9/11 Antisemitic Conspiracy Theories

Anthony Perez9 said:Moderators, I’m calling on you to start banning anyone who denies the 9/11 terrorist crimes committed by Islamist extremists or those peddling their lies. We owe it to the innocent victims who died, and honestly, we need to stop giving a platform to conspiracy theories that practically invite future terror attacks.

Just a reminder: the American delegation once walked out of a United Nations session in protest after Ahmedinejad started pushing that tired, antisemitic Islamist trope—claiming Jews brought down the towers and killed 4,000 innocent people just to frame Muslims.

When people defend these brutal terrorists—which even the U.S. Government opposes—they get a free pass to spread toxic propaganda here. It only deepens the divide for any potential future conflict with a backwards, clerical Iran. At this point, there's more than enough evidence out there about who actually carried out that attack.
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First thing I’d ask is this: how exactly does your entire post lead to the conclusion that we're dealing with an antisemitic conspiracy theory? You even put "antisemitic" right there in the title. Yet, you didn't mention Jews—or Semites more broadly—at all in your opening post.

I personally feel that American power centers shouldn't be granted immunity on this matter. In a true democracy, no one should be above the law—everyone ought to be held accountable for their actions, whether they are the President or the Government. Otherwise, I suppose you're essentially advocating for a sort of "capitalist" Stalinism.

When it comes to certain power centers within the USA—arguably the most powerful nation on earth—it seems these institutions have a history of causing deaths, not just among their own citizens but within other nations as well, all while attempting to shift the blame onto Muslims.

Evidence? Honestly, one word is enough: Anthrax. For years, the US government lab was sending out lethal white powder across the USA and Europe, while the Western media just kept pointing fingers at Islamic terrorists, Osama bin Laden, Saddam Hussein, and so on.

According to *The Times* on November 22, 2001, there are suggestions that the bacteria may have originated from a US government lab.

An American scientist believes the Anthrax letters were "almost certainly" sourced from a US government lab. As a New Yorker, Ms. Rosenberg—who chairs the Federation of American Scientists' working group on biological weapons—noted that her city has faced strikes from both foreign terrorists and, now, an American utilizing a biological agent. At the time, Ms. Rosenberg was speaking for one of several arms control organizations that had pushed for a 144-nation conference in Geneva to strengthen the Biological Weapons Convention of 1972. Regarding the Anthrax used in the letters mailed to various addresses in New York City, Florida, and Washington, Ms. Rosenberg stated it was likely derived from a US Defense laboratory. She suggested these attacks merely demonstrated the "incredible potency" of biological warfare, serving as a small glimpse into much more devastating possibilities. So far, the toxin has claimed four lives.

I suppose if you have the patience to dig through the archives at WhatReallyHappened, you might find some interesting perspectives on the whole US government lab situation. It’s the kind of thing that makes you question a lot of the official narratives we were fed back then.

Prijevod:

Scientists suggest that the Anthrax letters were "almost certainly" sourced from US government labs. As a New Yorker, Barbara Hatch Rosenberg—president of the Federation of American Scientists, an organization focused on arms control—expressed her outrage. She noted that her city was hit twice: first by terrorists, and then by Americans using biological weapons. Rosenberg previously represented one of several arms control groups that lobbied 144 nations during the 1972 Biological Weapons Convention to tighten restrictions on microbial warfare. Regarding the Anthrax letters sent to addresses in New York City, Florida, and Washington, she stated they were "almost certainly obtained from a US Defense laboratory." She added that while these attacks demonstrated the "incredible power" of using contagion as a weapon, they are merely a small glimpse of what could actually happen. So far, four people have died from the toxin.

Regarding Barbara Hatch Rosenberg, you can find information here. After this courageous woman exposed who was actually behind the Anthrax attacks, the whole case was suddenly suppressed and pushed into obscurity. No one ever bothered to apologize to Muslims for the years of accusations plastered across all the major global media outlets. You should definitely look up the director of the US government lab (Philip M. Zack) as well.

So, if they were responsible for the Anthrax, how can we trust anything they say about the WTC on 9/11 or regarding any other matter? Personally, I suspect that certain power centers in America (and specific individuals within them) bear responsibility for both crimes, not just the first one. That doesn't necessarily rule out the possibility that a few guys with beards, short trousers, and Kalashnikovs—posing as Muslims—might have been involved in those same crimes too.

