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Higher protein intake for better bone density in older women?

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casualnomad42 casualnomad42 MemberOP
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#1 ·
The whole debate over how protein intake affects bone density isn't exactly settled yet—there’s a massive amount of data out there suggesting that both lower and higher protein consumption might actually have a positive impact on bone density.

This latest study seems to lean toward the side of things that characterize the link between high protein intake and bone density as a positive one.

A group of researchers in Australia gathered data via questionnaires regarding protein intake from 1,077 women, aged roughly 75 ± 3 years. They assessed bone health using heel ultrasound and by measuring bone mineral density in the hip area.

According to their findings, the connection between increased protein intake and bone density remains positive, even when you account for other factors that mess with bone metabolism.

Source: The New England Journal of Medicine (vol 81, no 6, pp1423-1428).

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Unlike our resident "Roman Emperors" enthusiast, I’m going to weigh in on this article. 🙂

When it comes to protein, the information I've come across points to some interesting nuances that help explain this study. Basically, the human body is incredibly "intelligent"—if that's even the right word—so when muscle mass drops, the body automatically scales back its need to absorb calcium and other micronutrients into the bones (which it does). This often leads to lower bone density, more porous bones, and eventually osteoporosis. The logical way to look at it is that a lack of dietary protein causes muscles to atrophy (sarcopenia), and since there's less muscle mass to support, the bones don't "need" to be as dense to handle the load—so the demand for absorption drops accordingly. 😢 😕

So, we're back to that old argument: the human body is this perfect mechanism where any deficiency in nutrients—whether micro or macro—is going to hit our health hard in one way or another. It really just comes down to us whether those deficiencies are minor or catastrophic... honestly, people say it's much more important for our health to focus on what we *don't* eat rather than what we do. 😉
Jamie Clark74 Jamie Clark74 Regular
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#2 ·
Round two, I guess!!

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Jamie Clark74 Jamie Clark74 Regular
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#3 ·
Jamie Clark74,

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casualnomad42 casualnomad42 MemberOP
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#4 ·
All this public bickering is honestly just pointless—if you don't actually have anything intelligent to contribute to the discussion, why even show up? I mean, what are you even doing here? Is life really that dull, or do you just lack decent people to talk to in your own threads, so you come over here to take it out on everyone else?

If you’re just looking for a cheap laugh or think you're some kind of comedian, there's a dedicated humor sub for that—go ahead and dump your little jokes there instead.. 😁

Look, laughter is supposedly good for your health, but your attempts at it aren't exactly having that effect—it's more like they're having the exact opposite.. 🙂

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Jamie Clark74 Jamie Clark74 Regular
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#5 ·
So, we know where things stand... I'm currently tied up with another project on a pretty important topic. Once I wrap that up, I'll share my thoughts, as I just don't have the bandwidth right now.

New username?😁 🙄
northernskipper41 northernskipper41 Member
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#6 ·
If you go overboard on protein, you're basically creating endogenous oxalates. These bind to calcium, making it useless to your body, so it just gets flushed out through your urine. This is how you end up dealing with kidney stones (calcium oxalate)

Then you've got foods like spinach that are loaded with exogenous oxalates. That's why you should always pair something like spinach with milk or yogurt. You want that calcium to bind to the oxalates right in your gut so nothing gets absorbed into your bloodstream
casualnomad42 casualnomad42 MemberOP
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#7 ·
northernskipper41 said:getting way too much protein from food...

Honestly, the real issue these days is actually not getting enough protein in our diets—protein is being treated like the holy grail of nutrition lately, and there's just this endless wave of research coming out about how it impacts everything from muscle retention to basic bodily functions.
northernskipper41 northernskipper41 Member
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#8 ·
I honestly think the biggest issue is just how trash most people's diets are lately.
It’s all about slamming way too many calories while completely ignoring the essential nutrients you actually need.
casualnomad42 casualnomad42 MemberOP
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#9 ·
I’m with you on this—food quality has absolutely plummeted lately. It feels like everything is just loaded with carbs (too much Sugar) and there's barely any actual substance left in anything we eat... 😢
northernskipper41 northernskipper41 Member
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#10 ·
Carbs should probably make up the largest part of your diet, but the real debate is where they come from and what form they take in
It's the exact same story with proteins. You grab a non-lean pork chop thinking you're getting a protein hit, but you're actually packing in 20% protein along with a solid 30% of built-in saturated fats.
casualnomad42 casualnomad42 MemberOP
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#11 ·
Exactly—that’s precisely why I put Sugar in parentheses—because not all carbohydrates are created equal, you know? They really should be categorized into "good" and "bad" groups... if we're being honest about how they actually affect us. 🙂
It seems like almost everyone is finally coming to an agreement on the ideal macro split—we’re looking at roughly 40% carbs, 30% protein, and 30% fats (though you really want to prioritize those unsaturated ones, if possible).

