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Is it Thalassemia or something else?

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Hannah Price3 Hannah Price3 MemberOP
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#1 ·
I’ve been digging around online, and honestly, most of what I'm finding is just dry, clinical filler. Does anyone actually have some real insight into this? I keep seeing it referred to as Mediterranean anemia as well.

I read somewhere that it's pretty common here in the States, but I can't recall ever hearing a single person mention having it, so now I'm wondering what the actual reality is.
Casey Palmer5 Casey Palmer5 Regular
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#2 ·
I've always found the link between Thalassemia Major and malaria absolutely fascinating. Basically, in regions where malaria is a constant threat, being a carrier of those genes actually provides a layer of protection... it’s pretty much the same deal with sickle cell anemia and the absence of the Duffy antigen.

At the end of the day, it’s all just natural selection at work.
driftinggull13 driftinggull13 Active Member
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#3 ·
So, we're talking about what people call Cooly anemia, or beta-Thalassemia Major... it's pretty common in places like the Mediterranean, the Middle East, and Southeast Asia. It's easily the most severe form of thalassemia out there. Basically, it’s this genetic issue where the amino acid sequence in the beta globin chain gets messed up—you know, how human hemoglobin is supposed to have two alpha and two beta globin chains? Because of that glitch, the iron's affinity for oxygen drops way down, which ends up creating these totally deformed red blood cells. There isn't a cure, unfortunately, so patients are stuck with regular blood transfusions just to stay afloat, plus they have to deal with chelation therapy to clear out all the extra iron that builds up from those constant transfusions. A bone marrow transplant is an option too, but man, that kind of treatment is obscenely expensive...

I'm not entirely sure if this specific link to malaria is meant to apply to the Mediterranean type of thalassemia😕
Casey Palmer5 Casey Palmer5 Regular
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#4 ·
Here’s a map showing the affected areas:

http://www.abanet.it/fondazioneberloni/ing/talassem.htm
Casey Palmer5 Casey Palmer5 Regular
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#5 ·
Back in the day, certain parts of Greece and Italy used to be major malaria hotspots.

By the way, if you look at the literal translation of thalassemia, it actually means "more in the blood." It’s also commonly known as Mediterranean anemia.
Hannah Price3 Hannah Price3 MemberOP
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#6 ·
driftinggull13, what you’re describing sounds like the most severe version of this. Do you happen to know much about the different types? I’ve been reading about alpha versus beta, and how someone might just be a carrier for a modified gene...

Regarding malaria protection, I'm pretty sure I read on an American medical site that it applies to the most severe form, but I wonder if that holds true for the other versions—like, say, for someone who is just a carrier.

To be honest, I’m mostly interested in real-world experiences. I read that this condition is fairly common here in the States, yet I’ve never actually heard of anyone getting tested, which strikes me as odd. If a child inherits both modified genes, they end up with the most extreme form of the disease, and usually, they don't make it past their first few months. (I might not be explaining the whole genetic side of things perfectly, so consider this a disclaimer 😉).
Kenneth Hernandez67 Kenneth Hernandez67 Regular
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#7 ·
Hannah Price3 said:I read that this disease is pretty common here, but I’ve never actually heard of anyone getting tested. That surprises me because if a child inherits both mutated genes, they end up with the most severe form of the disease, which usually leads to death in the first few months of life (I’m not entirely sure I'm explaining the genetic part correctly, so consider this a disclaimer 😉).

I haven't heard anything about this being common in America, frankly.

There is Alpha thalassemia, where symptoms range from very mild to extremely severe.

Then there is Beta thalassemia minor and major.

Beta thalassemia major is that worst-case scenario mentioned above.

Beta thalassemia minor rarely causes significant symptoms, so it often goes completely undetected.

If one of those "healthy" carriers happens to have children with another carrier, they will almost certainly have a sick child... most likely.

And only then does someone finally perform a serious medical evaluation.
Hannah Price3 Hannah Price3 MemberOP
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#8 ·
Kenneth Hernandez67, so you're saying beta minor is the one that, when both parents carry it, triggers Beta Major?

What’s the actual distinction between the alpha and beta forms then? And how does the inheritance pattern work if we're dealing with one of those alpha types?
driftinggull13 driftinggull13 Active Member
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#9 ·
"So what's actually the difference between alpha and beta types?"