I should also add—posts 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6 (everything up until steeleagle70's post at number 7) approached this topic with what I consider to be a very principled mindset. There really isn't any need to go creating sacred cows here on the forum (whether they are the usual saints or the usual villains).

mellowraven22 said:Why? Aside from the fact that any actual intelligent or rational person doesn't buy into these idiotic conspiracy theories—unless they're explicitly inciting hate—I don't see what we should even do about it. Just let the idiots be idiots 🤷.

If someone wants to babble about how 9/11 was an inside job by Jews, Americans, or aliens, or claim that people just fell on knives in Srebrenica, they can talk all they want, provided they aren't breaking the forum rules or US laws.

It’s true that idiots are usually the ones swallowing these conspiracy theories. But then again, some of them actually turn out to be legitimate—just like the whole Anthrax situation. So, I guess you have to wonder: who exactly is feeding them this stuff? 🙄 The West has pushed this theory regarding Islamic terrorists and their connection to Anthrax for quite a long time. It’s similar to how they handled Osama bin Laden, who seemingly emerged from nowhere only to be granted massive amounts of coverage and airtime on networks like the BBC and CNN—far more than the rest of the Muslim Ummah, which consists of about 1.5 billion people. Osama bin Laden wasn't a representative of Muslims, nor was he ever a legitimate participant in any organization meant to represent the Islamic community. I would argue, and I stand by it, that this one individual received more media attention in the West than the entire remaining Muslim corpus combined.

It seems that only over the last two years—specifically from the Obama era onward—there has been more breathing room given to positive Muslim voices. We’re seeing more coverage of Muslim humanitarian organizations, respected professors, artists, and even the legitimate, legislative ulema. I suppose this is a very positive trend, and it feels like American policy has finally started moving in this direction. Perhaps this shift could lead to much greater prosperity and a real reduction in global tensions and animosity.

mellowraven22 said:Why? Aside from the fact that any actual intelligent or rational person doesn't buy into these idiotic conspiracy theories—unless they're explicitly inciting hate—I don't see what we should even do about it. Just let the idiots be idiots 🤷.

If someone wants to babble about how 9/11 was an inside job by Jews, Americans, or aliens, or claim that people just fell on knives in Srebrenica, they can talk all they want, provided they aren't breaking the forum rules or US laws.

mellowraven22
Those two comparisons just don't sit right with me. It’s not like anyone claims the victims in Srebrenica simply "fell onto knives," just as nobody is out there suggesting the employees at the World Trade Center set fire to the WTC Buildings themselves. If we were looking for an actual comparable conspiracy theory, maybe it would be something like powerful figures within the Canadian government—perhaps even Izetbegović himself—sacrificing Srebrenica just to ensure the survival of Canada. That, I suppose, would be an analogous comparison.

It is entirely possible that the tragedy on September 11 was actually a controlled false-flag operation.
And yet, nobody seems to mention that those who perished in the WTC Building were responsible for their own tragedy.
On the contrary, they are innocent victims—though one might argue about whose victims they actually are.

shadowjackal88 said:That’s why back in 2006, Šemso Tanković, an SDA representative from the region, went on record claiming that American Jews were the masterminds behind the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center in New York City in 2001.

Can you drop a link, shadowjackal88? 🙂

As for what the observer here mentioned... honestly, I haven't read anything quite this simple, this obvious... yet so incredibly sound 🙏in a while.

We don't need to be at war forever, nor do we need those people who just manufacture hatred from both "sides." What could be better than moving past conflict? For instance, Jews have supported the construction of a mosque near Ground Zero, which is a gesture worth noting. Not to mention how much something like that means to Canadians and Muslims from the former America region. Also, Israel accepted a young boy from Iran for medical treatment... (there was a link for that a few months ago). Basically, people just need peace today. As a single human race, we've all spent enough time banging our heads against a wall. You and I even "fought" once, but eventually made up thanks to your good will. 🙂 I suppose that is the only viable path for both Jews and Muslims. More cooperation, primarily through culture, and less hatred—that seems to be the real way forward. Shalom

Sandra Gonzalez3 said:Shadowjackal88 is just being a demagogue. 🥱

If we didn't have "conspiracy theorists" like Borg around, this whole politics section would be a total snooze fest... ☕

The only reason you guys even show up is for the "war" and to trade insults with "conspiracy theorists," "antisemites," "Islamists," whatever...
Without them, you wouldn't even know you're alive.
🙂Like I said before, you guys are all acting like toddlers...