Plant-based proteins—specifically soy—are hands down the best option out there. I mean, they have zero fat and absolutely no cholesterol. It’s just common sense, really. 😉
northernskipper41 northernskipper41 Member
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#12 ·
casualnomad42 said:Plant proteins like soy are the way to go since they have zero fat or cholesterol. 😉

The only catch is you're missing out on cyanocobalamin (vit. B-12)
casualnomad42 casualnomad42 MemberOP
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#13 ·
"B vitamins—specifically B1 (thiamine), B2 (riboflavin), B3 (niacin), B5 (pantothenic acid), and B6 (pyridoxine)—are absolutely critical for athletes since they play such a massive role in energy metabolism. Then you’ve got B12 (cyanocobalamin), which is a powerhouse when it comes to blood formation, maintaining epithelial cells, and keeping those nerve myelin sheaths intact. The demand for these vitamins spikes when you're cranking up the carbohydrate intake to fuel glucose conversion. If you're looking for natural sources, you're looking at beef, pork, organ meats like liver and kidneys, chicken, turkey breast, wheat germ, barley, bran, milk and dairy, yeast, almonds, cauliflower, Brussels sprouts, eggs, peanuts, tuna, dates, figs, and prunes."

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Look, I am talking about soy PROTEIN specifically, not the whole plant here. I mean, sure, I agree that B12 is essential for the body—no argument there—but like you mentioned earlier, you need all the micronutrients to actually function. A diet has to be balanced, period. The real issue—and I guess this is where it gets frustrating—is how much "luck" we actually have in terms of what we actually manage to absorb from standard groceries, even when we're being incredibly picky about our food choices. 😉

A perfectly balanced meal containing every single vitamin, mineral, fiber, protein, unsaturated fat, and (healthy) carb is basically just a theoretical concept dreamed up by nutritionists today—regardless of what anyone thinks about that field (though I suppose the athletes themselves probably know better than most). 😉 🙂
Frank Alvarez8 Frank Alvarez8 Member
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#14 ·
casualnomad42 said:"B vitamins—specifically B1 (thiamine), B2 (riboflavin), B3 (niacin), B5 (pantothenic acid), and B6 (pyridoxine)—are critical for athletes since they play such a huge role in energy production. Meanwhile, B12 (cyanocobalamin) is vital for blood formation, maintaining epithelial cells, and supporting the myelin sheath of nerves. When you increase carbohydrate intake, your body's demand for these vitamins goes up to help convert those carbs into glucose. You can find these naturally in beef, pork, organ meats like liver and kidneys, chicken, turkey, wheat germ, barley, bran, milk and dairy, yeast, almonds, cauliflower, Brussels sprouts, eggs, peanuts, tuna, dates, figs, and prunes."

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I’m talking specifically about soy protein isolate, not the whole plant. I agree that B12 is essential, but like you mentioned earlier, it’s all about the full spectrum of micronutrients. A diet needs to be balanced, but the real question is how much "luck" we have in actually absorbing what we need from standard food, even when we try to pick the best stuff. 😉

A perfectly balanced meal containing every necessary vitamin, mineral, fiber, protein, unsaturated fat, and healthy carb mostly exists only in nutrition textbooks—regardless of what people think (though athletes usually have the best handle on this). 😉 🙂


Here we go again! Why does this feel like a total rerun of the McGregor vs. Poirier fight?🙄
Jamie Clark74 Jamie Clark74 Regular
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#15 ·
Frank Alvarez8 said:Here we go again. Why does this feel like a total rerun of McGregor vs. Huma?🙄


I saw it coming from a mile away. This whole thing reeks of a scam from the jump...
The guy just can't help himself.

😂 😂
casualnomad42 casualnomad42 MemberOP
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#16 ·
Look, man, you’ve clearly got some issues to work through—maybe just go find some entertainment in those weird one-man monologue shows or something? It’s pretty obvious nobody here is taking you seriously... honestly, you should probably bring a friend along for support next time. 😁

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