Look, man, when we talk about alpha versus beta, all we’re really talking about is which specific chain—the alpha chain or the beta chain—is where the mutation actually happened. Human hemoglobin is basically made up of two beta chains and two alpha chains, and they're laid out just like squares on a chessboard, sitting right opposite one another... You see, the beta chain is a constant; it shows up in all types of hemoglobin, whereas instead of an alpha chain, you might find something like a gamma chain—that's what makes up fetal hemoglobin, which uses two beta and two gamma chains. There are other variations out there too, but since the beta chain is so conserved and present in everything, that's usually where the mutations tend to cause the most trouble. Every single hemoglobin chain has this porphyrin ring with iron tucked inside that grabs onto oxygen and lets it go... But when you have mutated hemoglobin, the whole tertiary structure of that peptide chain gets messed up, which can mess with how much the iron actually wants to bind to oxygen. It might block oxygen from getting in there entirely, or maybe it shifts the porphyrin ring just enough that the iron becomes way harder to access
or something like that...
If that mutation hits one of those critical spots—like it does in Thalassemia Major—you're looking at a really severe disease. That's why the severity fluctuates so much from person to person, because every single mutation plays by its own set of rules...
Hannah Price3 Hannah Price3 MemberOP
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#10 ·
ahaaa, driftinggull13 👍

Look, like I said before, everything I read online felt way too clinical and dry. It lacked any actual substance. So, I decided to break it down myself just to make sense of it: think of "alpha" as the carrier stage—you're holding the trait, but you aren't necessarily hitting a wall with symptoms. Then there's "beta," which would be the more severe cases. Silly me, right?

Look, if you really want to dive deep into the actual mechanics of how these mutated genes get passed down, I’m more than happy to help. Just give me the green light. I can break down the inheritance patterns for both Alpha and Beta, please. 🙂

And afterward, I’ll just bury you under a whole new pile of nonsense—just so you don't say I didn't warn you. 😉).
driftinggull13 driftinggull13 Active Member
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#11 ·
Look, I’m a little out of the loop when it comes to all those inheritance patterns for diseases like this—I haven't really touched this stuff since my college days—but if nobody else who actually knows their way around this science decides to weigh in (like maybe Casey Palmer5 😉), then I guess I'll just have to roll up my sleeves and try to figure it out myself...
Kenneth Hernandez67 Kenneth Hernandez67 Regular
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#12 ·
Thalassemia Major, much like sickle cell anemia, follows Mendel's laws of inheritance.

To break it down: if both parents are healthy carriers, there is a 25% chance the child will be born with the disease, a 50% chance they will be a healthy carrier, and a 25% chance they will be completely unaffected.

If one parent is a healthy carrier and the other is completely unaffected, there is a 50% chance the child will be fully healthy and a 50% chance they will be a carrier.

When an individual with Thalassemia Major and a person with no genetic trace have a child, that child will be a healthy carrier 100% of the time.

In a pairing between someone with Thalassemia Major and a healthy carrier, there is a 50% chance the child will be born sick and a 50% chance they will be a healthy carrier.

Finally, if two individuals with Thalassemia Major have a child, that child will inevitably be born with the disease.
Kenneth Hernandez67 Kenneth Hernandez67 Regular
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#13 ·
Inheritance patterns involving both Thalassemia Major and sickle cell disease are actually quite straightforward 😉
Casey Palmer5 Casey Palmer5 Regular
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#14 ·
Having classes running from 8 AM to 6 PM every single day definitely puts a bit of a limit on how much I can post here😢
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Sandra Price58 Sandra Price58 Newcomer
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#15 ·
Hey there. My future husband is a healthy carrier of thalassemia major, and I’ve reached out to my doctor to see if I might be a carrier as well. I'm still waiting to hear back from her—she wasn't quite sure if I need to schedule specific follow-up testing here in the States, or if this would just pop up immediately on a standard blood panel.
Does anyone here have any insight on this? As you can probably imagine, getting some clarity is incredibly important to me.
I realize most of the posts in this thread are pretty old, but honestly, even a little bit of information would go a long way in helping me out.

Thanks so much.🙂

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