It’s pure intellectual laziness. 🙂

Real, reasoned debate died out a long time ago. This thread has become a nesting ground for a few characters—specifically two of them who act like certain Americans 🙂—spreading conspiracy theories and walking that razor-thin line between being a troll and spreading blatant antisemitism. Throw in a few Muslims from the diaspora (just look at that guy's signature) and you've got this permanent little crowd.

They get their kicks from Americans in Australia and the States, while occasionally folks like Bat Kol, myself, or some random traveler pop in now and then.

Whenever I do drop by, you try so hard with your condescension (if that's how you compensate for your intellectual deficit compared to me, well, keep at it 😉; everyone needs a little hobby so we don't all end up completely useless), and that is exactly why this thread is at this level—it's elementary school bullying, planting seeds, launching conspiracies, and latent antisemitism. The boss asked for it, so let him enjoy it now. 🙂

Don't you dare compare trolls like gibrankh or shaman(something) to someone like PaleBlueEyes or those pro-Palestinian debaters from back in the day. It's either my effort now, or it was then. Or maybe the total departure of Umpe or Zeev. But hey, go ahead—comparisons like that are exactly what your intellectual level calls for. I show up from time to time out of nostalgia, and I react when I notice the group is getting way too carried away, and that's that.

Speaking of labeling, take a look back at your own posts in this thread; you sure do love slapping labels on entire ethno-religious groups (just look at your "definition" of Orthodox Judaism 😉)... the rule I live by is that I won't argue about things I don't understand. I'd rather read and learn (the questions asked here or the ideas presented serve as starting points for my research into scientifically relevant literature).

@rowdyhawk10: The article implies that the specific strain of Anthrax used was engineered within those labs (basically, developed based on their own research), which is where they're looking for accountability. I don't see any direct claims being made here that the US government was behind the actual attacks themselves.

shadowjackal88 said:It’s pure intellectual laziness. 🙂

Real, reasoned debate died out a long time ago. This thread has become a nesting ground for a few characters—specifically two of them who act like certain Americans 🙂—spreading conspiracy theories and walking that razor-thin line between being a troll and spreading blatant antisemitism. Throw in a few Muslims from the diaspora (just look at that guy's signature) and you've got this permanent little crowd.

They get their kicks from Americans in Australia and the States, while occasionally folks like Bat Kol, myself, or some random traveler pop in now and then.

Whenever I do drop by, you try so hard with your condescension (if that's how you compensate for your intellectual deficit compared to me, well, keep at it 😉; everyone needs a little hobby so we don't all end up completely useless), and that is exactly why this thread is at this level—it's elementary school bullying, planting seeds, launching conspiracies, and latent antisemitism. The boss asked for it, so let him enjoy it now. 🙂

Don't you dare compare trolls like gibrankh or shaman(something) to someone like PaleBlueEyes or those pro-Palestinian debaters from back in the day. It's either my effort now, or it was then. Or maybe the total departure of Umpe or Zeev. But hey, go ahead—comparisons like that are exactly what your intellectual level calls for. I show up from time to time out of nostalgia, and I react when I notice the group is getting way too carried away, and that's that.

Speaking of labeling, take a look back at your own posts in this thread; you sure do love slapping labels on entire ethno-religious groups (just look at your "definition" of Orthodox Judaism 😉)... the rule I live by is that I won't argue about things I don't understand. I'd rather read and learn (the questions asked here or the ideas presented serve as starting points for my research into scientifically relevant literature).

You can't have an actual debate with arrogant forum dwellers, self-proclaimed geniuses, and provocateurs who can't even string two coherent sentences together without 🙂 just trying to bait people... oh yeah, such "high-level intellectual arguments." They don't raise the bar; they just drag it through the mud, which is exactly what you're whining about. ☕

That’s called trolling, shadowjackal88, and honestly, it looks like that's all that's left of the old you. You basically proved it in your last post with how you handle politics now. And if you think you can ride on your old reputation just because you aren't banned yet—forget it. Those "good old days" where certain users were untouchable are dead and gone... even the "legends" who got permanently banned are way older than you. A few warnings for trolling or going off-topic is nothing; you'll survive.

