNCONTROLLED medical treatment, and it seems pretty sketchy. 😕