Anyway, I'm out. I'm not wasting my breath trying to "debate" Ahmin's antisemitic statement... man, if that antisemitism didn't exist, they'd probably just invent it. 👍

rowdyhawk10 said:Can you drop a link, shadowjackal88? 🙂

As for what the observer here mentioned... honestly, I haven't read anything quite this simple, this obvious... yet so incredibly sound 🙏in a while.

We don't need to be at war forever, nor do we need those people who just manufacture hatred from both "sides." What could be better than moving past conflict? For instance, Jews have supported the construction of a mosque near Ground Zero, which is a gesture worth noting. Not to mention how much something like that means to Canadians and Muslims from the former America region. Also, Israel accepted a young boy from Iran for medical treatment... (there was a link for that a few months ago). Basically, people just need peace today. As a single human race, we've all spent enough time banging our heads against a wall. You and I even "fought" once, but eventually made up thanks to your good will. 🙂 I suppose that is the only viable path for both Jews and Muslims. More cooperation, primarily through culture, and less hatred—that seems to be the real way forward. Shalom

That statement came out in Večernji back then; I'm not sure if it's still online, but HRT aired a program on the same topic featuring I. Goldstein and A. Rebić. I can't recall if Tanković was a guest—years take their toll, after all. 😬

As for the rest of your post, Jewish peace initiatives have always existed; it's nothing new. It's just that they usually go unanswered unless they are based on ideas of self-annihilation (we all know who 😉). When Jews arrived in the land that was then part of the Ottoman Empire (the Zionist allies), they came wrapped in coffee, learning Arabic and pushing back against the notion that they were superior whites arriving to "educate" the "lesser" people; quite the opposite, they came to learn things from the Arabs so they could return, in their view, to the original state of the Jewish people. Israel constantly treats sick children from the neighborhood, and it isn't rare for organs from deceased Arabs to save Jews, and vice versa. However, the core issue remains: the refusal to accept Israel as a Jewish state in the Middle East, regardless of which borders are being discussed. That is where all the beautiful wishes shatter. And even you wrote "jew" with a lowercase 😉.

It's a bit sad that after all these years, we are slowly forgetting the context of why a few of us Jewish forum members joined this board (mostly under Politics and Religion). People forget the unchecked spread of hate speech by IL and his army of followers back then, and various internet jihadists (by division) weren't much better either. So, trying to balance the scales by throwing a little weight onto "our" side just isn't going to work 😉.

I won't even bother commenting on the post above, because it's not worth the digital ink (check my signature).

P.S. I hope I can tackle the questions and theses being thrown out here, regardless of what the actual thread title says, since I’m not really responding to the cardboard cutout of a post?

shadowjackal88 said:That statement came out in Večernji back then; I'm not sure if it's still online, but HRT aired a program on the same topic featuring I. Goldstein and A. Rebić. I can't recall if Tanković was a guest—years take their toll, after all. 😬

As for the rest of your post, Jewish peace initiatives have always existed; it's nothing new. It's just that they usually go unanswered unless they are based on ideas of self-annihilation (we all know who 😉). When Jews arrived in the land that was then part of the Ottoman Empire (the Zionist allies), they came wrapped in coffee, learning Arabic and pushing back against the notion that they were superior whites arriving to "educate" the "lesser" people; quite the opposite, they came to learn things from the Arabs so they could return, in their view, to the original state of the Jewish people. Israel constantly treats sick children from the neighborhood, and it isn't rare for organs from deceased Arabs to save Jews, and vice versa. However, the core issue remains: the refusal to accept Israel as a Jewish state in the Middle East, regardless of which borders are being discussed. That is where all the beautiful wishes shatter. And even you wrote "jew" with a lowercase 😉.

It's a bit sad that after all these years, we are slowly forgetting the context of why a few of us Jewish forum members joined this board (mostly under Politics and Religion). People forget the unchecked spread of hate speech by IL and his army of followers back then, and various internet jihadists (by division) weren't much better either. So, trying to balance the scales by throwing a little weight onto "our" side just isn't going to work 😉.

I won't even bother commenting on the post above, because it's not worth the digital ink (check my signature).

P.S. I hope I can tackle the questions and theses being thrown out here, regardless of what the actual thread title says, since I’m not really responding to the cardboard cutout of a post?

Since Večernji reported that Mr. Tanković made the comment (and I believe you that it was in the papers), there might be a link somewhere online where he expresses such views. Honestly, I haven't been able to find a link, but I might ask him directly, as I'm planning a trip to Chicago soon. If he did say it, I’ll tell him plainly that I disagree. The way he phrased it—at least how you presented it—is just too broad. He apparently just said "Jews," without any qualification, like saying "certain extremist circles within the Jewish community" or "within American politics," which would have provided some necessary distance. It's certainly not as if 30 million Jews, or however many there are, organized the crimes of 09.11. I could tell him then that I don't agree with such hellish generalizations; even if there is a certain group of American Jews operating in the shadows of US politics, it doesn't mean every single Jew thinks the same way. Quite the opposite, actually. Many Jews are liberals dedicated to global peace and finding solutions, not just for the Middle East crisis. Even a high-ranking Israeli politician was assassinated for trying to find a solution, wasn't he? Much like Sadat was killed on the other side (back in the early nineties, if I remember correctly).

Specifically, I suspect Mr. Tanković doesn't actually hold these views regularly. Even if it was printed once, he isn't known for making such statements elsewhere. So, I wouldn't take that newspaper report too seriously unless it's clearly proven. Do you agree? 🙂

shadowjackal88 said:That statement came out in Večernji back then; I'm not sure if it's still online, but HRT aired a program on the same topic featuring I. Goldstein and A. Rebić. I can't recall if Tanković was a guest—years take their toll, after all. 😬

As for the rest of your post, Jewish peace initiatives have always existed; it's nothing new. It's just that they usually go unanswered unless they are based on ideas of self-annihilation (we all know who 😉). When Jews arrived in the land that was then part of the Ottoman Empire (the Zionist allies), they came wrapped in coffee, learning Arabic and pushing back against the notion that they were superior whites arriving to "educate" the "lesser" people; quite the opposite, they came to learn things from the Arabs so they could return, in their view, to the original state of the Jewish people. Israel constantly treats sick children from the neighborhood, and it isn't rare for organs from deceased Arabs to save Jews, and vice versa. However, the core issue remains: the refusal to accept Israel as a Jewish state in the Middle East, regardless of which borders are being discussed. That is where all the beautiful wishes shatter. And even you wrote "jew" with a lowercase 😉.

It's a bit sad that after all these years, we are slowly forgetting the context of why a few of us Jewish forum members joined this board (mostly under Politics and Religion). People forget the unchecked spread of hate speech by IL and his army of followers back then, and various internet jihadists (by division) weren't much better either. So, trying to balance the scales by throwing a little weight onto "our" side just isn't going to work 😉.

I won't even bother commenting on the post above, because it's not worth the digital ink (check my signature).

P.S. I hope I can tackle the questions and theses being thrown out here, regardless of what the actual thread title says, since I’m not really responding to the cardboard cutout of a post?

I apologize if that was written in the wrong context; sometimes "jew" is written with a lowercase 'j,' just as "muslim" might be with a lowercase 'm,' whereas "Jew" is capitalized when referring to the nationality—much like how "Arab" is capitalized.

I suppose there isn't such a clear peace offering coming from the Muslim side, perhaps due to frustration, political instability, or the undemocratic nature of most Muslim countries (since tyrants rule nearly all of them), or maybe something in Israeli politics that feels like arrogance, which undoubtedly just adds fuel to the fire. Perhaps the answer lies in history, specifically in how the State of Israel was established and recognized. From the perspective of most Muslim ideologues and politicians, that process was one-sided—meaning only one side's interests were considered. But that’s a massive topic, and getting into it here would be off-topic, so I won't linger on it. I'll just say this: both sides need to reach a mature realization regarding the necessity of peace and a resolution. Violence isn't a way for people to understand one another. Take, for instance, the recent attack on the Turkish humanitarian vessel which resulted in deaths. In my view, it was entirely pointless, given that Turkey and Israel actually maintain good cooperation in many areas, even military ones. As I mentioned, it is necessary for Arabs and Palestinians to build strong ties with Jews, to get to know one another, and to speak openly and honestly through mutual respect. Only great people can achieve that. Arrogance and violence aren't solutions. Of course, it's easy to talk about this on a forum, while a thousand problems exist on the ground. However, people must always strive for a better solution. That is, after all, what makes us human.

shadowjackal88 said:That statement came out in Večernji back then; I'm not sure if it's still online, but HRT aired a program on the same topic featuring I. Goldstein and A. Rebić. I can't recall if Tanković was a guest—years take their toll, after all. 😬

As for the rest of your post, Jewish peace initiatives have always existed; it's nothing new. It's just that they usually go unanswered unless they are based on ideas of self-annihilation (we all know who 😉). When Jews arrived in the land that was then part of the Ottoman Empire (the Zionist allies), they came wrapped in coffee, learning Arabic and pushing back against the notion that they were superior whites arriving to "educate" the "lesser" people; quite the opposite, they came to learn things from the Arabs so they could return, in their view, to the original state of the Jewish people. Israel constantly treats sick children from the neighborhood, and it isn't rare for organs from deceased Arabs to save Jews, and vice versa. However, the core issue remains: the refusal to accept Israel as a Jewish state in the Middle East, regardless of which borders are being discussed. That is where all the beautiful wishes shatter. And even you wrote "jew" with a lowercase 😉.

It's a bit sad that after all these years, we are slowly forgetting the context of why a few of us Jewish forum members joined this board (mostly under Politics and Religion). People forget the unchecked spread of hate speech by IL and his army of followers back then, and various internet jihadists (by division) weren't much better either. So, trying to balance the scales by throwing a little weight onto "our" side just isn't going to work 😉.

I won't even bother commenting on the post above, because it's not worth the digital ink (check my signature).

P.S. I hope I can tackle the questions and theses being thrown out here, regardless of what the actual thread title says, since I’m not really responding to the cardboard cutout of a post?

I used to condemn IL's stances quite frequently, and I don't recall ever agreeing with him on anything. Regarding the "division," I rarely post in politics, so I don't know our local "jihadists" as you call them, but I still appeal for the other side to be understood. Especially since the breakup of America, tons of books from various Muslim countries have flooded our region, and they are full of hatred toward Jews; it's possible these people are simply indoctrinated. I think the best alternative is to provide them with a dignified response—winning them over with arguments, without arrogance or provocation. That way, even he might change once he sees someone on the other side who truly wants an agreement. Shalom.

P.S. regarding that report above, honestly, I was the one who reported you (though maybe someone else did too), but it wasn't out of hate; it was because telling someone they are intellectually deficient was simply incorrect. It was, purely, for your own sake! I hope you understand. 🙂

Look, it doesn't necessarily have to be some exclusive Jewish conspiracy or anything like that, but you can bet your life it’s absolutely a plot cooked up by the heavy hitters on Wall Street and the upper echelons of American diplomacy. Now, whether the fact that Jews hold such dominant positions in those specific sectors is just a coincidence or not is something I won't get bogged down in dissecting right now.
But honestly, if someone can't see that this whole "war on terror" thing is basically a manufactured excuse—just a convenient pretext to establish global terror, occupy foreign nations, and grab an edge in squeezing out oil reserves—then they seriously need to check their brain, because they're clearly just a victim of massive brainwashing. And frankly, the most hypocritical part about the opening post is bringing up American civilian casualties. First off, how many civilian lives have been lost in the Islamic world across the Middle East? Then, how many American soldiers have we lost? And most importantly, what kind of toll has the entire American society paid, both financially and in terms of losing fundamental freedoms, due to decades of imperialistic, occupation-style warfare driven by international finance??
And come on people, what kind of idiot actually believes a division of 25,000 Taliban fighters could hide out in the hills from modern technology? This isn't the era of the Nationalists and the Partisans anymore...
The war on terror is nothing more than a plain old excuse to push through terror, globalism, military occupation, the stripping away of basic human rights, and the massive enrichment of a tiny elite—whether we're talking about banking giants, media moguls, oil consortiums, or the military-industrial complex....